The Virus - Are You Affected?

[ZiprHead]

I don't want to wear a mask.

There is no need to wear a mask in some situations. Like if you are sitting outside on a park bench on your own, or strolling in an open space walking your dog. But the zealots can't stop themselves from finger wagging, shaming, scolding and posting on social media about the monster that is LITERALLY KILLING people !!!!111!! because they aren't wearing a mask.

Get over yourselves and mind your business.

Have any pro-mask zealots killed anyone yet because anti-maskers like you have killed several.

 

[Treedbear]

You mean like these fellows?

No, I mean the violent thugs rampaging through the streets, looting, destroying property and harassing innocent people in apparent protest at something that happened nowhere near their own community and doing these things in places that they probably don't belong to.

That's the whole point. They're protesting not belonging in the same way that white people do.

Trump's supporters are expert waggers. They'll also sit, speak, and roll over on command.

I wouldn't know. I'm not obsessed with Trump or his supporters.

You should be at least more concerned about the disaster awaiting our democracy if Trump decides to nullify the election. Over blown concerns about finger waggers sounds more like an obsession.

 

[marc]

No, I mean the violent thugs rampaging through the streets, looting, destroying property and harassing innocent people in apparent protest at something that happened nowhere near their own community and doing these things in places that they probably don't belong to.

Oh, you mean Trump supporters?

pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies

 

[TSwizzle]

No, I mean the violent thugs rampaging through the streets, looting, destroying property and harassing innocent people in apparent protest at something that happened nowhere near their own community and doing these things in places that they probably don't belong to.

Oh, you mean Trump supporters?

I don't know what, if any affiliation these people have but I think it is unlikely they were Trump supporters.

 

[TSwizzle]

That's the whole point. They're protesting not belonging in the same way that white people do.

Odd as there appeared to be a significant number of white people taking part.

You should be at least more concerned about the disaster awaiting our democracy if Trump decides to nullify the election.

I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Over blown concerns about finger waggers sounds more like an obsession.

If only it stopped there.

 

[Rhea]

What is infuriating is a nearby outbreak at a church 4 weeks ago - where they refused to mask, and refused to cooperate with contact tracers, resulting in 80 cases that we know of. The timing is damning. The county had a drive-through test of the church, volunteer basis only, so most of the church refused, but of those tested, about 60, HALF were positive.

Fuckers. Reckless endangerment.

Yeah, these reckless fuckers that were rampaging protesting through the streets of Hollywood last night without masks. That is never mentioned, just the monsters people going about their business, attending church.

They should have been wearing masks. The protets in my town for BLM were all mask-wearing. There was no outbreak after the event.

 

[Rhea]

It's never mentioned because the protests have been going on for so long that everyone just assumes it will be so.

It's never mentioned because it's more virtuous to wag fingers at joggers or worshipers not wearing masks.

The worshippers I am wagging at are responsible for 75+ cases and one death so far. They should be more than wagged. They should be fined for the cost of their little personal “God will Save Us” religious outbreak.

 

[Treedbear]

That's the whole point. They're protesting not belonging in the same way that white people do.

Odd as there appeared to be a significant number of white people taking part.

That you believe it's odd or unlikely that white people are protesting for black equality is telling. Oh, I see. They wore masks, so couldn't be identified.

You should be at least more concerned about the disaster awaiting our democracy if Trump decides to nullify the election.

I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Which comports with your complacency on the pandemic.

Over blown concerns about finger waggers sounds more like an obsession.

If only it stopped there.

I rest my case.

 

[Derec]

Oh, you mean Trump supporters?

pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies

The BLM/Antifa have been raging in Portland for months. Don't pretend that they have not just because you can find some examples of Trumpers doing it too.

 

[Angry Floof]

Oh, you mean Trump supporters?

pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies

The BLM/Antifa have been raging in Portland for months. Don't pretend that they have not just because you can find some examples of Trumpers doing it too.

 

[Derec]

It's already been confirmed many times over. We knew this in April from analysing Italian cases. It's just been left out of media reporting because of fears they are fat shaming.

Is there good data rather than just anecdotes? I am obese myself, and concerned about catching it.

This is the main reason blacks in USA are disproportionally hard hit by Covid-19.

I don't think so. Blacks are somewhat more likely to be obese than whites, but by only about 10 percentage points. Asians are much less likely to be obese, and you don't see them being almost immune.


I think vitamin D plays a big role.

Since higher melanin content blocks more UV light, it inhibits calciferol (D₃) synthesis in the skin. Thus black people, especially in higher latitudes are at higher risk of vitamin D deficiency. Vitamin D has been linked with COVID19 outcomes.
Adequate levels of vitamin D reduces complications, death among COVID-19 patients

Since I spent quite a bit of time this Summer swimming in an outdoor pool, and I also eat fish, often salmon, twice a week, I have that going for me, which is nice. </caddyshack>

Another reason is probably higher rate of employment in jobs requiring face-to-face interactions - food service, retail and the like.

Lastly, there could be some unknown genetic risk factor that may be more widespread in certain populations. We know of such already - like the sickle cell trait, prevalent in people of sub-Saharan African origin, conferring resistance to malaria or the CCR5-Δ32 mutation, somewhat prevalent in northern Europeans, that confers resistance (especially if homozygous) to HIV infection.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Monitoring an outbreak at my mother’s nursing home. First sign, a case 3 weeks ago. Then another 2 weeks ago. Then last Friday 2, then after the weekend 7, then tuesday 4, then 3 on Wed and 1 on Thu, and today they announced 28. That is, I assume, the results of testing the entire facility Monday. So all of the people who were infected but not enough to register, they will show up in the next wekk or so, then all the people those people infected.

45+ cases in the nursing home as of today.

What is infuriating is a nearby outbreak at a church 4 weeks ago - where they refused to mask, and refused to cooperate with contact tracers, resulting in 80 cases that we know of. The timing is damning. The county had a drive-through test of the church, volunteer basis only, so most of the church refused, but of those tested, about 60, HALF were positive.

Fuckers. Reckless endangerment.

The politicisation of face masks is truly bizarre.

No. It makes sense if you understand the Republican position--get everyone infected as fast as possible, get it over with, go back to normal. The dead don't matter. If you look at their actions from that point of view they all make sense.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't want to wear a mask.

There is no need to wear a mask in some situations. Like if you are sitting outside on a park bench on your own, or strolling in an open space walking your dog. But the zealots can't stop themselves from finger wagging, shaming, scolding and posting on social media about the monster that is LITERALLY KILLING people !!!!111!! because they aren't wearing a mask.

Get over yourselves and mind your business.

Strolling in an open space walking your dog you might walk past someone.

The zealots aren't killing people but your side is engaged in mass murder. You call us sheep but what's really going on is that we aren't listening to your leaders leading you to slaughter.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Every video or photo I've seen shows almost everyone at the Hollywood protests wearing a mask.

Behave yourself. If any are wearing masks it's because they don't want to be identified, nothing to do with being responsible citizens.

In pre-Covid protests you didn't see much face covering. That's antifa, not BLM.

It's never mentioned because the protests have been going on for so long that everyone just assumes it will be so.

It's never mentioned because it's more virtuous to wag fingers at joggers or worshipers not wearing masks.

Just look at the pictures. The masks are there.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's never mentioned because the protests have been going on for so long that everyone just assumes it will be so.

It's never mentioned because it's more virtuous to wag fingers at joggers or worshipers not wearing masks.

The worshippers I am wagging at are responsible for 75+ cases and one death so far. They should be more than wagged. They should be fined for the cost of their little personal “God will Save Us” religious outbreak.

What I would like to see is the law define them as a threat, if you're standing still and not blocking a chokepoint you can stun-gun anyone not wearing a mask. For it to be possible to hit them they must have approached far closer than 6'.

 

[southernhybrid]

It's already been confirmed many times over. We knew this in April from analysing Italian cases. It's just been left out of media reporting because of fears they are fat shaming.

Is there good data rather than just anecdotes? I am obese myself, and concerned about catching it.

This is the main reason blacks in USA are disproportionally hard hit by Covid-19.

I don't think so. Blacks are somewhat more likely to be obese than whites, but by only about 10 percentage points. Asians are much less likely to be obese, and you don't see them being almost immune.
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I think vitamin D plays a big role.

Since higher melanin content blocks more UV light, it inhibits calciferol (D₃) synthesis in the skin. Thus black people, especially in higher latitudes are at higher risk of vitamin D deficiency. Vitamin D has been linked with COVID19 outcomes.
Adequate levels of vitamin D reduces complications, death among COVID-19 patients

Since I spent quite a bit of time this Summer swimming in an outdoor pool, and I also eat fish, often salmon, twice a week, I have that going for me, which is nice. </caddyshack>

Another reason is probably higher rate of employment in jobs requiring face-to-face interactions - food service, retail and the like.

Lastly, there could be some unknown genetic risk factor that may be more widespread in certain populations. We know of such already - like the sickle cell trait, prevalent in people of sub-Saharan African origin, conferring resistance to malaria or the CCR5-Δ32 mutation, somewhat prevalent in northern Europeans, that confers resistance (especially if homozygous) to HIV infection.

I have read numerous articles that explain in detail why it's believed that obesity is one of the highest risk factors for complications related to COVID. They are easy to find, so here's one for you to consider.

https://www.unc.edu/posts/2020/08/26/obesity-linked-with-higher-risk-for-covid-19-complications/

rom COVID-19 risk to recovery, the odds are stacked against those with obesity, and a new study led by the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill raises concerns about the impact of obesity on the effectiveness of a future COVID-19 vaccine.

Researchers examined the available published literature on individuals infected with the virus and found that those with obesity (BMI over 30) were at a greatly increased risk for hospitalization (113%), more likely to be admitted to the intensive care unit (74%), and had a higher risk of death (48%) from the virus.

A team of researchers at UNC-Chapel Hill’s Gillings School of Global Public Health, including lead author Barry Popkin, a professor in the Department of Nutrition and member of the Carolina Population Center, collaborated with senior author Meera Shekar, a World Bank health and nutrition specialist, on the paper published in Obesity Reviews.

PLus, if you look at lots of the photos that have been shared by the media, of those who. have died from the virus, you will find that a high percentage of them suffer from obesity. I'm not one to fat shame. I consider obesity to be a complex disease, which isn't easy to "cure". While I am thin, I have two sisters who have suffered from obesity. One had successful weight loss surgery about 5 years ago and has been successful at keeping her weight down to a healthy level. The other one has metastatic kidney cancer. Obesity is also a risk factor for kidney cancer. Obesity is at epidemic levels in the US, and treatment is complicated. It's not as easy as telling people to eat less, but I'm not gong to go on a rant about the complexity of obesity. I'm just here to tell you that obesity is a very high risk factor for COVID complications and mortality.

If you are truly interested, you can find numerous other academic articles about the risk factor of obesity. If I remember correctly, the risk involves fat cells and respiratory depression. That's simplifying things, and I may not be stating it correctly, as I read about this issue a few months ago. You can certainly do your own DD.

I'm highly skeptical about the vitamin D claims. I have suffered from low D levels intermittently for over 20 years, and I'm lily white. I just don't spend much time in the sun. I've had to up my supplement to 5000 units per day as the 2000 units weren't enough. Still, I haven't had as much as a cold in 10 years, so the idea that vitamin D somehow protects our immune system or low vitamin D levels makes us more susceptible to viral infections isn't really supported by any evidence that I've read. I eat tuna and salmon too. I just don't get much sunshine and apparently I don't absorb vitamin D as easily as some do, despite my fair complexion.

I tend to think that the Black folks who have died or had serious complications from COVID usually had underlying risk factors like hypertension, diabetes, asthma, as well as obesity. You might not realize that statistically black folks have higher percentages of asthma, often due to living in areas that are near sources of environmental pollution or working in plants where they are subjected to harmful chemicals.

 

[bilby]

The worshippers I am wagging at are responsible for 75+ cases and one death so far. They should be more than wagged. They should be fined for the cost of their little personal “God will Save Us” religious outbreak.

What I would like to see is the law define them as a threat, if you're standing still and not blocking a chokepoint you can stun-gun anyone not wearing a mask. For it to be possible to hit them they must have approached far closer than 6'.

Because America simply doesn't have a sufficient supply of assholes who use violence as a first resort against personal threats.

You do know that even if the law permits the use of violence, it's still not a good thing, right? Right? Far right?

 

[TSwizzle]

The worshippers I am wagging at are responsible for 75+ cases and one death so far. They should be more than wagged. They should be fined for the cost of their little personal “God will Save Us” religious outbreak.

Im not surprised at you response because at heart you are an authoritarian. What did surprise me is that you didn’t go further and say you wanted them jailed/banished/flogged or some such retribution. Covid has become your religion. You’re not the only one.

 

[ZiprHead]

The worshippers I am wagging at are responsible for 75+ cases and one death so far. They should be more than wagged. They should be fined for the cost of their little personal “God will Save Us” religious outbreak.

Im not surprised at you response because at heart you are an authoritarian. What did surprise me is that you didn’t go further and say you wanted them jailed/banished/flogged or some such retribution. Covid has become your religion. You’re not the only one.

Seems to me you're the religious fanatic in this situation. Denial of reality is a big sign of it.

 

[SimpleDon]

Redefining Covid-19: Months after infection, patients report breathing difficulty, excessive fatigue

(CNN)It's been five months since Lucy Gahan contracted Covid-19, and her life still hasn't returned to normal.

Gahan, a clinical psychologist in Shrewsbury, United Kingdom, hasn't been able to return to work.

The disease causes what she calls "storms," disabling periods when she feels shortness of breath, numbness in her hands and feet and her heart rate shoots up from simple tasks. Even taking a shower is possible only during an occasional respite in symptoms.

"In May and June, I could barely talk because I was so ill," she said.

Before contracting the disease in early April, the mother of two ran three times a week and had a regular yoga routine.

"I can only walk as far as the corner," she said. "In terms of running, I can't imagine when that will happen, if ever."

She is one of thousands around the world for whom Covid-19 has turned into a chronic condition. Gahan and other Covid-19 "long haulers" feel they aren't yet getting recognition for an illness that has disabled them for months, with no end in sight.

Even after seven months, I am still regaining the strength that I lost with the disease. I still have a noticeable loss of the senses of taste and smell. This is not a flu just like the seasonable flu. This is a vicious, deadly disease for some of us.

The sister of another sister-in-law of mine was taken off of the ventilator last night and allowed to die. I didn't really know her well but she was the second person in my extended family to die this week from COVID-19.