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Yes, this is off topic, but do you people actually use paper checks? In the 21st century??

Yes, I do. What of it?!?

I don't own a cell phone, either.

I'm not saying (never have, never will) that my way is the only way, or any garbage like that, but it works for me.

No need to give me (or others like me) any grief for it, thanks.

Americans are weird. Cheques never gained much traction here, and what little ground they held, they were already loosing when cell phones were called "car phones" because they were too heavy and ran out of power too fast to carry them around outside the car, and only the most important business people had them.
 
Fox And Friends was running a phone poll on how Bonespurs is handling the crisis. #1 for yes, doing a good job, #2 for no. I called on my cell and got to register #2. I called again from my home phone and the number 2 option wasn't mentioned and it registered me as supporting Mango Unchained. Really calls into question any other Fox News poll.
 
Opinion | How Will the Coronavirus Affect Workers? Look At Past Plagues For a Hint - The New York Times - Author Walter Scheidel started with the Black Death, the bubonic-plague pandemic in the late Middle Ages that killed 1/3 of Europeans.
The wealthy found some of these changes alarming. In the words of an anonymous English chronicler, “Such a shortage of laborers ensued that the humble turned up their noses at employment, and could scarcely be persuaded to serve the eminent for triple wages.” Influential employers, such as large landowners, lobbied the English crown to pass the Ordinance of Laborers, which informed workers that they were “obliged to accept the employment offered” for the same measly wages as before.

But as successive waves of plague shrunk the work force, hired hands and tenants “took no notice of the king’s command,” as the Augustinian clergyman Henry Knighton complained. “If anyone wanted to hire them he had to submit to their demands, for either his fruit and standing corn would be lost or he had to pander to the arrogance and greed of the workers.”

As a result of this shift in the balance between labor and capital, we now know, thanks to painstaking research by economic historians, that real incomes of unskilled workers doubled across much of Europe within a few decades. According to tax records that have survived in the archives of many Italian towns, wealth inequality in most of these places plummeted. In England, workers ate and drank better than they did before the plague and even wore fancy furs that used to be reserved for their betters. At the same time, higher wages and lower rents squeezed landlords, many of whom failed to hold on to their inherited privilege. Before long, there were fewer lords and knights, endowed with smaller fortunes, than there had been when the plague first struck.
In Eastern Europe, like Prussia and Poland and Russia, nobles succeeded in locking down the peasants in serfdom, and in Egypt, the Mamluk rulers demanded the same rent as before, and the peasants revolted or moved away. Something similar happened nearly a millennium before, when the Byzantine Empire was afflicted with a great plague in 541, and Emperor Justinian denounced scarce workers demanding higher wages. But in Egypt, at least, workers' wages doubled and tripled.

But as populations recovered, the elites got back in control and forced down wages. In 19th cy. Europe, wealth disparities rose and rose until two big wars cut them down to size.
In looking for illumination from the past on our current pandemic, we must be wary of superficial analogies. Even in the worst-case scenario, Covid-19 will kill a far smaller share of the world’s population than any of these earlier disasters did, and it will touch the active work force and the next generation even more lightly. Labor won’t become scarce enough to drive up wages, nor will the value of real estate plummet. And our economies no longer rely on farmland and manual labor.
“The Great Leveler: Violence and the History of Inequality From the Stone Age to the Twenty-First Century.” -- societies become more unequal as elites hog more and more of the societies' wealth, and it usually takes some great disaster to level out society again. Plagues, revolutions, big wars, ...
 
Yes, this is off topic, but do you people actually use paper checks? In the 21st century??

Dude, the Air Force programs their nuculeer missiles with 7-inch floppy disks in cardboard sleeves.
Carbonless checks are actually examples of our more advanced habits. At least they're machine printed and electronically cashed!
 
Jacinda Ardern and New Zealand cabinet take pay cut over coronavirus - CNN
New Zealand's Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said she and her cabinet will take a 20% pay cut for the next six months because of the coronavirus pandemic.

"We acknowledge New Zealanders who are reliant on wage subsidies, taking pay cuts, and losing their jobs as a result of the Covid-19 global pandemic," Ardern said Wednesday in a news conference. "Today, I can confirm that myself and government ministers and public service chief executives will take a 20% pay cut for the next six months."

New Zealand has been praised for its response to the outbreak. Ardern shut the country's borders to foreign visitors on March 19 and announced a four-week lockdown on March 23, requiring all non-essential workers to stay at home except for grocery shopping or exercising nearby.

The country has carried out widespread testing and recorded 1,386 coronavirus cases and nine deaths, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University.
NZ has been very successful against the virus, though the Pacific Ocean forms a convenient moat for it. The nation has only a few entry spots - its main airports. For general international travel, Auckland and Christchurch, for Australia and Fiji, Dunedin and Queenstown and Wellington.
 
Women leaders are doing a great job at handling the pandemic. So why aren't there more of them? - CNN
In Taiwan, early intervention measures have controlled the coronavirus pandemic so successfully that it is now exporting millions of face masks to help the European Union and others.

Germany has overseen the largest-scale coronavirus testing program in Europe, conducting 350,000 tests each week, detecting the virus early enough to isolate and treat patients effectively.

In New Zealand, the prime minister took early action to shut down tourism and impose a month-long lockdown on the entire country, limiting coronavirus casualties to just nine deaths.
Their leaders are all female: President Tsai Ing-wen, Chancellor Angela Merkel, and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.
These countries -- all multi-party democracies with high levels of public trust in their governments -- have contained the pandemic through early, scientific intervention. They have implemented widespread testing, easy access to quality medical treatment, aggressive contact tracing and tough restrictions on social gatherings.
Four of the five Nordic countries are led by women, and all four of them have lower death rates than the rest of Europe. Prime Minister Katrín Jakobsdóttir of Iceland, Prime Minister Erna Solberg of Norway, Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen of Denmark, and Prime Minister Sanna Marin of Finland.
Contrast these interventionist responses with Sweden -- the only Nordic country not led by a woman -- where Prime Minister Stefan Löfven refused to impose a lockdown and has kept schools and businesses open. There, the death rate has soared far higher than in most other European countries.

Other female heads of state have also made headlines through their tough response to the coronavirus. Prime Minister Silveria Jacobs of Sint Maarten governs a tiny Caribbean island of just 41,000, but her no-nonsense video telling citizens to "simply stop moving" for two weeks has gone viral around the world.

"If you do not have the type of bread you like in your house, eat crackers. If you do not have bread, eat cereal. Eat oats," she says emphatically.
 
Some male leaders have been very good, like President Moon Jae-in of South Korea, and also Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York State and Governor Gavin Newsom of California and Governor Jay Inslee of Washington State. Though if one wants to get into US states, we must include Governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan as a good one.

"But many countries led by incompetent, science-denialist men have led to catastrophic coronavirus outbreaks"

US President Donald Trump is an obvious one, and we must include Prime Minister Boris Johnson of the UK, President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil, and I think also President Xi Jinping of China. In the US, Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida is a bad one, and I must note a bad female one: Governor Kristi Noem of South Dakota.

As to what might make female leaders so good, it may be that to overcome sexism, women have to be very good.
 
Some male leaders have been very good, like President Moon Jae-in of South Korea, and also Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York State and Governor Gavin Newsom of California and Governor Jay Inslee of Washington State. Though if one wants to get into US states, we must include Governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan as a good one.

"But many countries led by incompetent, science-denialist men have led to catastrophic coronavirus outbreaks"

US President Donald Trump is an obvious one, and we must include Prime Minister Boris Johnson of the UK, President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil, and I think also President Xi Jinping of China. In the US, Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida is a bad one, and I must note a bad female one: Governor Kristi Noem of South Dakota.

As to what might make female leaders so good, it may be that to overcome sexism, women have to be very good.

But if they all said tomorrow, "we identify as men!" then you guys wold be saying, "these men did a great job!"
 
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis keeps hitting new lows in his state's battle against coronavirus - CNNPolitics
The past few months have not been particularly good for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

His utter lack of decisiveness and his misstatements in dealing with the state's ongoing fight against coronavirus has drawn him lots and lots of attention -- none of it good.
Among the mistakes DeSantis has made, according to the op-ed: Not closing down the state's beaches as spring breakers partied last month, not yet approving retroactive unemployment benefits for those who have lost their jobs and pushing hydroxychloroquine, a still unproven drug to treat coronavirus. (Hydroxychloroquine is also being heavily pushed by President Donald Trump, the man to whom DeSantis, a Republican, owes his governorship.)

He has also declared the WWE, professional wrestling, an "essential" business.
Florida's surgeon general Scott Rivkees said that social distancing and mask-wearing should continue in Florida until a vaccine for coronavirus is approved. (That is likely to be a year or so from now.) Rivkees was almost immediately then "whisked away" by the governor's spokeswoman, according to the Tampa Bay Times.

Coronavirus cases skyrocket in South Dakota
South Dakota’s coronavirus cases have begun to soar after its governor steadfastly refused to mandate a quarantine.

The number of confirmed cases in the state has risen from 129 to 988 since April 1 — when Gov. Kristi Noem criticized the “draconian measures” of social distancing to stop the spread of the virus in her state
South Dakota governor says stay-at-home order would not have prevented Smithfield coronavirus outbreak - CNN
As of Tuesday, 438 Smithfield workers in Sioux Falls had tested positive for coronavirus, and the plant, one of the country's largest pork processing facilities, is shut down indefinitely. But Noem said a shelter-in-place order targeted only at the surrounding community would not be coming from her office.

...
Noem is one of a handful of governors who has refused to issue a stay-at-home order, rejecting a request from Sioux Falls Mayor Paul TenHaken.
 
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis keeps hitting new lows in his state's battle against coronavirus - CNNPolitics

Among the mistakes DeSantis has made, according to the op-ed: Not closing down the state's beaches as spring breakers partied last month, not yet approving retroactive unemployment benefits for those who have lost their jobs and pushing hydroxychloroquine, a still unproven drug to treat coronavirus. (Hydroxychloroquine is also being heavily pushed by President Donald Trump, the man to whom DeSantis, a Republican, owes his governorship.)

He has also declared the WWE, professional wrestling, an "essential" business.


Coronavirus cases skyrocket in South Dakota
South Dakota’s coronavirus cases have begun to soar after its governor steadfastly refused to mandate a quarantine.

The number of confirmed cases in the state has risen from 129 to 988 since April 1 — when Gov. Kristi Noem criticized the “draconian measures” of social distancing to stop the spread of the virus in her state
South Dakota governor says stay-at-home order would not have prevented Smithfield coronavirus outbreak - CNN
As of Tuesday, 438 Smithfield workers in Sioux Falls had tested positive for coronavirus, and the plant, one of the country's largest pork processing facilities, is shut down indefinitely. But Noem said a shelter-in-place order targeted only at the surrounding community would not be coming from her office.

...
Noem is one of a handful of governors who has refused to issue a stay-at-home order, rejecting a request from Sioux Falls Mayor Paul TenHaken.

See? This all shows that it doesn't matter if you guys think Trump waited too long to do something. The governors and states would've made their own decisions anyway.

Can't blame Trump.

Trump is trying to enact more measures by working bipartisan. The Dems are blocking him again.
 
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See? This all shows that it doesn't matter if you guys think Trump waited too long to do something. The governors and states would've made their own decisions anyway.

Can't blame Trump.
Yes, we can. We can blame him for stuff he TRIED to do, but someone stopped him.

We can blame him for NOT using his influence (as opposed to absolute authoritarian power, like you wanted to grant him) to ask others to do the right thing.

We can even blame him if he did the right thing for the wrong reasons. Like shutting down his fake university, admitting it was a scam, and repaying his victims. Right thing to do, but only because he was successfully prosecuted. So, still blame, no points earned.

And ehen he denies sayingbthings he said? 2x blame. Blame for contradicting himself AND blame for lying.
 
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis keeps hitting new lows in his state's battle against coronavirus - CNNPolitics

Among the mistakes DeSantis has made, according to the op-ed: Not closing down the state's beaches as spring breakers partied last month, not yet approving retroactive unemployment benefits for those who have lost their jobs and pushing hydroxychloroquine, a still unproven drug to treat coronavirus. (Hydroxychloroquine is also being heavily pushed by President Donald Trump, the man to whom DeSantis, a Republican, owes his governorship.)

He has also declared the WWE, professional wrestling, an "essential" business.


Coronavirus cases skyrocket in South Dakota

South Dakota governor says stay-at-home order would not have prevented Smithfield coronavirus outbreak - CNN

See? This all shows that it doesn't matter if you guys think Trump waited too long to do something. The governors and states would've made their own decisions anyway.

Can't blame Trump.

Trump is trying to enact more measures by working bipartisan. The Dems are blocking him again.

1) You must be naive as fuck if you believe the Governors who are putting their people at risk wouldn't have changed their tune if Trump provided a different narrative. Governors like De Santis are motivated solely by how far they can crawl up Trump's rectum before the canary dies.
2) You must be naive as fuck if you think Trump cares one iota about his abuses of power and overreach.
3) You must be naive as fuck if you think Democrats are the ones being partisan when Trump has hijacked daily briefings and distorted them into self promoting campaign promotions. There is also the minor detail that cunts like Hannity and Trump for fucking months described this pandemic as a Democrat hoax. "Bipartisan" my arse.

Reality is an abstract term for you isn't it? Just something other people talk about but have never really seen.
 
Trump tries to bully India, and gets called out for his shit

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/_i0uCmsdsLk[/YOUTUBE]
 
Ilhan Omar on Twitter: "Unacceptable.
We must cancel every penny of our healthcare workers’ student debt NOW. And wipe out the rest while we’re at it. https://t.co/Hj0tjwaTn2" / Twitter

noting
These medical workers are tackling the coronavirus. They're also saddled with student debt. - "The roughly $1.7 trillion student debt crisis was around long before the pandemic. But some medical workers say now is the time for Congress to fix the system."
Now is the time, those beleaguered health care professionals say, for Congress to provide meaningful relief, such as total loan forgiveness, in the vein of other legislation crafted following a national tragedy — as with first responders who were financially compensated after falling ill in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

"They say we're at war, and we are putting our lives on the line," said Dr. Andrew Tisser, an emergency room physician in upstate New York who has treated patients with COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

... The average debt of a graduating medical student is nearly $201,500, according to 2019 data from the Association of American Medical Colleges, a nonprofit that administers the Medical College Admission Test, or MCAT.

China's coronavirus public-relations war is backfiring in the West - The Washington Post
President Xi Jinping held a flurry of phone calls with world leaders to promise aid. More than 170 Chinese medical experts were dispatched to Europe, Southeast Asia and Africa. State media outlets flooded the Internet with photos of Chinese masks arriving in 100 countries and stories questioning the pandemic’s origins. Ambassadors inundated international newspapers with op-eds hailing the sacrifices Beijing made to buy time for other countries, without acknowledging how the outbreak erupted in the first place.

One month later, that campaign has yielded mixed results. In many cases, it has outright backfired.
Hah! Serves them right.
“They know when the dust settles and people turn their eye toward whether Beijing was responsible, it’s going to be a very difficult situation,” said Nadège Rolland, a senior fellow at the National Bureau of Asian Research, who described China’s globe-spanning, hard-sell campaign in recent weeks as public relations “on steroids.”

“They’re trying to get ahead of that narrative” of blame, Rolland added. “It’s as much out of fear as it is confidence.”
Disinformation -- like insinuate that US military personnel brought in the virus.
 
Yes, this is off topic, but do you people actually use paper checks? In the 21st century??

Yes, I do. What of it?!?

I don't own a cell phone, either.

I'm not saying (never have, never will) that my way is the only way, or any garbage like that, but it works for me.

No need to give me (or others like me) any grief for it, thanks.

Americans are weird. Cheques never gained much traction here, and what little ground they held, they were already loosing when cell phones were called "car phones" because they were too heavy and ran out of power too fast to carry them around outside the car, and only the most important business people had them.

American banking and personal finance is stuck firmly in the 1960s. This is because anything more secure would reduce fraud freedom.
 
Donald Trump has pointed out that he has the absolute and ultimate authority to order states to reopen their economies. Now that his plan has come out, he has lowered the boom. Henceforth, governors will be forced to reopen their states when they feel the time is right. All indications are that those governors have all caved and are now following Donald Trump's command to do what they want.

White House draft plan to reopen economy would advise some areas to lift restrictions after May 1
 
CaseStudyQB on Twitter: "ABC - #TheView - @aoc asked about how the democratic socialist agenda has been at the forefront of the #CoronavirusPandemic https://t.co/mswEILiIOT" / Twitter - she notices how people become in favor of something that they had rejected when they themselves benefit from it, like easily affordable healthcare and same-sex marriage.

The View on Twitter: "@AOC MORE: Rep. @AOC on coronavirus impacting minority communities disproportionately: “We have to take responsibility for those inequities and we have to make sure we respond to it, not with a personal choice, but with public policy.” https://t.co/tV50yC7vk3" / Twitter

The View on Twitter: ".@AOC on surgeon general singling out minorities to “step it up” and “avoid alcohol, tobacco, and drugs”: “That’s not why there is such a high incidence of coronavirus that is impacting these communities disproportionately — it is systemic inequality.” [url]https://t.co/KLrtwblAEX https://t.co/ExQRctOBwf" / Twitter[/url]
She noticed that certain people only start talking about personal responsibility when it is black people who get the disease at higher rates, and not when it's old people who do so.

Public Citizen on Twitter: ".@AOC: The Bronx has a coronavirus mortality rate that is twice the level of the rest of New York City. https://t.co/I0riV03PKa" / Twitter
She concedes that smoking is something that one should avoid doing, but she also notes a correlation between asthma rates and COVID-19 vulnerability.
 
Fact check...........................Biden has not directly said that the restrictions were xenophobic.

Around the time the Trump administration announced the travel restriction, Biden said that Trump had a “record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering.”

Biden used the phrase “xenophobic” in reply to a Trump tweet about limiting entry to travelers from China and in which Trump described the coronavirus as the “Chinese virus.” Biden did not spell out which part of Trump’s tweet was xenophobic.
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...whether-biden-called-trump-xenophobi/#sources

OK, so in support of your claim, you cite a source that describes your claim as "mostly false".

That aside, Trump never blocked travel from China. He blocked non-US citizens from travelling directly from China to the US, but US citizens and residents could still enter - in theory with health checks, in practice those were often non-existent.

Unless you believe Americans are naturally immune against the disease, that's not going to stop a virus (and if you do believe that, there isn't much need to stop it...).

Get your mask ready as I'm bringing out the anti vampire mirror and garlic again. https://gellerreport.com/2020/04/trumps-vs-dems-corona.html/

Coronavirus Timeline: What the President Did vs. What the Democrats Did
 
Donald Trump has pointed out that he has the absolute and ultimate authority to order states to reopen their economies. Now that his plan has come out, he has lowered the boom. Henceforth, governors will be forced to reopen their states when they feel the time is right. All indications are that those governors have all caved and are now following Donald Trump's command to do what they want.

White House draft plan to reopen economy would advise some areas to lift restrictions after May 1

May 1? Very unlikely. More like May 1 2021 at best! This pandemic has a long way to go yet, it's only in it's infancy atm.
 
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