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Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

Half-Life said:
My timing was a little off. It looks like April will be the worst of it and then May should be the downhill part of the curve and then by June 1 (possibly a roaring speech by Trump announcing the re-opening of the economy for Memorial Day weekend) the economy will be roaring ready for a nice 5 months of smooth sailing right into Trump's 2nd term.
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This is perhaps the most nonsensical thing you have ever posted (and it certainly has a lot of competition).

If indeed we level off in that timeframe, it will mean that we haven't overtaxed the heathcare system, which is good. But we won't be able to reopen the economy until there's a widely available vaccine (or until everyone has caught the disease and either died or recovered, assuming recovery confers immunity).

if you reopen too soon, that flattened curve will take off again.
 
This whining means he ordered the removal and that he's jealous of the letter.
 
Shit. Just reported the ex-captain of the Roosevelt has tested positive.
 
angelo said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
angelo said:
There's no such thing as " picking winners." The winner would be the world community were a cure, or at least a treatment be discovered. There are various government as well as privately funded scientific labs working on a vaccine throughout the Western world at least.

Methinks were the US trials to prove successful in making a vaccine, the left would be devastated in case it would help re-elect the Donald. The left would rather see people die if it helps their cause! Is that the depravity the Dems have slunk to?
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Man the bullshit is just flinging at record levels. Trump isn’t a doctor. Almost all doctors don’t think it will work. And people are being used as needless guinea pigs for a medication that won’t work, clogging up the chances to actually find a treatment.

It is migraine inducing madness.
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Medication that won't work, and your qualifications for making such a statement are...................................? In such a crisis as this Pandemic, isn't every angle, every formula of past and new promising experiment worth a try?
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No, it's not.

In 1918, doctors resorted to blood-letting. Which had been the standard treatment for fever up until a few years earlier.

Treatment that's not known to work almost invariably breaks the Hippocratic principle to "first do no harm". No medication (even ineffective ones) is without harmful side effects.
 
angelo said:
Loren Pechtel said:
angelo said:
Trump COVID-19 press conference.

https://gellerreport.com/2020/04/trumps-daily-briefing.html/
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Beware, this is infected with Covfefe-19.

Why should we care what that lying sack of shit says?

(With apologies to shit, at least shit is fertilizer.)
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Okay, ignore what " the sack of shit" has to say. But What about what the experts in that press conference have to say? Because they're sharing the podium with the " sack of shit" they should also just shut the f up?
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They're not allowed to contradict him.
 
bilby said:
angelo said:
Medication that won't work, and your qualifications for making such a statement are...................................? In such a crisis as this Pandemic, isn't every angle, every formula of past and new promising experiment worth a try?
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No, it's not.

In 1918, doctors resorted to blood-letting. Which had been the standard treatment for fever up until a few years earlier.

Treatment that's not known to work almost invariably breaks the Hippocratic principle to "first do no harm". No medication (even ineffective ones) is without harmful side effects.
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Well......not entirely true. Clinical trials, particularly Phase 1 and Phase 2 are carried out precisely because it is unknown whether a treatment or combination of treatments will cause harm. Evidence is collected to ensure that it doesn't but until it's actually tried, it cannot be said to be known that no harm is done.

Also, doctors do prescribe some medications 'off label' because it has been shown that a side benefit improves X condition but clinical trials have not been conducted.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
angelo said:
Okay, ignore what " the sack of shit" has to say. But What about what the experts in that press conference have to say? Because they're sharing the podium with the " sack of shit" they should also just shut the f up?
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They're not allowed to contradict him.
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Contradict him, upstage him, argue with him, get more attention than him, show him to be dumber than a bag of hammers, make promises/predictions/prophecize w/out his approval.
 
South Korea adding two weeks to social distancing efforts | TheHill

Biden says Democratic convention may need to be virtual | TheHill - it was moved from Jul 23 to Aug 17

Surgeon general: 'This is going to be the hardest and the saddest week of most Americans' lives' | TheHill - the upcoming week

Gaetz on House Dem Coronavirus Inquiry: 'Democrats Are Jealous and Out of Power' - that's Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) He once mocked concerns about the virus by showing up on the House floor wearing a gas mask. Some people commented that he also wore matching shoes.

Trump warns of rough week ahead: 'There will be death' | Fox News
On March 27, the United States hit the 100,000 case benchmark. On April 1, the number of Americans infected doubled to more than 200,000 cases. Just three days later, on Saturday, positive COVID-19 cases topped 300,000.

To respond, Trump said he's deploying 1,000 medical military personnel to New York, the epicenter of the United States outbreak. Reinforcing his hope for the use of the malaria drug, hydroxychloroquine, in treatment against COVID-19, Trump said the United States is stockpiling 29 million does of the drug.

"What do you have to lose? Take it," Trump said of hydroxychloroquine.

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Dr. Deborah Birx, who serves on the White House coronavirus task force, said the modeling shows that the three major hotspots the country in New York, Detroit and Louisiana will peak in the next six or seven days. She urged vigilance in social distancing to mitigate the spread.
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The numbers fit an exponential curve almost perfectly, though I checked United States Coronavirus: 321,337 Cases and 9,128 Deaths - Worldometer for other days' numbers. The exponential fit is still justified, though the slope is now less than before about mid-March.
 
George W. Bush in 2005: 'If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be too late to prepare' - ABC News - "A book about the 1918 flu pandemic spurred the government to action."
Thus was born the nation's most comprehensive pandemic plan -- a playbook that included diagrams for a global early warning system, funding to develop new, rapid vaccine technology, and a robust national stockpile of critical supplies, such as face masks and ventilators, Townsend said.

The effort was intense over the ensuing three years, including exercises where cabinet officials gamed out their responses, but it was not sustained. Large swaths of the ambitious plan were either not fully realized or entirely shelved as other priorities and crises took hold.

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"If we wait for a pandemic to appear," he warned, "it will be too late to prepare. And one day many lives could be needlessly lost because we failed to act today."
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Why these 8 Republican governors are holding out on statewide stay-at-home orders - CNNPolitics
It's not as though the novel coronavirus hasn't touched each of their states in some way. Yet a combination of states' rights defiance, persuasion from some business and agricultural leaders and a largely rural composition have branded these governors as outliers during a moment of national crisis, where the actions of one potentially affect all.
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Jared Kushner and his shadow corona unit: what is Trump's son-in-law up to? | World news | The Guardian
 
jonatha said:
Half-Life said:
My timing was a little off. It looks like April will be the worst of it and then May should be the downhill part of the curve and then by June 1 (possibly a roaring speech by Trump announcing the re-opening of the economy for Memorial Day weekend) the economy will be roaring ready for a nice 5 months of smooth sailing right into Trump's 2nd term.
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This is perhaps the most nonsensical thing you have ever posted (and it certainly has a lot of competition).

If indeed we level off in that timeframe, it will mean that we haven't overtaxed the heathcare system, which is good. But we won't be able to reopen the economy until there's a widely available vaccine (or until everyone has caught the disease and either died or recovered, assuming recovery confers immunity).

if you reopen too soon, that flattened curve will take off again.
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Cases are already slowing down. This is exciting news.
 
Half-Life said:
jonatha said:
Half-Life said:
My timing was a little off. It looks like April will be the worst of it and then May should be the downhill part of the curve and then by June 1 (possibly a roaring speech by Trump announcing the re-opening of the economy for Memorial Day weekend) the economy will be roaring ready for a nice 5 months of smooth sailing right into Trump's 2nd term.
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This is perhaps the most nonsensical thing you have ever posted (and it certainly has a lot of competition).

If indeed we level off in that timeframe, it will mean that we haven't overtaxed the heathcare system, which is good. But we won't be able to reopen the economy until there's a widely available vaccine (or until everyone has caught the disease and either died or recovered, assuming recovery confers immunity).

if you reopen too soon, that flattened curve will take off again.
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Cases are already slowing down. This is exciting news.
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What, exactly, do you mean by 'already?'
 
Half-Life said:
Keith&Co. said:
Half-Life said:
Cases are already slowing down. This is exciting news.
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What, exactly, do you mean by 'already?'
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The shutdown hasn't even been issued for a month yet and we are already in decline, Keith.
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THE shutdown? Which shutdown would that be, Halfie?

The drop is in the number of new cases being reported. Not the total number of infected. And with the piss-poor state of testing, that's not exactly a number to crow about. It's much more of a 'to the best of our knowledge' and 'fog of war' thing.
 
Denial and dysfunction plagued U.S. government as coronavirus raged - The Washington Post - 2020 Apr 4 - "From the Oval Office to the CDC, political and institutional failures cascaded through the system and opportunities to mitigate the pandemic were lost."

For the first two months of this year, the Trump Administration ignored and dismissed the COVID-19 virus as a non-issue. Thus losing valuable time. Time that could have been used to ramp up production of ventilators and protective gear and test kits. As AOC said here: Ocasio-Cortez blames Trump and Republicans for the deaths of every American who dies from nCovid19.. - YouTube

Max Boot: Who could have predicted Trump would be such a bad crisis manager? Everyone, actually. - The Washington Post - 2020 Mar 12
To be sure, it wasn’t quite as bad as it could have been. Trump did not again call coronavirus concern a “hoax” perpetrated by his political opponents, or compare it to the common flu, or suggest that it would “miraculously” disappear on its own very soon. His tone was appropriately solemn. But he could not resist boasting and preening about the U.S. response and falling back on his nativist comfort zone.

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He did not even declare a national state of emergency — something he has previously done for the southern border and cybersecurity. An emergency declaration could give Trump broader powers to mobilize the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the military, among other resources, but Politico reports that Trump is concerned it “could hamper his narrative that the coronavirus is similar to the seasonal flu and could further agitate Wall Street.” Actually, it’s Trump’s failure to take decisive action that is agitating Wall Street, with stocks in free fall the morning after his speech. Trump is heightening, not ameliorating, pandemic panic.
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What a sick obsession. Are thousands of people supposed to die for Wall Street?

Max Boot again: The worst president. Ever. - The Washington Post - 2020 Apr 5

As he notes, the passage of time provides valuable perspective. Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, and George Bush I now look much better, and Thomas Jefferson and Woodrow Wilson now look worse.

MB had earlier left open the possibility that some other President was worse than Trump, some President like Warren Harding or Andrew Johnson or James Buchanan or Franklin Pierce or some other such nonentity of a President.
With his catastrophic mishandling of the coronavirus, Trump has established himself as the worst president in U.S. history.

His one major competitor for that dubious distinction remains Buchanan, whose dithering helped lead us into the Civil War — the deadliest conflict in U.S. history. Buchanan may still be the biggest loser. But there is good reason to think that the Civil War would have broken out no matter what. By contrast, there is nothing inevitable about the scale of the disaster we now confront.
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Trump recently claimsd that only 100,000 dying of the virus is a sign that he is doing a "good job".
No, it will be a sign that he’s a miserable failure, because the coronavirus is the most foreseeable catastrophe in U.S. history. The warnings about the Pearl Harbor and 9/11 attacks were obvious only in retrospect. This time, it didn’t require any top-secret intelligence to see what was coming. The alarm was sounded in January by experts in the media and by leading Democrats including presumptive presidential nominee Joe Biden.
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Several other countries have done *much* better. Like Taiwan, Singapore, Canada, South Korea, Georgia and Germany.
This fiasco is so monumental that it makes our recent failed presidents — George W. Bush and Jimmy Carter — Mount Rushmore material by comparison. Trump’s Friday night announcement that he’s firing the intelligence community inspector general who exposed his attempted extortion of Ukraine shows that he combines the ineptitude of a George W. Bush or a Carter with the corruption of Richard Nixon.
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What pettiness and spitefulness.
Trump is characteristically working hardest at blaming others — China, the media, governors, President Barack Obama, the Democratic impeachment managers, everyone but his golf caddie — for his blunders. His mantra is: “I don’t take responsibility at all.”
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angelo said:
hurtinbuckaroo said:
angelo said:
https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/resea...cc=evening_update&mpweb=755-8750872-720425075


Researchers may have found coronavirus’ Achilles’ heel
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Where's the link to the story in "Science"?
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Does it have to be in the Science journal? Why doubt this report while not questioning say, the New York Times?

https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/researchers-may-have-found-coronavirus-achilles-heel/
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Well, you verify the claims. You see if other trusted news sources are reporting on it. You look at the author and their reputation. You look for the source of the information itself and who provided it, are they reliable? Sooner or later we all have to push the "I believe" button but it's a matter of how much work you want to do to verify what you are reading is true.
Or you can just look for writings that support your preconceived notions and build your own truth.
 
angelo said:
hurtinbuckaroo said:
angelo said:
https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/resea...cc=evening_update&mpweb=755-8750872-720425075


Researchers may have found coronavirus’ Achilles’ heel
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Where's the link to the story in "Science"?
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Does it have to be in the Science journal? Why doubt this report while not questioning say, the New York Times?

https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/researchers-may-have-found-coronavirus-achilles-heel/
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Well, there is no need to link to the Science article, when you didn't bother to read the NY Post article.
 
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