The Manhood Trap

[thebeave]

This whole penis scooping thing is old news. In case anyone is interested, Wikipedia has some articles on this. I would quote the relevent sections, but I get a lot of gobbledygook mixed in with it from the references (is there a way to abate this?). Check out the section called "Evolutionary Consequences".

Sperm competition

 

[RVonse]

Why in the hell should anyone advocate “decreasing female empowerment”??? And why should anyone who wants that not be held in contempt?

Female empowerment is great and without looking at any cost I have no problem with this on its own at all. No doubt if humans survive as a species, progressive female empowerment will evolve on its own and work out just fine. But make no mistake that there is and will be a cost to society in the short term.

The incel problem caused by female empowerment isn't just going to magically go away on its own by giving them some clean shirts to go on dates. Not in the short term. Sooner or later incels are going to cause some serious trouble. If history is any guide our leaders will probably just start another huge big and violent war to get rid of them. But with the modern weapons of today lets just hope we survive.

So if you like female empowerment and don't mind the tinderbox of violence surely to come... then I don't see any problem at all!

 

[scombrid]

Look what you made us do you silly entitled bitches!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why in the hell should anyone advocate “decreasing female empowerment”??? And why should anyone who wants that not be held in contempt?

Female empowerment is great and without looking at any cost I have no problem with this on its own at all. No doubt if humans survive as a species, progressive female empowerment will evolve on its own and work out just fine. But make no mistake that there is and will be a cost to society in the short term.

The incel problem caused by female empowerment isn't just going to magically go away on its own by giving them some clean shirts to go on dates. Not in the short term. Sooner or later incels are going to cause some serious trouble. If history is any guide our leaders will probably just start another huge big and violent war to get rid of them. But with the modern weapons of today lets just hope we survive.

So if you like female empowerment and don't mind the tinderbox of violence surely to come... then I don't see any problem at all!

This is brilliant Charlie Kirk speak.

I love idea of female empowerment...

...as long as we don't consider the consequences...

...it'll be the end of us all.

 

[scombrid]

I reckon those of us that have a lot of sex with an empowered women are to blame too? Granted there’s trade offs. I don’t come home and flop on the couch while Edith gets me a beer. Nope, I scoop the cat box, cook supper, excercise our many dogs, do all the grocery food shopping etc… She does wash and fold all the laundry and handles keeping cleaning supplies and such stocked up. She cleans the toilets, shower, and mops floors. She also yells at me for making messes in the kitchen after she’s cleaned in there, though she eagerly eats what I cook. In other words, we share.

We don’t live in a time when the man is doing back breaking work all day and the women is laboring all day to keep house. That time passed with modern machines and technology. So some division of relationship labor is still necessary but it has changed. If both people work outside the home then they should share in home tasks. If you can’t handle that then you need to assess yourself. These guys that want to watch TV and play video games while wife takes care of them, that think they’re entitled to it, need a serious dose of reality.

 

[Swammerdami]

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Why in the hell should anyone advocate “decreasing female empowerment”??? And why should anyone who wants that not be held in contempt?

Female empowerment is great and without looking at any cost I have no problem with this on its own at all. No doubt if humans survive as a species, progressive female empowerment will evolve on its own and work out just fine. But make no mistake that there is and will be a cost to society in the short term.

The incel problem caused by female empowerment isn't just going to magically go away on its own by giving them some clean shirts to go on dates. Not in the short term. Sooner or later incels are going to cause some serious trouble. If history is any guide our leaders will probably just start another huge big and violent war to get rid of them. But with the modern weapons of today lets just hope we survive.

So if you like female empowerment and don't mind the tinderbox of violence surely to come... then I don't see any problem at all!

A "huge big and violent war" is forecast due to "[t]he incel problem caused by female empowerment"? Will someone explain this to me?
Women have suffered rape and abuse at the hands of men for centuries; will this problem get worse now that they're empowered?

I see a variety of problems any one of which may lead us along a path toward a violent dystopia. Can anyone eplain why female empowerment is a particular threat?

I read that some men have developed love relationships with dolls. Perhaps soon high-performance full-featured robots with AI brains will become adept at serving male sexual needs. Then will it be human women who complain about involuntary celibacy?

 

[pood]

Why in the hell should anyone advocate “decreasing female empowerment”??? And why should anyone who wants that not be held in contempt?

Female empowerment is great and without looking at any cost I have no problem with this on its own at all. No doubt if humans survive as a species, progressive female empowerment will evolve on its own and work out just fine. But make no mistake that there is and will be a cost to society in the short term.

The incel problem caused by female empowerment isn't just going to magically go away on its own by giving them some clean shirts to go on dates. Not in the short term. Sooner or later incels are going to cause some serious trouble. If history is any guide our leaders will probably just start another huge big and violent war to get rid of them. But with the modern weapons of today lets just hope we survive.

So if you like female empowerment and don't mind the tinderbox of violence surely to come... then I don't see any problem at all!

As I noted earlier, the idea that the incel problem is caused by female empowerment has gone unsupported. A great many incels (not all) are incels not because of female empowerment, but because women find them repulsive. That wouldn’t change if women were somehow disempowered.

But it’s beyond ludicrous that you suggest that society should somehow disempower women in order to avoid — what? — an armed uprising of incels demanding sex?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

I see on the 'Net that some women -- Democratic women? -- require their lovers to wear locked "chastity cages" when allowed out into the wild. Is this really a thing?

Probably for the .1% of terminally online women who are as terminally online as the incels. Regardless, they too need therapy.

 

[pood]

“We want sex! We want sex! We want sex!”

 

[GenesisNemesis]

“We want sex! We want sex! We want sex!”

I mean, I do want sex, but I have other things to focus on.

 

[laughing dog]

I've given the same simple advice, "Clean shirt, clean nails, smell good, and smile", for many years, but have yet to see the recipient actually try it.

The problem is this is the low hanging fruit, you act as if it is a general solution.

Of course it is a general solution. There are no universal solutions to interpersonal relationships.

 

[Elixir]

The incel problem caused by female empowerment

You talking about the female empowerment problem caused by incels?

 

[Bronzeage]

Why in the hell should anyone advocate “decreasing female empowerment”??? And why should anyone who wants that not be held in contempt?

Female empowerment is great and without looking at any cost I have no problem with this on its own at all. No doubt if humans survive as a species, progressive female empowerment will evolve on its own and work out just fine. But make no mistake that there is and will be a cost to society in the short term.

The incel problem caused by female empowerment isn't just going to magically go away on its own by giving them some clean shirts to go on dates. Not in the short term. Sooner or later incels are going to cause some serious trouble. If history is any guide our leaders will probably just start another huge big and violent war to get rid of them. But with the modern weapons of today lets just hope we survive.

So if you like female empowerment and don't mind the tinderbox of violence surely to come... then I don't see any problem at all!

I could give you a clean shirt, but that wouldn't really be helping you, would it. You have to want to wear a clean shirt. In the end, it's not really about clean shirts.

I'm not worried about the violence in the system. Incels are not going to cause any trouble, serious or otherwise. The incel's (if one accepts the idea that this category exists outside self identification) biggest problem is their susceptibility to manipulation. They've already let someone convince them that society granted to much power to females.

It's too easy for a sexsat(sexually satisfied) to channel the incel's anger away from women and toward immigrants, Jews, etc, and they end up carrying tiki torches at fascist rally's.

Before the incel army arises and puts a spark to the tinderbox of violence surely to come, they might want to consider they will be fighting men who honed their violence skills fighting other men, not imaginary uberbitches.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It’s the attitudes I’m protesting. Plus the absolute ignorance of anatomy, sexuality, and reproduction.

And I doubt that our human ancestors engaged in gang bangs routinely. Humans do not go into heat, so as a strategy of ensuring your sperm wins, it would really suck.

Personally I think some men like the idea of gang bangs and like the idea that they can control their sperm without the inconvenience of wearing a condom. Evolution be damned.

You're not making any sense. Where are we talking about any control of our sperm? How does this in any way relevant to condoms? I am simply going where the evidence points and inferring from that at some point in our evolutionary past sperm competition was a realistic factor.

 

[Bronzeage]

I'd managed to avoid this thread until just now. The thread was up to page 19 but -- astounded by what I was reading -- I clicked on the quote tree, through a discussion that penis geometry was fashioned by evolution to scrape out other men's sperm (!!!), and -- although I suppose the quote tree eventually goes all the way to page 1 -- stopped at this post on page 12.

The first I see on the list for men is to know whether or not their offspring is really their own. For evolutionary reasons men don't want to support someone else's kid. Especially someone else's kid who was conceived in stealth with their marital wife. Before contraception and genetic testing all you had in society was to enforce women to behave in strict moral code so most men could actually have offspring and those married would know the kids were actually his kids. Because of liberal courts we don't have that certainty anymore and supposedly the democrats will tell you it "does not matter" anyway. While it really does matter to the average male in a serious grave way....

Thanks to women and trans rights it is very difficult for the average male to create any sort of legacy today....

So the downtrodden male gender's present-day miseries are caused by Women, Liberal courts, Democrats and Trans rights. I might have known.

I see on the 'Net that some women -- Democratic women? -- require their lovers to wear locked "chastity cages" when allowed out into the wild. Is this really a thing?

Of course. When an empowered woman finds an attractive man, she always fears a more empowered woman will take him away from her. Without the key, he's of no use to her.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You seem to think the problem for incels is that women with too much “power” have no incentive to mate with them, or perhaps with anyone at all.

He's trying to reduce the competition--but that doesn't change the resource pool, just redistributes it. Still competing against the other men, just in a somewhat different fashion.

But the real problem for incels is not that women have too much power. It is that women find them repulsive. That’s not going to change if women are disempowered.

Of course not all incels are repulsive. Some just have bad luck, and can’t meet the right person at the right time. But life is tough.

Many appear to be on the autism spectrum. Messes you up in social interactions in general, of course it messes you up in the hardest of the social interactions. Doesn't make them repulsive. Once they get radicalized, though, they become very repulsive. And the failure to find someone can easily lead to depression which would make them unattractive even without radicalization. I think much of what is pointed out about being unattractive is actually the result of depression, not the root cause. They fail in real world social interactions, they retreat into a domain where ability counts for more than social skills.

But maybe in a small number of cases these disempowered woman would find that it makes economic sense to partner with a person whom they otherwise would not. How is that anything other than — gussied up prostitution? Or, really, slavery?

Free choice, it's prostitution. No choice, it's slavery.

 

[Toni]

You aren't proposing any solution unless you think sexual slavery is a good thing.

IMHO, female empowerment could be reduced without making them sexual slaves.

Would you call decreasing female empowerment to the extent it at least makes economic sense for them to partner with a male person sexual slavery? Would you call increasing the female incentive for the biological father of her offspring to help raise their children sexual slavery?

Both of those solutions decrease female empowerment without making them into sexual slaves IMO.

So those are atleast 2 solutions I would not call sexual slavery. Perhaps you still disagree. But if you do still disagree that begs the question why you would not call everyone who labors at a job a slave? Most everyone in the world is incentivized to do things we would not otherwise do just for our survival.

If you are compelling them to partner up to function that's sexual slavery.

A job is not slavery because it's a benefit, not a cost.

Compelled unpaid labor is slavery.

 

[Toni]

Why in the hell should anyone advocate “decreasing female empowerment”??? And why should anyone who wants that not be held in contempt?

Female empowerment is great and without looking at any cost I have no problem with this on its own at all. No doubt if humans survive as a species, progressive female empowerment will evolve on its own and work out just fine. But make no mistake that there is and will be a cost to society in the short term.

The incel problem caused by female empowerment isn't just going to magically go away on its own by giving them some clean shirts to go on dates. Not in the short term. Sooner or later incels are going to cause some serious trouble. If history is any guide our leaders will probably just start another huge big and violent war to get rid of them. But with the modern weapons of today lets just hope we survive.

So if you like female empowerment and don't mind the tinderbox of violence surely to come... then I don't see any problem at all!

The ‘incel’ problem is only caused by women or women’s empowerment. It’s ‘caused’ by males who believe they are entitled to have sex at will with women under 30 (max), size 2 ( max) double D bra size ( min), all from the comfort of their basement, preferably without having to pause whatever video game they are playing or showering or brushing their teeth.

 

[Toni]

I'd managed to avoid this thread until just now. The thread was up to page 19 but -- astounded by what I was reading -- I clicked on the quote tree, through a discussion that penis geometry was fashioned by evolution to scrape out other men's sperm (!!!), and -- although I suppose the quote tree eventually goes all the way to page 1 -- stopped at this post on page 12.

The first I see on the list for men is to know whether or not their offspring is really their own. For evolutionary reasons men don't want to support someone else's kid. Especially someone else's kid who was conceived in stealth with their marital wife. Before contraception and genetic testing all you had in society was to enforce women to behave in strict moral code so most men could actually have offspring and those married would know the kids were actually his kids. Because of liberal courts we don't have that certainty anymore and supposedly the democrats will tell you it "does not matter" anyway. While it really does matter to the average male in a serious grave way....

Thanks to women and trans rights it is very difficult for the average male to create any sort of legacy today....

So the downtrodden male gender's present-day miseries are caused by Women, Liberal courts, Democrats and Trans rights. I might have known.

I see on the 'Net that some women -- Democratic women? -- require their lovers to wear locked "chastity cages" when allowed out into the wild. Is this really a thing?

It’s a thing in that it’s a fear/fantasy imagined and promoted for power and profit by someone sitting behind a keyboard, likely surrounded by other doing something similar.

 

[Toni]

Simulating a sexual encounter in vitro, we found that phalluses with a glans/coronal ridge configuration that approximated a human penis resulted in appreciable displacement of simulated semen. Depth of thrusting was also an important parameter, with significant displacement occurring only when the penis was inserted 75% or more of the way into the vagina, forcing the semen under the frenulum and causing it to flow back around the shaft and collect behind the coronal ridge (see Fig. 2).

That's certainly far more I learnt about this particuar topic than I ever wished to know.

Are there a lot more gang bangs going on than I’m aware of? Cause I gotta tell you, gravity works as well with a lot less discomfort.

There is AFIAK no way to establish for sure what's going on. It's just it is a design optimized for sperm scraping, there's probably a reason. It also could be a legacy thing, evolved in some now extinct precursor species. We don't see what their penises looked like so we can't pin it down.

Actually, it’s probably designed to promote female pleasure, which, btw, increases the chance that any given woman would want to have sex with you, which btw, likely increases the opportunity for sex which, btw, increases the likelihood that you will engender a child.