Trump confirms plan to declare national emergency and use military for deportations

[ZiprHead]

e doesn't have time to take this to SCOTUS. Granted, the Roberts court has been a bit unpredictable regarding how it takes cases these days, so maybe he does.

I still say Biden should stack the court while he has time.

Believe that requires an act of Congress to open the bench to more seats. Not thinking that'll happen.

Dems hold the present house and the present senate. The republicans eliminated the filibuster for SC judges. There is nothing in the Constitution that limits the number of judges.

And you know Trump would do it if he was in Biden's place.

Everyone keeps saying the dems need to get some balls. This is an ideal place to start.

Yeah, I can only imagine President Trump doing absolutely nothing about it on Day One.

Let him try. Our Supreme Court majority will strike him down.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action. And contesting takes time. Time the ugly mofos like Trump and Miller don't have.

Male bovine excrement. There is no reason to suppose that would happen, silly goose.

And why in the world do you think this? He's announced deportation plans at a rate completely incompatible with providing anything resembling justice.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And how do you propose to find all those illegals?

It would be easier if illegals did not have access to things like driver's licenses and employment.
And in many cases the government knows where they are hamstrung by various things. For example, ICE knew where felonious illegal José Zárate (who later murdered Kate Steinle even though he got away with it) was and they had issued a detainer but San Francisco Sheriff's Department refused to honor it because it is a "sanctuary" jurisdiction.

It would be harder if they didn't have access to things like driver's licenses. If they have a driver's license they have an address, you know where to look for them.

And what do you do if their country doesn't want them back?

Make any aid conditional on taking back their people.

You're assuming there's aid and you're assuming you know where people came from. There are those who will lie and there are those who truly do not know--they came when they were too young to know where home was.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action. And contesting takes time. Time the ugly mofos like Trump and Miller don't have.

Male bovine excrement. There is no reason to suppose that would happen, silly goose.

What would happen? That people get caught in a hastily thrown out deportation net because the Trump Admin would lack the resources and time to do it correctly?

Or that because you are white, you wouldn't get rounded up?

Or do you actually think Due Process will be involved with the deportations?

lol, you live in a fantasy world fella. You just make things up as you go along.

No. We are thinking about what it would take to actually accomplish what he says he intends.

He's saying 2 + 2 and we are making things up in saying 4.

 

[Derec]

Dems hold the present house

No, they don't!

and the present senate. The republicans eliminated the filibuster for SC judges. There is nothing in the Constitution that limits the number of judges.

I was given a hard time in another thread for suggesting that Sonia Sotomayor should retire and allow Biden to appoint a replacement that would be confirmed by the still Democratic Senate.
Dems would never get it done in time, I was told.

And now you suggest that Democrats would be able to pack SCOTUS by January 3rd? Even if Dems did control the House, that would be a task orders of magnitude more difficult and uncertain than confirming a single justice.

 

[Politesse]

The funny thing is, TSwizzle clearly knows exactly why he's unlikely to be caught up in an ICE raid. But he'll never admit it. And will feign offense if anyone points it out. Why, he doesn't even see color, only activists are racists.

I don't take offense to it. I get bored with it. Understand the difference old bean.

Well, you may be "bored" with racial discrimination all you like, but that does not stop it from happening, nor you from benefiting from it very directly. You can casually discuss the possibility of mass arrests and long detentions of innocent, legal immigrants because you know (or think you know) that it won't be you living out that miscarriage of justice.

 

[TSwizzle]

The funny thing is, TSwizzle clearly knows exactly why he's unlikely to be caught up in an ICE raid. But he'll never admit it. And will feign offense if anyone points it out. Why, he doesn't even see color, only activists are racists.

I don't take offense to it. I get bored with it. Understand the difference old bean.

Well, you may be "bored" with racial discrimination all you like, but that does not stop it from happening, nor you from benefiting from it very directly.

The "white privilege" thang is equally boring old bean.

You can casually discuss the possibility of mass arrests and long detentions of innocent, legal immigrants because you know (or think you know) that it won't be you living out that miscarriage of justice.

US citizens will not be rounded up en masse and kicked out of the US.

 

[Politesse]

The funny thing is, TSwizzle clearly knows exactly why he's unlikely to be caught up in an ICE raid. But he'll never admit it. And will feign offense if anyone points it out. Why, he doesn't even see color, only activists are racists.

I don't take offense to it. I get bored with it. Understand the difference old bean.

Well, you may be "bored" with racial discrimination all you like, but that does not stop it from happening, nor you from benefiting from it very directly.

The "white privilege" thang is equally boring old bean.

You can casually discuss the possibility of mass arrests and long detentions of innocent, legal immigrants because you know (or think you know) that it won't be you living out that miscarriage of justice.

US citizens will not be rounded up en masse and kicked out of the US.

Can you not read? Trump has promised the largest mass deportation event in US history.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Dems hold the present house

No, they don't!

and the present senate. The republicans eliminated the filibuster for SC judges. There is nothing in the Constitution that limits the number of judges.

I was given a hard time in another thread for suggesting that Sonia Sotomayor should retire and allow Biden to appoint a replacement that would be confirmed by the still Democratic Senate.
Dems would never get it done in time, I was told.

Anything the Democrats constitutionally try to do, the Republicans would shutdown the government.

 

[ZiprHead]

Dems hold the present house

No, they don't!

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• 443 members
• 227 Democratic members
• 216 Republican members

and the present senate. The republicans eliminated the filibuster for SC judges. There is nothing in the Constitution that limits the number of judges.

I was given a hard time in another thread for suggesting that Sonia Sotomayor should retire and allow Biden to appoint a replacement that would be confirmed by the still Democratic Senate.
Dems would never get it done in time, I was told.

And now you suggest that Democrats would be able to pack SCOTUS by January 3rd? Even if Dems did control the House, that would be a task orders of magnitude more difficult and uncertain than confirming a single justice.

Mitch McConnell might disagree.

 

[ZiprHead]

Dems hold the present house

No, they don't!

and the present senate. The republicans eliminated the filibuster for SC judges. There is nothing in the Constitution that limits the number of judges.

I was given a hard time in another thread for suggesting that Sonia Sotomayor should retire and allow Biden to appoint a replacement that would be confirmed by the still Democratic Senate.
Dems would never get it done in time, I was told.

Anything the Democrats constitutionally try to do, the Republicans would shutdown the government.

So we should just give up???

 

[jonatha]

The 117th Congress By the Numbers​

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The present Congress is the 118th, seated January 3 2023 ending January 3 2025.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Dems hold the present house

No, they don't!

and the present senate. The republicans eliminated the filibuster for SC judges. There is nothing in the Constitution that limits the number of judges.

I was given a hard time in another thread for suggesting that Sonia Sotomayor should retire and allow Biden to appoint a replacement that would be confirmed by the still Democratic Senate.
Dems would never get it done in time, I was told.

Anything the Democrats constitutionally try to do, the Republicans would shutdown the government.

So we should just give up???

No. But enacting plans that can either be easily reversed or manipulated worse by the GOP would seem to be a poor direction to move in.

 

[unapologetic]

The State shouldn't be allowed to merely assert a person's legal standing in America, they should be required to demonstrate it.

It is not like we don't have a database of citizens and of legal visitors. Just say "no data found. Must be illegal."

Even though it would have been possible to find examples of German Jews who were fans of Nazism.

Bilby, start worrying about MAGA supporters living in OZ. M.A.G.A. also works for "Make Australia Great Again"

I still say Biden should stack the court while he has time.

SCOUS is a lifetime appointment.

TSwizzle clearly knows exactly why he's unlikely to be caught up in an ICE raid.

Because he is living/posting from a Russian boiler-room?

Would we go to the closest place where we could get permission to stay?

During the Viet-nam war Canada was very popular.

If they have a driver's license they have an address,

Nobody bothers to update their license when they move. I was crashing at my sister's house for only 6 months, when I got my license.

So we should just give up???

It appears we already have. Unless you are suggesting we IIDB posters can actually do something.

 

[lostone]

A caliphate would be about as bad as what The Felon is going for. Moderate Islam is fine, radical Islam is not.

A caliphate would be much worse. The mass migrants tend to come from areas where radical Islam is predominant such as Afghanistan.

You think we aren't headed for radical theocracy???

Dominionism seems to be doing quite well in Trump's GOP, which now controls all the major branches of government

 

[Elixir]

It’s not like a caliphate would be more or less accepting of a legal sex industry than our coming theocracy will be.
It’s going to be risky business in New Trumpistan if you’re not in the protected Class.

 

[ideologyhunter]

At least under strict sharia law, Kellyanne, Marj, and Ann Coulter would have to wear niqabs (and shut their pieholes.)

 

[bilby]

It is not like we don't have a database of citizens and of legal visitors. Just say "no data found. Must be illegal."

That would work. As long as the databse in question is the first one in human history to have zero errors in its data.

Elon Musk can be in charge of it. Working remotely, of course, after his deportation.

 

[Toni]

I believe in the Statue of Liberty.

A mediocre poem, written in the 19th century when US population was ~50M, is not a basis for a system of governmentimmigration policy.

I think there should be legal immigration, based on our needs and also vetting potential immigrants. This business of letting in everybody who shows up at the border and letting them remain indefinitely (and making it difficult to deport them, especially if they move to sanctuary cities and/or have anchor babies) contributed to the Trump victory.

Is that an actual problem or just a MAGA talking point? I’m being very serious here. I am NOT suggesting that you are MAGA.

 

[Elixir]

I believe in the Statue of Liberty.

A mediocre poem, written in the 19th century when US population was ~50M, is not a basis for a system of governmentimmigration policy.

I think there should be legal immigration, based on our needs and also vetting potential immigrants. This business of letting in everybody who shows up at the border and letting them remain indefinitely (and making it difficult to deport them, especially if they move to sanctuary cities and/or have anchor babies) contributed to the Trump victory.

Is that an actual problem or just a MAGA talking point? I’m being very serious here. I am NOT suggesting that you are MAGA.

MAGAt propaganda permeates society; if one of its facets is seen through, another will suck in the unwary.
If we had more “illegals” in this country, the crime rate would be LOWER if form were to hold.