The Manhood Trap

[Toni]

The problem here is that to some degree they are an amorphous commodity. The reality is there are more men than women. Fewer are getting killed off in various ways, increasing the imbalance. It's a pigeonhole problem--more pigeons than holes, some will be left over. The standard reaction to pigeonhole problems is to tell people to better themselves--that can change which ones don't fit but it can't fix the fundamental issue that some won't fit. Dating, jobs, whatever, the bar is always going to end up rising to the point that some don't make it.

We see the same thing the other way around with the elderly, there's not enough men to go around. There at least we have the sense to not pretend they can solve it by bettering themselves.

I do not have a fix and I suspect there is no fix, but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem. Dismissing it just turns the ones that fail against society and provides an easy target for radicalization.

In The US, there are more adult females than adult males.

Demographics!

There are more young males than young females. There are more old females than old males. Both groups have problems. And, yes, that suggests a solution of men dating women that are older than they are--but society tends to look down on this, and the older women don't want the younger men.

There are more male babies born than female babies. That slight advantage in numbers diminishes with age and reverses by 40.

You wanna start telling women that they are old at 40?

 

[TSwizzle]

You wanna start telling women that they are old at 40?

I believe Don Lemon made that mistake not too long ago.

 

[thebeave]

You wanna start telling women that they are old at 40?

I believe Don Lemon made that mistake not too long ago.

Yep. Specifically, they are past their prime. He got canned for saying it. He is such a dope.

 

[TSwizzle]

You wanna start telling women that they are old at 40?

I believe Don Lemon made that mistake not too long ago.

Yep. Specifically, they are past their prime. He got canned for saying it. He is such a dope.

Oh, I didn’t know he got canned for that, seems harsh.

 

[RVonse]

There are more male babies born than female babies. That slight advantage in numbers diminishes with age and reverses by 40.

You wanna start telling women that they are old at 40?

You are correct during good times we enjoy today when everyone is getting properly fed. But when times are bad the ratio reverses even at the young ages:

Does famine influence sex ratio at birth? Evidence from the 1959–1961 Great Leap Forward Famine in China - PMC

The current study examined the long-term trend in sex ratio at birth between 1929 and 1982 using retrospective birth histories of 310 101 Chinese women collected in a large, nationally representative sample survey in 1982. The study identified an ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The study identified an abrupt decline in sex ratio at birth between April 1960, over a year after the Great Leap Forward Famine began, and October 1963, approximately 2 years after the famine ended, followed by a compensatory rise between October 1963 and July 1965. These findings support the adaptive sex ratio adjustment hypothesis that mothers in good condition are more likely to give birth to sons, whereas mothers in poor condition are more likely to give birth to daughters.

 

[Toni]

There are more male babies born than female babies. That slight advantage in numbers diminishes with age and reverses by 40.

You wanna start telling women that they are old at 40?

You are correct during good times we enjoy today when everyone is getting properly fed. But when times are bad the ratio reverses even at the young ages:

Does famine influence sex ratio at birth? Evidence from the 1959–1961 Great Leap Forward Famine in China - PMC

The current study examined the long-term trend in sex ratio at birth between 1929 and 1982 using retrospective birth histories of 310 101 Chinese women collected in a large, nationally representative sample survey in 1982. The study identified an ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The study identified an abrupt decline in sex ratio at birth between April 1960, over a year after the Great Leap Forward Famine began, and October 1963, approximately 2 years after the famine ended, followed by a compensatory rise between October 1963 and July 1965. These findings support the adaptive sex ratio adjustment hypothesis that mothers in good condition are more likely to give birth to sons, whereas mothers in poor condition are more likely to give birth to daughters.

So, except for famines, more make babies are born. But more make babies die early compared with women. In the US, more women are dying as a result of pregnancy and childbirth, which skews the m-f ratio, just as war time reduces the population of young men (and everybody else but primarily young males.)

Another hypothesis is that more make babies being born portends war.

 

[Emily Lake]

Still waiting for @RVonse to explain this disempowering the wimmins thing, and how it would help incels get laid.

I am still waiting for a reason why anyone other than themselves should care a whit whether or not incels get laid.

Because it becomes a problem for society.

Fine. Let them fuck each other. Women aren't communal property, to be passed around for men's enjoyment and sexual gratification.

 

[Emily Lake]

I've given the same simple advice, "Clean shirt, clean nails, smell good, and smile", for many years, but have yet to see the recipient actually try it.

The problem is this is the low hanging fruit, you act as if it is a general solution.

Meh, it's like 80% of the solution.

As with so many such "solutions" it's going to help the easy cases that probably would have been solved at some point anyway, while doing nothing about the hard cases.

Women don't owe affection to men that they don't find attractive. You get that, don't you?

 

[Emily Lake]

If you are a male, and are attractive to a tiny fraction - say 0.1% of women - that means there are hundred of thousands or millions of women you could attract (pro tip: try one at a time!)

Yeah, all of this. The problem these idiots have is self-inflicted, and maiy arises from their seeing women as an amorphous commodity, rather than as individual humans with wants, needs, desires, and thoughts all of their own.

Look around - there are observably at least some women out there who will tolerate men that have no apparently redeeming features whatsoever.

The problem here is that to some degree they are an amorphous commodity.

Respectfully, Loren, fuck you sideways.

Women are NOT commodities. WTF is wrong with you?

 

[Emily Lake]

There are more young males than young females. There are more old females than old males. Both groups have problems. And, yes, that suggests a solution of men dating women that are older than they are--but society tends to look down on this, and the older women don't want the younger men.

 

[starwater]

If you are a male, and are attractive to a tiny fraction - say 0.1% of women - that means there are hundred of thousands or millions of women you could attract (pro tip: try one at a time!)

Yeah, all of this. The problem these idiots have is self-inflicted, and maiy arises from their seeing women as an amorphous commodity, rather than as individual humans with wants, needs, desires, and thoughts all of their own.

Look around - there are observably at least some women out there who will tolerate men that have no apparently redeeming features whatsoever.

The problem here is that to some degree they are an amorphous commodity.

Respectfully, Loren, fuck you sideways.

Women are NOT commodities. WTF is wrong with you?

Women are not objects either. Women are human beings just like you. We have intellect, thoughts, feelings, and desires.

If you want an object - get a sex doll.

 

[Elixir]

Women are not objects either. Women are human beings just like you. We have intellect, thoughts, feelings, and desires.

Wow, they're almost like MEN!
<<< running away>>>

Seriously, there are deep and serious differences in men and women, but only on average. It generally emerges over the duration of reproductive age that man are focused on sex, and STAY focused on sex, while women who may have been focused on sex at some earlier point, become increasingly focused on reproduction and/or caring for offspring.
Yes, men care about their offspring but don't care FOR them so much as women do.
And yes. women of reproductive age are still interested in sex. It's all a matter of degrees.

 

[Toni]

Women are not objects either. Women are human beings just like you. We have intellect, thoughts, feelings, and desires.

Wow, they're almost like MEN!
<<< running away>>>

Seriously, there are deep and serious differences in men and women, but only on average. It generally emerges over the duration of reproductive age that man are focused on sex, and STAY focused on sex, while women who may have been focused on sex at some earlier point, become increasingly focused on reproduction and/or caring for offspring.
Yes, men care about their offspring but don't care FOR them so much as women do.
And yes. women of reproductive age are still interested in sex. It's all a matter of degrees.

Women who are beyond reproductive age are still interested in sex, as well. Of course, not all women nor, for that matter, not all men.

 

[Elixir]

Women who are beyond reproductive age are still interested in sex, as well. Of course, not all women nor, for that matter, not all men.

Very true. There are also fewer differences at prepubescent ages.

 

[thebeave]

There are more young males than young females. There are more old females than old males. Both groups have problems. And, yes, that suggests a solution of men dating women that are older than they are--but society tends to look down on this, and the older women don't want the younger men.

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I haven't laughed this hard in a long time.

 

[Bronzeage]

Women are not objects either. Women are human beings just like you. We have intellect, thoughts, feelings, and desires.

Wow, they're almost like MEN!
<<< running away>>>

Seriously, there are deep and serious differences in men and women, but only on average. It generally emerges over the duration of reproductive age that man are focused on sex, and STAY focused on sex, while women who may have been focused on sex at some earlier point, become increasingly focused on reproduction and/or caring for offspring.
Yes, men care about their offspring but don't care FOR them so much as women do.
And yes. women of reproductive age are still interested in sex. It's all a matter of degrees.

Women who are beyond reproductive age are still interested in sex, as well. Of course, not all women nor, for that matter, not all men.

After years of research, I can say, a person's interest in sex after any arbitrary age is fully dependent on their interest before that age. Of all the impulses, compulsions, and instinctual responses we are subject to when young, sex is the easiest to let go.

As with anything, the more one enjoys something, the more one is reluctant to lose it.

 

[Politesse]

Ran across this post, and it reminded me of this thread. I'm not sure the logic connects all the way, but it's worth thinking about:



The way we frame the problems we have in life doesn't always accurately reflect the context or cause of those problems.

 

[pood]

If you are a male, and are attractive to a tiny fraction - say 0.1% of women - that means there are hundred of thousands or millions of women you could attract (pro tip: try one at a time!)

Yeah, all of this. The problem these idiots have is self-inflicted, and maiy arises from their seeing women as an amorphous commodity, rather than as individual humans with wants, needs, desires, and thoughts all of their own.

Look around - there are observably at least some women out there who will tolerate men that have no apparently redeeming features whatsoever.

The problem here is that to some degree they are an amorphous commodity.

Like the Gazans, eh? Who lack value evidently according to you as an “amorphous commodity.” Jesus Fuck give me a vomitorium.