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Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

Keith&Co. said:
Half-Life said:
The shutdown hasn't even been issued for a month yet and we are already in decline, Keith.
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THE shutdown? Which shutdown would that be, Halfie?

The drop is in the number of new cases being reported. Not the total number of infected. And with the piss-poor state of testing, that's not exactly a number to crow about. It's much more of a 'to the best of our knowledge' and 'fog of war' thing.
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And again, if the number of new cases is in fact slowing, it does *not* mean it'll be safe to reopen the country soon.
 
angelo said:
hurtinbuckaroo said:
angelo said:
https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/resea...cc=evening_update&mpweb=755-8750872-720425075


Researchers may have found coronavirus’ Achilles’ heel
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Where's the link to the story in "Science"?
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Does it have to be in the Science journal? Why doubt this report while not questioning say, the New York Times?

https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/researchers-may-have-found-coronavirus-achilles-heel/
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Because most reporters stink at reporting on science.
 
Half-Life said:
jonatha said:
Half-Life said:
My timing was a little off. It looks like April will be the worst of it and then May should be the downhill part of the curve and then by June 1 (possibly a roaring speech by Trump announcing the re-opening of the economy for Memorial Day weekend) the economy will be roaring ready for a nice 5 months of smooth sailing right into Trump's 2nd term.
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This is perhaps the most nonsensical thing you have ever posted (and it certainly has a lot of competition).

If indeed we level off in that timeframe, it will mean that we haven't overtaxed the heathcare system, which is good. But we won't be able to reopen the economy until there's a widely available vaccine (or until everyone has caught the disease and either died or recovered, assuming recovery confers immunity).

if you reopen too soon, that flattened curve will take off again.
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Cases are already slowing down. This is exciting news.
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That doesn't mean we can go back to normal. If we get the case counts low enough we can ease off on the lockdown, but going back to normal would basically just put us back to a month ago--case counts would begin shooting up again.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
angelo said:
Does it have to be in the Science journal? Why doubt this report while not questioning say, the New York Times?

https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/researchers-may-have-found-coronavirus-achilles-heel/
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Because most reporters stink at reporting on science.
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Or just data in general. I see maps or the world C19 cases and maps of US cases by state but no data on actual growth rates. Given that the whole deal here is "flatten the curve" they it's the rate of change that's crucial even though I am sure that the data is am imperfect count. It pisses me off when I see each day a table of c19 cases and deaths but no data on growth rate and no data on mortality rates. They make me do the math. And then by now there must be data on infection rates by age, mortality rates by age. I could probably find it somewhere but with your typical CNN, NYT, WaPo stories the crucial data on rates of change are never shown.

This isn't just C199 data but all kinds of data. They'll write out the results in prose when a few simple charts tell the story. Journalists aren't tough how to make charts?

I recall when Ross Perot was running for president he used lots of charts. He was ridiculed. Bow I never liked Perot but charts are sensible and very useful.

Being a market researcher, If I refused to preset data in chart form I'd probably get fired.
 
I was just looking up a list of famous people who died from the 1918 flu and on that list is Trumps's granddaddy Frederick. But Trump never knew people were killed by the flu.
 
Trump has been going all in on chloroquine.

From Saturday:

HE PRESIDENT: And I hope they use the hydroxychloroquine, and they can also do it with Z-Pak, subject to your doctor’s approval, and all of that. But I hope they use it because I’ll tell you what: What do you have to lose? In some cases, they’re in bad shape. What do you have to lose? It’s been out there for a long time, and I hope they use it. And they’re going to look at the — with doctors. Work with doctors. Get what you have to get. But we have it stockpiled, and it’s — we have a lot of it, and we’re getting more of it.

And as I told you, I spoke to Prime Minister Modi. We’re getting more of it, but we have a lot of it. And I hope they use it, because it’s been used for a long time and therefore it’s passed the safety test. FDA has been terrific. Dr. Hahn, I appreciate it very much, too. But I’ve seen some results.

Now, it’s early, I guess. It’s early. But — and you should — they should look at the lupus thing. I don’t know what it says, but there’s a rumor out there that — because it takes care of lupus very effectively, as I understand it. It’s a, you know, a drug that’s used for lupus.

So there’s a study out there that says people that have lupus haven’t been catching this virus. You know, maybe it’s true, maybe it’s not. Why don’t you investigate that?

And there’s also other studies, you know, with the malaria, that the malaria countries have very little — people that take this drug for malaria, which is very effective for malaria — that those countries have very little of this virus. I don’t know. You’re going to check it out.

But I think people should — if it were me — in fact, I might do it anyway. I may take it. Okay? I may take it. And I’ll have to ask my doctors about that, but I may take it.
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That was right after Fauci said there is no evidence yet about lupus and covid.

Also on Saturday.

And I just hope that hydroxychloroquine wins, coupled with perhaps the Z-Pak, as we call it — dependent totally on your doctors and the doctors there — because you know the answer to that question. If you do have the ventilator, you know the answer to that question. And I hate giving the answer.

So I don’t want to get them there. I don’t want to get them there. There’s a possibility — a possibility — and I say it: What do you have to lose? I’ll say it again: What do you have to lose? Take it. I really think they should take it. But it’s their choice and it’s their doctor’s choice, or the doctors in the hospital. But hydroxychloroquine — try it, if you’d like.
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And on Sunday, when someone asks Fauci about chloroquine, he butts in.

Q And would you also weigh in on this issue of hydroxychloroquine? What do you think about this? And what is the — what is the medical evidence?

THE PRESIDENT: Do you know how many times you’ve answered that question?

DR. FAUCI: Yeah —

Q But I’d love to hear from the doctor.

THE PRESIDENT: Maybe 15. Fifteen times. You don’t have to ask the question.

Q He’s — he’s your medical expert, correct?

THE PRESIDENT: He’s answered that question 15 times.
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This is bizarre even for him. And moments later, unrelated to chloroquine, this how the press briefing ended.

Q Sir, on the equipment issue, records show that federal agencies did not begin —

THE PRESIDENT: Oh, stop it.

Q — did not begin —

THE PRESIDENT: Who are you with? By the way, who are you with?

Q With the Associated Press, sir.

THE PRESIDENT: Who you with?

Q The Associated Press. Agencies didn’t begin bulk —

THE PRESIDENT: That’s another beautiful — that’s another beautiful (inaudible) —

Q — bulk purchases of respirators and N95 masks until mid-March.

THE PRESIDENT: Are you ready? Are you ready? Let me just
answer your question because I know exactly — you know, the same question you ask all the time. Ready?

Q It’s the first time I’ve asked this, sir.

THE PRESIDENT: They have done an unbelievable job in delivering —

For the Associated Press, which is, you know, not so great, not like it used to be.

The people that you’re looking at — FEMA, the military — what they’ve done is a miracle. What they’ve done is a miracle in getting all of this stuff. What they’ve done for states is incredible. And you should be thanking them for what they’ve done, not always asking wise-guy questions.

Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you. Thank you.

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What a horror show.
 
ZiprHead said:
https://soundcloud.com/paul-szoldra/acting-secnav-modley-criticizing-capt-crozier-to-sailors-onboard-uss-theodore-roosevelt

Someone recorded the acting secretary of the Navy's address to sailors on the Roosevelt. Those sailors are PISSED!
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"It was my opinion that if he didn't think that information was going to get out into the public in this information age we live in, then he was a. too naïve or too stupid to be the commanding officer of a ship like this. The alternate is that he did it on purpose." - SECNAV Thomas B. Modly.

IMO, if an acting SECNAV didn't think his comments were going to get out into the public …

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Trump brutally fact-checked by CNN host for lying and blame-shifting about shortages of US pandemic supplies – Raw Story
The morning after Donald Trump held yet another coronavirus press conference where he said that the country is about to enter into a week with a sharp increase in COVID-19 deaths, CNN’s Victor Blackwell brutally dissected the president’s lies that the government is helpless because of a shortage of medical supplies because former President Barack Obama left the shelves bare.
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He thinks that blaming Obama will leave him off the hook for his opposition to pandemic preparedness.

California sends 500 ventilators back to national stockpile
California is loaning 500 ventilators to states like New York where the coronavirus is exacting a deeper toll, Gov. Gavin Newsom announced Monday.

The act of generosity completes a bi-coastal aid package after both Washington and Oregon lent medical supplies to New York, which is battling the nation's worst outbreak. Ventilators from California will flow into the Strategic National Stockpile. Oregon announced Saturday it was sending 140 ventilators to New York, while Washington said Sunday it was returning more than 400 of the machines.
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So NY will be getting over 1040 of the machines.
“That is the right attitude,” Cuomo said. “That’s the only way we do this as a nation — we’re going to have to be flexible and handle the surge as it moves across the country.”

In later remarks Monday, Newsom said California was in position to assist other states in part because hospitals had made strides in obtaining more equipment. California hospitals have increased their collection from around 7,500 machines to more than 11,000 in the last few weeks, Newsom said.
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Cuomo hinted at doing the same with other states as needed.

That's much more leadership than Trump has shown.
 
Newsom: California coronavirus peak expected in May - Los Angeles Times
Newsom said lending the critically needed ventilators was possible because hospitals throughout California have procured thousands of devices in the last few weeks, increasing their total ventilator inventory from 7,587 to 11,036.

Given that coronavirus cases are not expected to peak until May, under current estimates, California could afford to lend the medical devices to parts of the country where they are in seriously short supply, Newsom said.
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Hydroxychloroquine explains why Trump should not be president - The Washington Post
That one word illustrates Trump’s arbitrary, anecdote-based method of making decisions; his reliance on cronies who have no relevant expertise; his rejection of science, or perhaps his failure to understand how science even works; his defiant stubbornness in clinging to what he “knows,” even when he doesn’t actually know it; his obsessiveness even in the face of contrary evidence; and his imperviousness to fact-based arguments he does not want to hear. Not for the first time, and probably not for the last, Trump spent a good part of Sunday’s covid-19 briefing touting the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for covid-19. Why is he so convinced? Because “they say” it works.
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He also talks about hunches and feelings as if they are a substitute for evidence.
 
lpetrich said:
Newsom: California coronavirus peak expected in May - Los Angeles Times
Newsom said lending the critically needed ventilators was possible because hospitals throughout California have procured thousands of devices in the last few weeks, increasing their total ventilator inventory from 7,587 to 11,036.

Given that coronavirus cases are not expected to peak until May, under current estimates, California could afford to lend the medical devices to parts of the country where they are in seriously short supply, Newsom said.
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Hydroxychloroquine explains why Trump should not be president - The Washington Post
That one word illustrates Trump’s arbitrary, anecdote-based method of making decisions; his reliance on cronies who have no relevant expertise; his rejection of science, or perhaps his failure to understand how science even works; his defiant stubbornness in clinging to what he “knows,” even when he doesn’t actually know it; his obsessiveness even in the face of contrary evidence; and his imperviousness to fact-based arguments he does not want to hear. Not for the first time, and probably not for the last, Trump spent a good part of Sunday’s covid-19 briefing touting the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for covid-19. Why is he so convinced? Because “they say” it works.
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He also talks about hunches and feelings as if they are a substitute for evidence.
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My FB feed is full of people talking about relatives with lupus who can't get medication now.
Fucking asswipe of a "president". My new nickname for him is PINO - president in name only. Or short for (a short) penis.
 
bilby said:
Elixir said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Colorado wants people to wear masks now outside. Can someone explain how a non-disposable clothe mask is a good idea? Aersols are what, 5 microns? Cotton mesh is what, 25 to 50 microns? Does electrostatic stuff help here? Granted, water isn't exactly electrostatic. Are we trying to stop metal bb's using a football helmet? Meanwhile, you are using your disease covered hands to put on and take off your mask.

Can someone explain to me how I'm wrong, please.
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They are useful where the possibility exists that there are asymptomatic carriers. Most transmissions are not aerosols but by droplets, many or most of which will be trapped by the cloth mask on exhalation by the carrier, and may also help protect a wearer from inhaling some of it. At least that's the official line being disseminated by colorado.gov.
" If you are wearing a mask, you may be preventing yourself from spreading it, even if you don't know you have it,” Polis said."
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Even a completely useless mask (that stops nothing in either direction) is an effective reminder to everyone who sees somebody wearing it that we are in a pandemic, and can serve to inspire distancing, hand washing, sanitizer use, and other genuinely effective behaviours.

In fact, a lot of the measures that are being put in place are only really effective in this way. But that's fine - if it's crazy but it works, then it's not crazy.
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GMTA:

homemade_masks.png

https://xkcd.com/2290/
 
With regards to "The number of cases of coronavirus in the US is dropping" narrative.


Well, this isn't suspicious at all.


When I started logging this data in a google spreadsheet, I was most particularly interested in how the estimates would change in those ten states that refused to enact shelter in place. How did the estimated deaths change for Iowa, Tennessee, Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, North Dakota, Kansas, Georgia, Alabama, and Wyoming. How has their going against the experts worked for them?

Fear not, people, because those ten Republican-governed states accounted for THE ENTIRE NATIONAL DROP. 11,188 fewer deaths from one week to the next.
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So the drop that Half-life is cheering about - yeah it's only happening in states that aren't imposing any sort of quarantine measures. Does that make sense to anybody else? And it's just a coincidence that the drop only occurs in states run by Republican Governors. Totally above board.

There's a 99.99% probability that at least some politicians are cooking the books on reported cases to make orange Joffrey look good. Hopefully that get the prison sentence they deserve when this gets proven without a doubt.
 
Patooka said:
With regards to "The number of cases of coronavirus in the US is dropping" narrative.


Well, this isn't suspicious at all.


When I started logging this data in a google spreadsheet, I was most particularly interested in how the estimates would change in those ten states that refused to enact shelter in place. How did the estimated deaths change for Iowa, Tennessee, Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, North Dakota, Kansas, Georgia, Alabama, and Wyoming. How has their going against the experts worked for them?

Fear not, people, because those ten Republican-governed states accounted for THE ENTIRE NATIONAL DROP. 11,188 fewer deaths from one week to the next.
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So the drop that Half-life is cheering about - yeah it's only happening in states that aren't imposing any sort of quarantine measures. Does that make sense to anybody else? And it's just a coincidence that the drop only occurs in states run by Republican Governors. Totally above board.

There's a 99.99% probability that at least some politicians are cooking the books on reported cases to make orange Joffrey look good. Hopefully that get the prison sentence they deserve when this gets proven without a doubt.
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It's unfortunate that you chose to quote the sentence in that column with a typo. He wrote Georgia twice and forgot Oklahoma. Still, rather suspicious isn't it.
 
zorq said:
Patooka said:
With regards to "The number of cases of coronavirus in the US is dropping" narrative.


Well, this isn't suspicious at all.


When I started logging this data in a google spreadsheet, I was most particularly interested in how the estimates would change in those ten states that refused to enact shelter in place. How did the estimated deaths change for Iowa, Tennessee, Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, North Dakota, Kansas, Georgia, Alabama, and Wyoming. How has their going against the experts worked for them?

Fear not, people, because those ten Republican-governed states accounted for THE ENTIRE NATIONAL DROP. 11,188 fewer deaths from one week to the next.
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So the drop that Half-life is cheering about - yeah it's only happening in states that aren't imposing any sort of quarantine measures. Does that make sense to anybody else? And it's just a coincidence that the drop only occurs in states run by Republican Governors. Totally above board.

There's a 99.99% probability that at least some politicians are cooking the books on reported cases to make orange Joffrey look good. Hopefully that get the prison sentence they deserve when this gets proven without a doubt.
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It's unfortunate that you chose to quote the sentence in that column with a typo. He wrote Georgia twice and forgot Oklahoma. Still, rather suspicious isn't it.
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If anything, the Governors of these states should share their secret of how they lowered the stats without social distancing or stay at home orders. Whatever they're doing apparently is working so maybe it should be rolled out nationwide. What do you have to lose?
 
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