The Race For 2024

[Elixir]

Haley faces growing third-party speculation | The Hill

The group No Labels has said it would be open to the possibility of Haley leading its ticket as it scrambles to find a candidate to top its ticket.

Haley, for her part, has brushed off the No Labels speculation, arguing her place is in the Republican Party. She is also coming off her first primary victory after winning the GOP nominating contest in Washington, D.C. on Sunday.

That will be fun - splitting the Republican vote.

If it happens, it will be intentional on her part. That would force me to raise my opinion of her. It would be super smart for her to torpedo trump and go for the gold in ‘28.

 

[lpetrich]

Trump Thanks Supreme Court for Overturning Colorado Ballot Ruling - The New York Times

Highlights of the Supreme Court’s Opinions on Trump’s Ballot Eligibility - The New York Times - "The main opinion was a joint ruling that was not signed by any particular justice. None of the opinions addressed whether Donald J. Trump engaged in insurrection."

Opinion | The Supreme Court Just Erased Part of the Constitution - The New York Times

As of Monday, March 4, 2024, Section 3 of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution is essentially a dead letter, at least as it applies to candidates for federal office. Under the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling that reversed the Colorado Supreme Court’s decision striking Donald Trump from the state’s primary ballot, even insurrectionists who’ve violated their previous oath of office can hold federal office, unless and until Congress passes specific legislation to enforce Section 3.

Was it to be narrow or broad?

A narrow ruling for Trump might have held, for example, that Colorado didn’t provide him with enough due process when it determined that Section 3 applied.

That's the most reasonable objection to that Colorado judge's decision.

Or the court could have held that Trump, as president, was not an “officer of the United States” within the meaning of the section. Such a ruling would have kept Trump on the ballot, but it would also have kept Section 3 viable to block insurrectionists from the House or Senate and from all other federal offices.

Seems like a sleazy lawyer sort of argument.

Then about saying that Trump didn't do a real rebellion. That's overly strict in what it counts as rebellion.

 

[lpetrich]

But instead of any of these options, the court went with arguably the broadest reasoning available: that Section 3 isn’t self-executing, and thus has no force or effect in the absence of congressional action. This argument is rooted in Section 5 of the amendment, which states that “Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

...
But now Section 3 is different from other sections of the amendment. It requires federal legislation to enforce its terms, at least as applied to candidates for federal office. Through inaction alone, Congress can effectively erase part of the 14th Amendment.

It’s extremely difficult to square this ruling with the text of Section 3. The language is clearly mandatory. ,,,

In other words, the Constitution imposes the disability, and only a supermajority of Congress can remove it. ...

As Kagan, Sotomayor and Jackson point out, this approach is also inconsistent with the constitutional approach to other qualifications for the presidency.

Then saying that Congress ought to pass legislation that specifies procedures for deciding on Section 3 disqualification.

 

[lpetrich]

North Dakota Republican Caucus 2024: Live Results - The New York Times

• Donald J. Trump - 1,632 - 84.6% - 29
• Nikki Haley - 273 - 14.1%
• David Stuckenberg - 16 - 0.8%
• Ryan Binkley - 9 - 0.5%

Total reported: 1,930

Today is Super Tuesday. Some 15 states will have primaries on that day - the Democratic and Republican ones don't completely overlap.

 

[Copernicus]

Then saying that Congress ought to pass legislation that specifies procedures for deciding on Section 3 disqualification.

They could write a law that says Presidents that foment riotous takeovers of the Capitol Building are excluded from another run for the office.

 

[Shadowy Man]

But instead of any of these options, the court went with arguably the broadest reasoning available: that Section 3 isn’t self-executing, and thus has no force or effect in the absence of congressional action. This argument is rooted in Section 5 of the amendment, which states that “Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

...
But now Section 3 is different from other sections of the amendment. It requires federal legislation to enforce its terms, at least as applied to candidates for federal office. Through inaction alone, Congress can effectively erase part of the 14th Amendment.

It’s extremely difficult to square this ruling with the text of Section 3. The language is clearly mandatory. ,,,

In other words, the Constitution imposes the disability, and only a supermajority of Congress can remove it. ...

As Kagan, Sotomayor and Jackson point out, this approach is also inconsistent with the constitutional approach to other qualifications for the presidency.

Then saying that Congress ought to pass legislation that specifies procedures for deciding on Section 3 disqualification.

But i still don’t understand the logic because the constitution says that it takes a 2/3 vote of Congress to remove the disqualification, which suggests the disqualification exists prior to any acts of Congress. So does it then make sense that only a simple majority of Congress is needed to apply the disqualification? This is the part of the logic that the liberal justices, who agreed that it shouldn’t be within the States’ powers, had a problem with in the majority opinion.

 

[ZiprHead]

Bad news for Biden as new poll finds him leading Trump

Large majorities say Trump isn't ethical, doesn't care about average Americans, and lacks the temperament to be president.

www.findinggravity.net

Joe Biden leads Donald Trump, 49-45

Biden’s net favorable rating is a couple points better than Trump’s

49 percent of Americans say Biden is ethical while 47 percent say he is not. Only 29 percent say Trump is ethical, while 68 percent say he is not.

A majority of Americans, 51 percent, say Biden “cares about average Americans,” while only 42 percent say the same of Trump; 57 percent say Trump does not care about average Americans.

49 percent say Biden “has the kind of personality and temperament it takes to serve effectively as president,” compared to only 37 percent for Trump; 61 percent say Trump does not.

When asked if Trump’s statement that “if re-elected he would not protect NATO allies who do not meet their NATO spending targets and he would encourage Russia to do whatever they want against those NATO allies,” 71 percent said this was a bad idea; only 18 percent said it was a good idea.

Quinnipiac polls generally lean towards the conservative side so this is interesting.

Then there's this:

So Biden is beating Trump; Biden is viewed more favorably than Trump; 68 percent of Americans say Trump is not ethical; 61 percent say Trump does not have the personality and temperament to serve effectively as president; nearly 60 percent say Trump doesn’t care about average Americans, and Trump’s batshit crazy statement that he would encourage Russia to attack NATO is quite properly seen as batshit crazy by nearly everyone. That’s a pretty terrible poll for Trump!

I bet some of you already know where this is going.

Here’s how POLITICO reported that poll:



And AXIOS:



Ah, yes: A poll in which Biden leads Trump and large majorities of Americans say Trump doesn’t care about regular people, is unethical, lacks the temperament to be a good president, and shouldn’t side with Russia over NATO is bad news for … Joe Biden.

And no, it isn’t just the headlines: Neither POLITICO nor AXIOS mentioned any of the poll findings that were bad for Trump (aside from the fact that he trails Biden in the presidential race — and, incredibly, AXIOS didn’t even mention that.) Nor did the other two news companies5 that had reported on the poll as of this writing.

That’s right: Every news company that has reported on the Quinnipiac poll thought it newsworthy that 67 percent of Americans say Biden is too old to be president and none of them thought it was newsworthy that 68 percent say Trump is unethical, or that 61 percent say Trump lacks the temperament to be president, or that 57 percent say he doesn’t care about regular people, or that by a margin of 71-18 Americans disagree with Trump’s let-Russia-do-whatever-it-wants platform. This despite the fact that the ethics, temperament and caring-about-people findings were included in the Quinnipiac press release that the articles were based on:

2024 Election: Biden Holds On To Slight Lead Over Trump, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Trump Gets Higher Marks On Age, Mental & Physical Fitness; Biden Does Better On Ethics, Empathy & Temperament | Quinnipiac University Poll

"A Biden-Trump split decision on physical and emotional fitness leaves both looking vulnerable. Yes, Trump wins walking away on the age and stamina question, but voters have more confidence in Biden's empathy toward them and his emotional stability to handle the job," said Quinnipiac University...

poll.qu.edu

 

[pood]

Also, according to the right-wing narrative, Donald Trump is really president even though he’s not, and New York City is overrun by crime (it’s not, I live there), and NYC being overrun by crime is because Joe Biden is president even though he’s not. Those wild and crazy right-wingers!

 

[ZiprHead]

Doc: Trump school vaccine plan will spark "public health catastrophe"

"Trump would take millions in federal funds away from all Virginia public schools," former GOP lawmaker warns.

www.salon.com

A former lawmaker raised alarms after former President Donald Trump's vow in Virginia to defund public schools that require vaccines.

Trump, who has repeatedly vowed not to "give one penny to any school that has a vaccine mandate," repeated his call during an appearance in Richmond on Saturday, according to former Rep. Barbara Comstock, R-Va.

"Trump said in Richmond, that he will take all federal funds away from public schools that require vaccines," she tweeted. "Like most states, Virginia requires MMR vaccine, chickenpox vaccine, polio, etc. So Trump would take millions in federal funds away from all Virginia public schools."

Fucking asshole.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

GOP base go all-in with non‐conservative Donald Trump. I suppose this was a thing coming when the GOP selected W over McCain, but it is surreal that they support a guy who at best is a troll, and that is almost exclusively why they support him.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Doc: Trump school vaccine plan will spark "public health catastrophe"

"Trump would take millions in federal funds away from all Virginia public schools," former GOP lawmaker warns.

www.salon.com

A former lawmaker raised alarms after former President Donald Trump's vow in Virginia to defund public schools that require vaccines.

Trump, who has repeatedly vowed not to "give one penny to any school that has a vaccine mandate," repeated his call during an appearance in Richmond on Saturday, according to former Rep. Barbara Comstock, R-Va.

"Trump said in Richmond, that he will take all federal funds away from public schools that require vaccines," she tweeted. "Like most states, Virginia requires MMR vaccine, chickenpox vaccine, polio, etc. So Trump would take millions in federal funds away from all Virginia public schools."

Fucking asshole.

Covid or any vaccine?

 

[Shadowy Man]

Doc: Trump school vaccine plan will spark "public health catastrophe"

"Trump would take millions in federal funds away from all Virginia public schools," former GOP lawmaker warns.

www.salon.com

A former lawmaker raised alarms after former President Donald Trump's vow in Virginia to defund public schools that require vaccines.

Trump, who has repeatedly vowed not to "give one penny to any school that has a vaccine mandate," repeated his call during an appearance in Richmond on Saturday, according to former Rep. Barbara Comstock, R-Va.

"Trump said in Richmond, that he will take all federal funds away from public schools that require vaccines," she tweeted. "Like most states, Virginia requires MMR vaccine, chickenpox vaccine, polio, etc. So Trump would take millions in federal funds away from all Virginia public schools."

Fucking asshole.

Covid or any vaccine?

That’s too nuanced a question.

 

[Derec]

So, Derec, delight us with your rationalization of an obviously bogus photo. We await your explication on tenterhooks.

I did a quick google image search. So sue me. The Seattle occupiers were definitely armed though. So were the ones in Atlanta.

 

[Derec]

Bad news for Biden as new poll finds him leading Trump

Large majorities say Trump isn't ethical, doesn't care about average Americans, and lacks the temperament to be president.

www.findinggravity.net

Joe Biden leads Donald Trump, 49-45

This is indeed good news for Biden, but it is best not to rely to much on individual polls, but to look at the aggregate.
There are a few polls that show Biden ahead (538 hasn't incorporated the Quinnipiac poll yet) but most show Trump ahead.
This is concerning especially since Rs have an electoral college advantage.

 

[Derec]

But i still don’t understand the logic because the constitution says that it takes a 2/3 vote of Congress to remove the disqualification, which suggests the disqualification exists prior to any acts of Congress. So does it then make sense that only a simple majority of Congress is needed to apply the disqualification? This is the part of the logic that the liberal justices, who agreed that it shouldn’t be within the States’ powers, had a problem with in the majority opinion.

As I understand it the removal of disqualification would be on a case-by-case basis but 14.5 enforcement would be general.
Like the Congress has declared Confederacy to be in rebellion at some point, right? That should be enough. Likewise, Congress could have declared 1/6 to be an insurrection.

But then again, take this with a grain of salt, I am not a lawyer.

 

[Politesse]

Conservatives know their core ideas are unpalatable to anyone from this century, and that their chosen presidential candidate is offensive on a fundamental level. Misdirection and distraction are the only strategies they have. Unfortunately, those tactics work pretty well on the American public, which is why they've come to lean on them so much.

 

[Elixir]

Every American city should have a Democratic mayor, if they can work miracles like that!

Miracles like that are anathema to RW extremists. Their very lifeblood runs with terror of "others".
Without a real raison d'etre, protecting themselves and their families from the imaginary, the unseen, the strange, and the unfamiliar becomes their paramount mission in life.
RW "leaders" know that, and feed them a steady stream of horror stories to keep them distracted from the fact that their leaders' hands are in their pockets.
One of the great things about poor subsistence farmers and fishermen - they don't have time for that shit.

 

[Elixir]

So! McTurtle, Mister “we can prosecute him after he leaves office” is now endorsing fascism.
Fucking great.

 

[ZiprHead]

Thread locked for derail cleanup.

 

[Angry Floof]

The CHAZ insurrection happened in 2020, which is more than a "few months back".

So the neighborhood got burned to the ground three years ago, but had already recovered in time for Christmas last? Impressive! Every American city should have a Democratic mayor, if they can work miracles like that!

"The insurrection" or "mostly peaceful protest" on 1/6 was over by dinner time the same day and yet you lot bang on about it incessantly. And the more unhinged among you are trying to "save democracy" by using the courts to prevent a candidate from running for election based on this "insurrection" nonsense.

The implication is that the riot is the only aspect of 1/6 being criticized here. As I stated earlier, this is either ignorant or deceptive.

Even the Supreme Court did not disagree that Trump engaged in insurrection so it is odd that you consider it nonsense, especially since you seem so happy with the Court’s opinion.

Yes, you lot have been banging on about the insurrection!!!11!!!111!!!! for years now. YEARS!

And fuck all has happened to Trump and nothing will.

This is gonna age well I just know it.