The Race For 2024

[ZiprHead]

Early voting started today in Georgia. Record turnout for the first day.

There always is. That's why I wait until the second week of early voting.

There's always a record turnout???

 

[Patooka]

Only for people who don't pay much attention to politics.

I'm damn certain it is *you* who isn't paying attention.

How to put this without compromising people?

I've admitted in another thread that I used to work in the Australian Tax Office. It's entirely possible that I worked in their office in Parramatta, Sydney with lots of other people. Some, or maybe even only just one, of those people now work for DFAT. Who are working estimates as to what our posture should be depending on the outcome of the US election.

There's a rumour that those two postures are very fucking different depending on the outcome.

Simply put - placing Trump in a gilded cage isn't going to cut it. Not from any point of view.

 

[Patooka]

"The louder the cannon, the deafer the peacemakers". Even if there is no further insurrection, I look forward to at least a decade of "This isn't the time to address that concern -- you don't want to go back to TRUMP do you?!"

Last time I checked, that's called a step in the right direction. Let me be the first to inform you the unfortunate fact that your vote doesn't cure cancer or eliminate poverty.

 

[Politesse]

"The louder the cannon, the deafer the peacemakers". Even if there is no further insurrection, I look forward to at least a decade of "This isn't the time to address that concern -- you don't want to go back to TRUMP do you?!"

Last time I checked, that's called a step in the right direction. Let me be the first to inform you the unfortunate fact that your vote doesn't cure cancer or eliminate poverty.

I don't know why everyone thinks I overestimate the power of the vote, when I'm the only one here who doesn't buy the idiotic premise that winning in November is "all that matters". Like, I am well aware of that. Are you? Fascism cannot and will not be defeated in the ballot box.

 

[Elixir]

Fascism cannot and will not be defeated in the ballot box.

I think we all know and accept that fascism will be a present element in any democratic society, but we don’t need to give the country over to fascism to “keep the peace” (it won’t) or to “make the trains run on time” (it might, for a while). It’s favored by a minority and instituting it would be antithetical to everything that made democracy work - to the extent that it did, which IMO has been considerable.
IOW fuck those god damned Nazi motherfuckers.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

"The louder the cannon, the deafer the peacemakers". Even if there is no further insurrection, I look forward to at least a decade of "This isn't the time to address that concern -- you don't want to go back to TRUMP do you?!"

Last time I checked, that's called a step in the right direction. Let me be the first to inform you the unfortunate fact that your vote doesn't cure cancer or eliminate poverty.

I don't know why everyone thinks I overestimate the power of the vote, when I'm the only one here who doesn't buy the idiotic premise that winning in November is "all that matters". Like, I am well aware of that. Are you? Fascism cannot and will not be defeated in the ballot box.

In reality fascism will be defeated by Hitler's favorite mountain.

 

[Patooka]

"The louder the cannon, the deafer the peacemakers". Even if there is no further insurrection, I look forward to at least a decade of "This isn't the time to address that concern -- you don't want to go back to TRUMP do you?!"

Last time I checked, that's called a step in the right direction. Let me be the first to inform you the unfortunate fact that your vote doesn't cure cancer or eliminate poverty.

I don't know why everyone thinks I overestimate the power of the vote, when I'm the only one here who doesn't buy the idiotic premise that winning in November is "all that matters". Like, I am well aware of that. Are you? Fascism cannot and will not be defeated in the ballot box.

Oh, it can be defeated *by* the ballot box. Not *in* the ballot box. But how's this for a paradox; fascism is also won by a ballot box. I'll give you a few minutes to figure out how both axioms are equally true. I'll give you a hint - you're supporting that long schlepp towards Gehenna with your attitude.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/10/13/federal-officials-nc-temporarily-relocated-amid-report-armed-militia-email-shows/

Those wonderful tRump people.

FEMA should announce that as they clearly aren't welcome they're going home.

That's bullshit. Not everyone in that community thinks the same.

If any individual refuses the help of FEMA for their own situation, that is their right. However, anyone making terroristic threats to federal employees should be arrested.

The problem isn't a matter of refusing help, but threatening them. This sort of stuff:

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Then the reaction is to have law enforcement remove the threat and then carry on with the job, not to leave.

The problem is that you don't know how many are out there. We have the sheriff saying it was just one guy, but I do not trust that. It's the same as various other events that have been cancelled because of threats.

 

[Politesse]

Fascism cannot and will not be defeated in the ballot box.

I think we all know and accept that fascism will be a present element in any democratic society, but we don’t need to give the country over to fascism to “keep the peace” (it won’t) or to “make the trains run on time” (it might, for a while). It’s favored by a minority and instituting it would be antithetical to everything that made democracy work - to the extent that it did, which IMO has been considerable.
IOW fuck those god damned Nazi motherfuckers.

Well, I agree. Ergo, the politics of compromise and half measures is not what's needed when the minority party is leaning heavily into fascist ideology. This is not something to be safely met halfway, ambivalently, indistinctly, or without a plan.

 

[Politesse]

I'll give you a hint - you're supporting that long schlepp towards Gehenna with your attitude.

I have a feeling that if I tell what I think you're getting at, you'll wail that I mischaracterized you. So why don't you spell it out for me in clearer terms, and we can go from there. There's no need to be shy, we're all friends here. Go on. Make your argument.

 

[Patooka]

I'll give you a hint - you're supporting that long schlepp towards Gehenna with your attitude.

I have a feeling that if I tell what I think you're getting at, you'll wail that I mischaracterized you. So why don't you spell it out for me in clearer terms, and we can go from there. There's no need to be shy, we're all friends here. Go on. Make your argument.

No problem. That's actually fair enough.

There is a choice in front of you. Because it is not the exact precise choice that you have fantasized about, you believe throwing a tantrum is the better solution. Personally, I think the upcoming US election is probably the most defining election for the US because of the 2 stark differences on the ballot at the top.

But it's not just the ballot at the top is it? On the first Tuesday of November as citizens you get to vote for a whole bunch of other shit don't you? Like the legislative body (or what you call Congress). Or like the Senate (or what you call the Senate). You even get to vote for "propositions" and Judges and fucking Sheriffs!

And that is how actual change is done. From the fucking ground up. Deciding who is President is a start, but it's only a start.

And if you think that is hard work...tough fucking shit. I'm pretty certain why you only quoted half of my post instead of my whole fucking post; and that was in the hopes you don't get an answer such as this which is to say -

- for the government you want, you have to put the fucking work in and not be a lazy whiny cunt. Those Taliban-esque Christian who basically banned abortion in your country? Those fucking cunts put the work in for fucking decades to make your country more like what they think it deserves. You don't like that? Stop being a lazy cunt and put some effort into it. Or be a first world Afghanistan. I'm done giving a fuck.



Call me what you'd like, mate.

 

[bilby]

I have no idea what GWCC stands for, but I am going to guess it's the Georgia Whites-Only Country Club.

Georgia World Congress Center.

It's downtown. Next to the Mercedes-Benz stadium.

Not one word of that has in any way increased my understanding.

 

[bilby]

If Trump loses, there's one easy way to stop him from inciting a coup.

They could do what the Portuguese did to
Prime Minister António de Oliveira Salazar, who was replaced as dictator after he suffered a cerebral haemorrage and lapsed into a coma in 1968. As he was clearly about to die, a new leader, Marcelo Caetano, was appointed by President Américo Tomás.

A month later, Salazar unexpectedly recovered his lucidity, and nobody dared to tell him that he had been replaced as leader during his illness, so for the next two years, until his death in July 1970, he was allowed to "rule" the country, with his aides having him sign decrees, treaties and laws, despite the whole thing being a charade, with the actual country being ruled by his successor.

Hollywood must have any number of sets that exactly replicate the Oval Office; Stick Trump in one and let him sign Executive Orders, veto laws, and eat Big Macs, and he will likely never know he isn't the actual President.

 

[Tigers!]

Polls can be wrong and have been wrong before. We'll see.

"The only poll that counts is the one on the (election) day" - Malcom Fraser, former PM of Australia.

 

[southernhybrid]

If Trump loses, there's one easy way to stop him from inciting a coup.

They could do what the Portuguese did to
Prime Minister António de Oliveira Salazar, who was replaced as dictator after he suffered a cerebral haemorrage and lapsed into a coma in 1968. As he was clearly about to die, a new leader, Marcelo Caetano, was appointed by President Américo Tomás.

A month later, Salazar unexpectedly recovered his lucidity, and nobody dared to tell him that he had been replaced as leader during his illness, so for the next two years, until his death in July 1970, he was allowed to "rule" the country, with his aides having him sign decrees, treaties and laws, despite the whole thing being a charade, with the actual country being ruled by his successor.

Hollywood must have any number of sets that exactly replicate the Oval Office; Stick Trump in one and let him sign Executive Orders, veto laws, and eat Big Macs, and he will likely never know he isn't the actual President.

I have often said that we should confine Trump to his Florida estate, or a nursing home. Give him a desk with a sign that says, "President Trump" and humor him. He's mentally ill so even if we are lucky and he loses the election, let him think he won and humor him. That often works as treatment for seriously delusional mentally ill people. It worked for my former patient who was always addressed as Queen. It could work for Trump.

 

[southernhybrid]

Despite being on vacation, I called my anxiety prone neighbor yesterday to see how she's doing. She voted yesterday and stood in line for 45 minutes, which is very unusual for early voting in my district. She is over 75 and could have gone to the front of the line, but she said she was enjoying a conversation with a Harris supporter who was in line behind her. She said she was sure there were lots of Trumpies there too, but considering our district, that is no surprise. Can't wait to get home next week and vote. And, if nobody mentioned it, a judge in Georgia just struck down the nutty electors rule that said they don't have to certify the election if they have reason to doubt the results. Sorry I don't have the details to post, but I am on vacation.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What in the world is going on in Nebraska? Dan Osborn is leading Deb Fischer by 5 pts... in a second poll. The first poll one could see a botch, but a second? The same polling company is showing the Republican in the Special Election up by 16 points. Of course, I wouldn't expect Osborn to be an easy vote to control in the Senate, probably be like Manchin, but that would be a problem worth having.

The darnedest thing at the moment is Harris is trailing like Biden was, behind the Democrat Senators. I'm uncertain what in the heck that is about.

 

[Henry-Finland]

Today, in Finland, the 2020 and 2024 elections are described like this:

"Large cities often lean Democratic, and counting votes there takes longer than in small rural communities, where Republicans often hold the majority.

According to a recent poll, in the November election, 32 percent of Democrats and 16 percent of Republicans plan to vote by mail.

This automatically means delays in the final results in some states. In some states, like key states Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, the processing of mail-in ballots cannot begin before Election Day, whereas in others, it can.

In 2020, Trump surged ahead with a 700,000-vote lead in Pennsylvania on election night, but Biden slowly started catching up, and four days after the election, TV networks were able to call Pennsylvania and the overall election for Biden.

While Democrats rushed to downtown Philadelphia to celebrate the victory, Trump’s lawyers held a press conference about election fraud. Later, Trump supporters attacked the Capitol while the session to certify Biden’s election victory was taking place."


So, ask the Trumpos how come Finns know more about the election than e.g. Fox and their followers?

 

[Henry-Finland]

Trump wants the polls to show him as a winner.
If he does not win, the polls before the election "will show that the voting process was rigged".
Then chaos breaks out.
And the puppet master, the gargoyle in Moscow is pleased.

Putin has an army of internet soldiers that tries to get every democratic country to split the people.
I hope you guys get your shit together.

Just now, the banking system is not working in Finland and Sweden. Also, the Baltic states and Poland are under attack, according to the latest news.

 

[Henry-Finland]

There is currently a coalition: Russia, Iran, North Korea, China + hang-around-Trump.
If weak Trump gets elected, a larger conflict will follow - take your pick:

• The war in Israel & neighbours will continue.
• Bab al-Mandab Strait will be closed (Houthis/Iran). It is between Yemen and Africa. Suez will be closed.
• The Strait of Hormuz (between Iran and Oman) will be closed (Iran). Most of the Arabian oil passes through there.
• Taiwan (China).
• And somewhere else? Just keeping the chaos going.

- I can say with certainty that Trump will not be able to solve these issues. He does not listen to any advisors.
- Harris has announced that under her administration, there will be a body in which Republicans will be involved.
This might lead to cooperation that will block the grand ambitions of the dictatorship coalition.
It has been very clear that both the EU and the USA have shown their weakness on the Ukraine question, and now it is backfiring.


Europe’s own problems, in addition to the above-mentioned:

• France will have problems in Africa.
• The EU will face major issues with immigration due to the war between Russia and Ukraine. Both Russia and Ukraine have been the largest grain suppliers to North Africa and the Middle East.
  Due to food shortages, prices will rise, and those who do not have food will move toward Europe.
  
  The EU has not understood this in time, and when they do, the majority of these 25 countries "will continue knitting socks", thinking that "others will handle it." Or there is some election coming...