Trump confirms plan to declare national emergency and use military for deportations

[Jimmy Higgins]

If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action. And contesting takes time. Time the ugly mofos like Trump and Miller don't have.

Male bovine excrement. There is no reason to suppose that would happen, silly goose.

What would happen? That people get caught in a hastily thrown out deportation net because the Trump Admin would lack the resources and time to do it correctly?

Or that because you are white, you wouldn't get rounded up?

Or do you actually think Due Process will be involved with the deportations?

lol, you live in a fantasy world fella. You just make things up as you go along.

That isn't an answer, or even a viable response. I can't imply anything from it. I'm not even certain why you posted it.

Do you think it is remotely viable to deport millions of people and ensure Due Process?

I responded to the "If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action." nonsense you posted. Then you just ignore what I posted.

You just said it wouldn't happen. I asked what specifically wouldn't happen, even broke it down into smaller bits. And you are quadrupling down on "Don't expect me to have a discussion on a web board!... *now where is that rolling eyes emoji?*"

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Let's just hope in the rush and zeal to deport all the illegal or criminal immigrants, legal law-abiding immigrants are not swept up and sent out.

Why would you expect this? Haven't you heard the talk about "denaturalization"?

Denaturalization would be a legal quagmire. But hey, I say try it out on Melanie first. She might not even fight it.

Why do you think he's going to let the law limit him? His pet judges will do what he says.

There are not that many pet judges.

All he needs are 5 on SCOTUS.

He doesn't have time to take this to SCOTUS. Granted, the Roberts court has been a bit unpredictable regarding how it takes cases these days, so maybe he does.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You're an immigrant, you've seen the system. What is the path for those guys to apply legally?

There are multiple paths. Just showing up at the border or sneaking across it should not be a viable option.

That does not address my point at all.

 

[TSwizzle]

If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action. And contesting takes time. Time the ugly mofos like Trump and Miller don't have.

Male bovine excrement. There is no reason to suppose that would happen, silly goose.

What would happen? That people get caught in a hastily thrown out deportation net because the Trump Admin would lack the resources and time to do it correctly?

Or that because you are white, you wouldn't get rounded up?

Or do you actually think Due Process will be involved with the deportations?

lol, you live in a fantasy world fella. You just make things up as you go along.

That isn't an answer, or even a viable response. I can't imply anything from it. I'm not even certain why you posted it.

Do you think it is remotely viable to deport millions of people and ensure Due Process?

I responded to the "If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action." nonsense you posted. Then you just ignore what I posted.

You just said it wouldn't happen. I asked what specifically wouldn't happen, even broke it down into smaller bits. And you are quadrupling down on "Don't expect me to have a discussion on a web board!... *now where is that rolling eyes emoji?*"

You explicitly said if Derec and Tswizzle were swept up, etc. I said that's not going to happen. It won't happen.

 

[Elixir]

do you actually think Due Process will be involved with the deportations?

lol, you live in a fantasy world fella. You just make things up as you go along.

I think that was a “yes”.
Or rather, an “I’m afraid to admit to believing Trump is an upstanding fellow who does things by the book”.
As everyone knows, right, Swiz?

It’s not hard to figure out why we’re about to become a kakistocracy.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action. And contesting takes time. Time the ugly mofos like Trump and Miller don't have.

Male bovine excrement. There is no reason to suppose that would happen, silly goose.

What would happen? That people get caught in a hastily thrown out deportation net because the Trump Admin would lack the resources and time to do it correctly?

Or that because you are white, you wouldn't get rounded up?

Or do you actually think Due Process will be involved with the deportations?

lol, you live in a fantasy world fella. You just make things up as you go along.

That isn't an answer, or even a viable response. I can't imply anything from it. I'm not even certain why you posted it.

Do you think it is remotely viable to deport millions of people and ensure Due Process?

I responded to the "If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action." nonsense you posted. Then you just ignore what I posted.

You just said it wouldn't happen. I asked what specifically wouldn't happen, even broke it down into smaller bits. And you are quadrupling down on "Don't expect me to have a discussion on a web board!... *now where is that rolling eyes emoji?*"

You explicitly said if Derec and Tswizzle were swept up, etc. I said that's not going to happen. It won't happen.

You could have just said that several posts ago, but thanks for actually answering the question. I'm not particularly expecting that to happen either to you two for obvious reasons (granted, I am getting my naturalized Mother's documents in order just in case things get really stupid). But it will happen to someone... probably browner skin, possibly mistaken for some other person or just correled with the others, and they will likely not have their Constitutional Right to Due Process.

But as we learned in Covid, for conservatives, the rights of the many mean shit to the rights of you.

 

[TSwizzle]

If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action. And contesting takes time. Time the ugly mofos like Trump and Miller don't have.

Male bovine excrement. There is no reason to suppose that would happen, silly goose.

What would happen? That people get caught in a hastily thrown out deportation net because the Trump Admin would lack the resources and time to do it correctly?

Or that because you are white, you wouldn't get rounded up?

Or do you actually think Due Process will be involved with the deportations?

lol, you live in a fantasy world fella. You just make things up as you go along.

That isn't an answer, or even a viable response. I can't imply anything from it. I'm not even certain why you posted it.

Do you think it is remotely viable to deport millions of people and ensure Due Process?

I responded to the "If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action." nonsense you posted. Then you just ignore what I posted.

You just said it wouldn't happen. I asked what specifically wouldn't happen, even broke it down into smaller bits. And you are quadrupling down on "Don't expect me to have a discussion on a web board!... *now where is that rolling eyes emoji?*"

You explicitly said if Derec and Tswizzle were swept up, etc. I said that's not going to happen. It won't happen.

You could have just said that several posts ago,

It was my first response.

but thanks for actually answering the question. I'm not particularly expecting that to happen either to you two for obvious reasons

Then why say it?

(granted, I am getting my naturalized Mother's documents in order just in case things get really stupid). But it will happen to someone... probably browner skin, possibly mistaken for some other person or just correled with the others, and they will likely not have their Constitutional Right to Due Process.

Beyond tedious.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It was my first response.

You used the word "that", which was vague and could have had multiple meanings. I apologize for trying to double check. I'll just assume whatever in the future as you seem to get triggered by conversation.

but thanks for actually answering the question. I'm not particularly expecting that to happen either to you two for obvious reasons

Then why say it?

(granted, I am getting my naturalized Mother's documents in order just in case things get really stupid). But it will happen to someone... probably browner skin, possibly mistaken for some other person or just correled with the others, and they will likely not have their Constitutional Right to Due Process.

Beyond tedious.

Exactly. You don't give a fuck if twenty, four hundred, a thousand Americans are sent over the border. Because you don't think it won't happen to you.

 

[ZiprHead]

Let's just hope in the rush and zeal to deport all the illegal or criminal immigrants, legal law-abiding immigrants are not swept up and sent out.

Why would you expect this? Haven't you heard the talk about "denaturalization"?

Denaturalization would be a legal quagmire. But hey, I say try it out on Melanie first. She might not even fight it.

Why do you think he's going to let the law limit him? His pet judges will do what he says.

There are not that many pet judges.

All he needs are 5 on SCOTUS.

He doesn't have time to take this to SCOTUS. Granted, the Roberts court has been a bit unpredictable regarding how it takes cases these days, so maybe he does.

I still say Biden should stack the court while he has time.

 

[TSwizzle]

It was my first response.

You used the word "that", which was vague and could have had multiple meanings.

There was nothing vague about my response. My response was very specific.

but thanks for actually answering the question. I'm not particularly expecting that to happen either to you two for obvious reasons

Then why say it?

(granted, I am getting my naturalized Mother's documents in order just in case things get really stupid). But it will happen to someone... probably browner skin, possibly mistaken for some other person or just correled with the others, and they will likely not have their Constitutional Right to Due Process.

Beyond tedious.

Exactly. You don't give a fuck if twenty, four hundred, a thousand Americans are sent over the border. Because you don't think it won't happen to you.

The constant "brown people" schtick is so worn out it is beyond tedious.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

e doesn't have time to take this to SCOTUS. Granted, the Roberts court has been a bit unpredictable regarding how it takes cases these days, so maybe he does.

I still say Biden should stack the court while he has time.

Believe that requires an act of Congress to open the bench to more seats. Not thinking that'll happen.

 

[ZiprHead]

beyond tedious.

Describes your posts to a T.

 

[ZiprHead]

e doesn't have time to take this to SCOTUS. Granted, the Roberts court has been a bit unpredictable regarding how it takes cases these days, so maybe he does.

I still say Biden should stack the court while he has time.

Believe that requires an act of Congress to open the bench to more seats. Not thinking that'll happen.

Dems hold the present house and the present senate. The republicans eliminated the filibuster for SC judges. There is nothing in the Constitution that limits the number of judges.

And you know Trump would do it if he was in Biden's place.

Everyone keeps saying the dems need to get some balls. This is an ideal place to start.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

e doesn't have time to take this to SCOTUS. Granted, the Roberts court has been a bit unpredictable regarding how it takes cases these days, so maybe he does.

I still say Biden should stack the court while he has time.

Believe that requires an act of Congress to open the bench to more seats. Not thinking that'll happen.

Dems hold the present house and the present senate. The republicans eliminated the filibuster for SC judges. There is nothing in the Constitution that limits the number of judges.

And you know Trump would do it if he was in Biden's place.

Everyone keeps saying the dems need to get some balls. This is an ideal place to start.

Yeah, I can only imagine President Trump doing absolutely nothing about it on Day One.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Why would you expect this? Haven't you heard the talk about "denaturalization"?

It's possible. Palestinian terrorist Rasmea Odeh lost her US citizenship because she lied on her application.
Of course, INS goofed letting her into the United States to begin with.
Former naturalized citizen deported to Jordan for withholding ties to deadly Israel bombing

Only for lying on the citizenship application. That's not what The Felon is after.

 

[Politesse]

The funny thing is, TSwizzle clearly knows exactly why he's unlikely to be caught up in an ICE raid. But he'll never admit it. And will feign offense if anyone points it out. Why, he doesn't even see color, only activists are racists.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Sending anyone back to Haiti - a perfect example of a violent, dangerous shithole - should be considered a crime against human decency.

Anyone? Even those who have e.g. committed violent crimes on US soil?

The Haitians in the USA under this protected status as a group are productive members of their communities that posed no real threats or problems until some bigot spread a vicious lie that ignited a fire under white nationalist assholes.

The "they are eating the pets" line was a lie. That does not mean that there aren't problems with the concept of turning a temporary protected status into a vehicle for large-scale permanent migration.
Just like there is a problem into turning the asylum system into a vehicle for large-scale economic migration.

This is a case of face-eating leopards. The Republicans have for a long time been starving the immigration service, slowing immigration by adding years of processing wait. Oops, now it's the other way around, that delay means they can't process asylum claims.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A caliphate would be about as bad as what The Felon is going for. Moderate Islam is fine, radical Islam is not.

A caliphate would be much worse. The mass migrants tend to come from areas where radical Islam is predominant such as Afghanistan.

Of course they do. Because those are the places thag people want to get away from.

The idea that they are therefore likely to want to establish radical Islam in their new homes is bizarrely broken logic.

Most of the Jewish migrants arriving in America (or trying to get to America) in the early 1930s were from places where Nazism was rampant. "We should not allow them in, in case they try to establish Nazism in America", would have be an incredibly stupid and illogical position to take back then. Even though it would have been possible to find examples of German Jews who were fans of Nazism.

But it's the exact argument you are making now about Afghan refugees and radical Islam.

You're assuming radial Islam is monolithic. Sunnis might flee Shia areas and vice versa. And there have been issues with the people being too radical and fleeing countries that have been cracking down on the radicals.

Besides, the Islamic radical problem doesn't seem to be so much with the immigrants, but with the next generation. They seem to be easy pickings for the Islamist radicalizers.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Of course they do. Because those are the places thag people want to get away from.

But why do they want to get away? For most it is the money. They want to get to places like Germoney because they have the best economic prospects there. But that does not mean they like western societies or culture. That's why they start demanding a caliphate in Hamburg and protest against pubs in London.

If you have to leave it makes sense to go to the place you consider best, not necessarily the closest place. I was looking into what it would take to get out of the US as I'm afraid of what it's likely to become. Would we go to the closest place where we could get permission to stay? No.

So even if there is a selection against Sharia among those migrating to US, Europe or Australia, that still could easily mean that 2/3 or 3/4 support Sharia. Which is why it is important that any prospective immigrants be carefully vetted, and not let in just because they showed up at the border or on a boat off the shores of Turkey or North Africa.

It's impossible to vet them in the countries, the real refugees aren't in a position to be adequately vetted.

 

[TSwizzle]

The funny thing is, TSwizzle clearly knows exactly why he's unlikely to be caught up in an ICE raid. But he'll never admit it. And will feign offense if anyone points it out. Why, he doesn't even see color, only activists are racists.

I don't take offense to it. I get bored with it. Understand the difference old bean.