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Trump confirms plan to declare national emergency and use military for deportations
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Derec
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With millions of mass migrants showing up at the southern border each year, it is a very big problem. That Dems allowed MAGA/Trump to capitalize on it by shifting to the left on immigration in recent years is dereliction of duty.
Remember the 2019 debates? When Dem candidates were trying to one-up each other over who would be more permissive and inviting toward all these mass migrants? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Derec
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Have you fauxgressives really reached the point on the horseshoe where you are saying that Islam is preferable to Christianity because Islam oppresses women more? Seriously? Even if you only direct it at the women you hate, this is still highly distasteful.
Derec
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Why this derail?
In any case, neither is the Left.
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Oh fer fuck's sake.
Read for tone, sir. Tone.
Watch some Bill Burr or Patton Oswalt or Anthony Jeselnik.
Tone.
Tone. I really can't explain it more than that.
Derec
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That was the previous Congress (2021-2023). We are now in the 118th Congress. That's why Mike Johnson is the Speaker - because GOP has the majority.
He is the minority leader and filibuster for judicial appointments has been scrapped.
Derec
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Hard to convey over text.
And there is a genuine "Christianity is worse than Islam" view on the fauxgressive left.
It has to do with fauxgressives operating on a rigid oppressor/oppressed paradigm.
Christianity == oppressor. Muslims == oppressed, so the former must be worse, or so the ideology dictates.
You are not them.
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Dude! Above you admit my statement is correct, and in the same breath, call it propaganda.
There are professionals who specialize in helping people sort out inner conflicts like that.
Xenophobia meets illogic …
ideologyhunter
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So, let's look at your complaint for just one more jiffy. You logged on to a website dominated by atheism. You read a post by a long-time opponent of just about every religious narrative and cause there is. You saw what you thought was approval of mistreatment of women under Sharia law, and you found that highly distasteful. And the (sarcastic) tone just didn't get conveyed sufficiently.
Then there is no remedy.
There will just have to be the collateral damage of offended feelings now & then.
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Can you elaborate about how/why this is a problem?
Again, I'm being serious. I want to understand it from your perspective.
Keyword "propaganda".
Considering you believe Project 2025 is not a thing, I'm pretty certain you're screwed.
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Don't know if someone posted this on a previous page, and TLDR-AF, as they say. Texas land commissioner Dawn Buckingham (looks like Laura Ingraham's younger sister, the kind of blonde that always gets a kickass gig on Fox) has promised Trump 1400 acres of land in Starr County, which is down in that chubby gila monster tail of the state, for him to build detention centers. The army will no doubt be down there not long after New Years. I imagine they'll have a bunch of fenced-in barracks labeled Los Ninos.
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What statement of yours did I allegedly agree with?
What is illogical is conflating any support on restrictions on immigration or for deporting more illegals is "xenophobia".
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You seriously do not think that millions of mass migrants entering through our southern border is a problem?
I do not see that the point is that hard to understand. And even if you don't agree, it mattered to a lot of people. Enough that Harris lost bigly and dragged several others (e.g. Bob Casey, Sherrod Brown) with her.
Most Dem candidates for 2020 (including Kamala, but not Biden, who seems to have been confused by the question) for example raised their hand in support of decriminalizing illegal border crossings.
The disastrous pre-Pandemic portion of the 2020 primary season really came back at the Dems like a boomerang. It was not just immigration, of course, but it was a big piece of the puzzle.
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Derec
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This forum is also dominated by leftists, and "Christianity is worse than Islam" is a very common trope in that milieu. It has even been expressed in this very thread.
I got that you were likely exaggerating, but it was still distasteful, esp. given the trope above.
I also remember the "Women's March" that was a big part of the Resistance where hijab had somehow been elevated to a symbol of movement feminism.
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But who is looking? It is very difficult to deport illegals, especially in so-called "sanctuary" jurisdictions.
And making it easier for them to function in the US society serves as a pull factor for more and more illegal migration.
Certainly for more recent migrants that should be possible to find out. And don't most countries of origin such as El Salvador or Guatemala receive foreign aid from the US?
I doubt that is too common. Most of the "dreamers" were teenagers and have contact with extended family back home.
Yes, the "valedictorian who was 2 when he was brought to US illegally" trope has been used to sell the Obama Dreamer executive order. But the order applies to those who were 16 when they came illegally and they maintain eligibility even with misdemeanor criminal record.
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Where "any support for restrictions on immigration" is meant to be understood as "declaring a national emergency and using the military to illegally deport millions of people"?
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Individually it may make sense, but it makes no sense overall for either legitimate refugees or all the economic migrants that have come with them to be all admitted to a handful of richest countries.
I think refugee resettlement should be done primarily on a regional basis. European countries are better positioned to integrate refugees from Ukraine for example. Muslim countries are better positioned to integrate refugees from Muslim countries like Afghanistan or Pakistan.
Then there are places like Bangladesh. Purely economic migration (in fact, Bangladesh is hosting over a million Bengali refugees from Burma), but EU still refuses to deport them on a large scale.
Again, there is a disconnect between what would be most beneficial to you as an individual vs. making it a general rule for millions of migrants to go to the same place. Also, I am sure you would take cultural similarity and language into account. Mass migrants from say Afghanistan who have a "Germany or bust" attitude just look at how much the mass migrants get in benefits from the state. Not because they feel any affinity for German culture (most despise it and want Sharia Law enforced) or because they speak German - it's all about money for them.
They generally pass through several safe countries on the way to US or Europe. In many cases they scoff even at poorer European countries, insisting that only Germoney, $weden or United Kingdom will do.
There was a case of an Afghan man who murdered a German woman after raping her. Not only did Germany not vet him about his past in Afghanistan before he got in, he had a criminal record in Greece for assaulting another woman and seriously hurting her. Common sense has taken a back seat to the Willkommenskultur and everybody who disagreed was labeled a "xenophobe".
"Danke Merkel" means "Thank you Merkel". Angela Merkel is the former German Chancellor, and she tore open the floodgates of mass Muslim migration in 2015. This is written on a concrete barrier erected to prevent ramming attacks by adherents of the "religion of peace".
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