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Trump in One-on-One Debates?

Update: It seems Trump not only wants to debate, but he wants to debate even more than planned:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fourth-presidential-debate-earlier-date-showdown

However his request was turned down.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/06/commission-rejects-trump-request-for-4th-presidential-debate/

On the other hand, Pelosi wants Biden to avoid the debates.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1299015105074561026

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...en-shouldn-t-debate-trump-i-wouldn-t-n1238475

Biden has not commented on the matter as far as I know.
 
Angra Mainyu said:
Update: It seems Trump not only wants to debate, but he wants to debate even more than planned:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fourth-presidential-debate-earlier-date-showdown

However his request was turned down.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/06/commission-rejects-trump-request-for-4th-presidential-debate/

On the other hand, Pelosi wants Biden to avoid the debates.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1299015105074561026

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...en-shouldn-t-debate-trump-i-wouldn-t-n1238475

Biden has not commented on the matter as far as I know.
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It is obvious to everyone that Trump's tactic there is to ask for an earlier debate, run by his buddies, have it be painfully and childishly slanted to help him and then he throws a tantrum and refuses the remainder of adult debates.

Biden - and the rest of the country - are correct to say, no additional early debates run by fox. The first debate will be as planned, as agreed upon. Trump's transparent and childish attempts to make it into a sham are being rightly turned down. His transparent and childish attempts to blame this on Biden are being rightly laughed at. No one is being taken in by this obvious ploy. Dumb. Sad.
 
Rhea said:
Angra Mainyu said:
Update: It seems Trump not only wants to debate, but he wants to debate even more than planned:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fourth-presidential-debate-earlier-date-showdown

However his request was turned down.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/06/commission-rejects-trump-request-for-4th-presidential-debate/

On the other hand, Pelosi wants Biden to avoid the debates.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1299015105074561026

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...en-shouldn-t-debate-trump-i-wouldn-t-n1238475

Biden has not commented on the matter as far as I know.
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It is obvious to everyone that Trump's tactic there is to ask for an earlier debate, run by his buddies, have it be painfully and childishly slanted to help him and then he throws a tantrum and refuses the remainder of adult debates.

Biden - and the rest of the country - are correct to say, no additional early debates run by fox. The first debate will be as planned, as agreed upon. Trump's transparent and childish attempts to make it into a sham are being rightly turned down. His transparent and childish attempts to blame this on Biden are being rightly laughed at. No one is being taken in by this obvious ploy. Dumb. Sad.
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No, that is not obvious to everyone. It is not obvious to me. A plausible scenario is that Trump wants to debate as many times as possible, because he believes that that will increased his chances compared to the current situation in which he is running from behind. And of course, if the debates are rigged in his favor, all the better.

However, if he is still losing in the polls after the first n debates, he will probably want to go for n+1. Otoh, if he is no longer losing, he probably will feel that debates are helping him and he's better at them (unless there is another cause for the polls improvement that even he can do), so he'll want to debate again.

In other words, I believe he'll probably want to debate as much as possible. At any rate, I'm pretty sure he will debate as long as Biden doesn't drop out of the debates.
 
Angra Mainyu said:
No, that is not obvious to everyone. It is not obvious to me. A plausible scenario is that Trump wants to debate as many times as possible,
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He dropped out of debates last time. Why do you think he would not pull the same trick again?

Fool you once, shame on Trump. Fool you twice, shame on Angra Manyu.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/donald-trump-debate-fox/474135/
Trump Skips Another Debate

Donald Trump doesn’t want to debate.

That’s the impression you might get after listening to a Fox News interview with the GOP presidential front-runner on Wednesday, when he announced that he would not attend a Republican primary debate planned for next week. “I think we’ve had enough debates,” Trump said,
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Rhea said:
He dropped out of debates last time.
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He did not drop out of any of the presidential debates.

Rhea said:
Why do you think he would not pull the same trick again?
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It would not be "again", but that aside, I believe he probably wants to debate because:

1. He asked that a further debate be added.
2. He's behind in the polls. If he does nothing, odds are not looking good at least as of today.
3. He probably thinks he can beat Biden. Everything I read so far points to that belief.
4. When he was trailing Clinton in the polls, he did not drop out of any debates, and that worked out for him.

Rhea said:
Fool you once, shame on Trump. Fool you twice, shame on Angra Manyu.
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He did not fool me once. All three presidential debates took place.

If you are talking about a debate for the Republican nomination, he did not fool me as I did not expect him to participate or not to (I just wasn't aware of that debate), but clearly he thought it was rigged against him. Even if that had not been the case, he had a reason for dropping out: he was winning, so why take the risk? Now he is losing, so he would want to take the risk (apart from the other considerations above).
 
Right. He asked for an earlier debate set up friendly to him. You think there is nothing significant in that.
You think that when he dropped out of debates, it’s a special circumstance, different from this.
He thinks everything is rigged against him, did you just realize that?

The debate commission is rightly turning down his attempts. The debates were set up and agreed to by the parties.
 
Right. He asked for an earlier debate set up friendly to him. You think there is nothing significant in that.
You think that when he dropped out of debates, it’s a special circumstance, different from this.
He thinks everything is rigged against him, did you just realize that?

The debate commission is rightly turning down his attempts. The debates were set up and agreed to by the parties.
 
Rhea said:
Right. He asked for an earlier debate set up friendly to him. You think there is nothing significant in that.
You think that when he dropped out of debates, it’s a special circumstance, different from this.
He thinks everything is rigged against him, did you just realize that?

The debate commission is rightly turning down his attempts. The debates were set up and agreed to by the parties.
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He did not drop out of the presidential debates. The debate he did drop out was clearly in circumstances very different from the current ones. If the polls change significantly in his favor, then he might consider dropping out. As it is, it is very improbable that he would do that. It's less clear for Biden, not because he wants to do that (I do not know whether he does), but because of pressure from his own party/side.

But if Biden does not drop out, we can wait and see whether Trump does, and bump the thread later.
 
Angra Mainyu said:
Update: It seems Trump not only wants to debate, but he wants to debate even more than planned:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fourth-presidential-debate-earlier-date-showdown

However his request was turned down.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/06/commission-rejects-trump-request-for-4th-presidential-debate/

On the other hand, Pelosi wants Biden to avoid the debates.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1299015105074561026

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...en-shouldn-t-debate-trump-i-wouldn-t-n1238475

Biden has not commented on the matter as far as I know.
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Biden has commented, as the NBC news article you link to notes:
In an interview on MSNBC's "Andrea Mitchell Reports," Biden said he's still moving forward with the debates despite Pelosi's advice.
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KeepTalking said:
Angra Mainyu said:
Update: It seems Trump not only wants to debate, but he wants to debate even more than planned:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fourth-presidential-debate-earlier-date-showdown

However his request was turned down.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/06/commission-rejects-trump-request-for-4th-presidential-debate/

On the other hand, Pelosi wants Biden to avoid the debates.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1299015105074561026

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...en-shouldn-t-debate-trump-i-wouldn-t-n1238475

Biden has not commented on the matter as far as I know.
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Biden has commented, as the NBC news article you link to notes:
In an interview on MSNBC's "Andrea Mitchell Reports," Biden said he's still moving forward with the debates despite Pelosi's advice.
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Thanks, I had missed that the article continued below the video. So, very probably there will be three debates.
 
I feel a bit better about glib, voluble Trump besting Biden on verbal pyrotechnics after seeing clips from last night's Laura Ingraham show. Trump was bedbug crazy, and the racism was blatant. Jesus, man! Listen to your advisers!! This will not help you break out.
My favorite (most horrifying moments):
1- He tells Laura the suburbs are imperiled if Joe gets in, because low income housing is coming. He adds, "The women." THE WOMEN!! The women want to be protected. This is a chief executive in 2020 CE.
2- Who is controlling Biden? People you've never heard of, he tells her. People in the shadows.
3- Then he goes into a bizarre story about agents dressed in black being sent around the country on black ops, such as interrupting his convention. He talks about a plane that recently took off, packed with "thugs", all in black. Laura asks where this happened, and he quickly mutters, in the style of a tent show carney, "I'll tell you sometime."
He must, in his private moments, be smirking about how he can spin this stuff and get away with it, at least with his audience. Actually I hope he's smirking. If he thinks for a minute it's real, he's out of his fucking gourd.

Miss Annie Jello probably loved it.
 
You start out in 1954 by saying, “N----r, n----r, n----r.” By 1968 you can’t say “n----r” - that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract.
- Lee Atwater

Trump is going Lee Atwater on us big time. Black thugs coming for the white women! Willy Horton.
 
ideologyhunter said:
I feel a bit better about glib, voluble Trump besting Biden on verbal pyrotechnics after seeing clips from last night's Laura Ingraham show. Trump was bedbug crazy, and the racism was blatant. Jesus, man! [...]

Miss Annie Jello probably loved it.
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[MENTION=154]ideologyhunter[/MENTION];

When someone shows themselves to be monumentally gullible and deplorably racist, please do NOT tag them for that by referring to them as a female.

They are a man, behaving like a fucking deplorable as men do.

Women are not your punchline. We are not the worst thing a human can be. We are not a crushing insult.

Please stop it.
 
Elixir said:
I think not.

If there's one facet of humanity still functioning in the semi-sentient blob of protoplasm called Donald Trump, it's the instinct for self-preservation.
The next Dem nominee is not going to get shocked into submission by him gooning over their shoulder in a debate, is not going to be shouted into silence by his screams of "NO PUPPET NO PUPPET, YOU'RE THE PUPPET!" and isn't going to hesitate to produce facts and sources to forcibly call him a liar in real time. This time Trump has a voluminous track record of corruption, broken empty promises and outright fuckups to throw in his face, and I'm pretty sure that even in the depth of his delusion, his survival instinct will warn him of the danger of facing even the weakest possible Dem candidate in a one-on-one environment with no Hannity, Limbaugh or McTurtle to protect him.

I expect he will publicly deem debates to be beneath him, because "everybody knows that ____________ is a lying commie and debates are rigged blah blah blah" and therefore decline to participate, setting a new shining example for incumbent presidents, to the cheers of his 22% base.

What do y'all think?
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According to this forum's prophet, one with a very consistent track record, Trump would not agree to the debate that has by now occurred.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
Trump would not agree to the debate that has by now occurred.
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He didn't debate. Made no attempt to do so.
And his deficit in the polls seems to have doubled because of it.
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Rhea said:
ideologyhunter said:
I feel a bit better about glib, voluble Trump besting Biden on verbal pyrotechnics after seeing clips from last night's Laura Ingraham show. Trump was bedbug crazy, and the racism was blatant. Jesus, man! [...]

Miss Annie Jello probably loved it.
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[MENTION=154]ideologyhunter[/MENTION];

When someone shows themselves to be monumentally gullible and deplorably racist, please do NOT tag them for that by referring to them as a female.

They are a man, behaving like a fucking deplorable as men do.

Women are not your punchline. We are not the worst thing a human can be. We are not a crushing insult.

Please stop it.
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^^This^^ multiplied by 3.9 Billion

Although, frankly I would have left off the Please
 
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