Trump’s Dictatorship, what will it actually look like?

[Politesse]

Investigating the known, public political goals of those you appoint to high office is a minimal responsibility of any leader.

Oh, no. Trump doesn't do responsibility. Never has, never will.

He delegates it. The higher you are in the hierarchy of one of his organizations, the more likely you are to spend some time in jail.

Once he has pardon power again only those he wants in jail will be in jail.

Also the jail be like:

 

[Loren Pechtel]

J.D. didn't say anything in the clip about banning abortion or defunding SS and MC.

Something seems amiss with this Project 2025 (I admit I haven't done a deep dive into it, though, given that it is 900+ pages long and I have a life).

I came across this earlier in my news feed, though:

Viral Claims About Project 2025 Are Mostly False

That article is horrendously biased.

Yes, most of the claims are technically "false"--the Project 2025 website mostly talks in generalities and most of the claims about it are the result of combining what they say with what they have already said elsewhere. You have to put the puzzle pieces together to see the true picture.

Someone enlighten me as to who I should believe about Project 2025. Is Robert Reich just confused about what's in it? Is he flat out lying? Or maybe that infographic isn't even from him? Or is it a fake? Is there a better source?

A guide to Project 2025, the extreme right-wing agenda for the next Republican administration

Project 2025, a comprehensive transition plan organized by right-wing think tank The Heritage Foundation to guide the next GOP presidential administration, is the conservative movement’s most robust policy and staffing proposal for a potential second Trump White House — and its extreme agenda...

www.mediamatters.org

 

[Elixir]

“ensure that all HHS programs and activities are rooted in a deep respect for innocent human life from day one until natural death”

Yeah, that doesn’t say “Nationwide ban on abortion.
But you’d have to be brain dead to think that this SCOTUS won’t determine that the day of conception is “day one” and it will be a nationwide ban on abortion.

There is similar slimy language throughout that article from The Dispatch (which I never heard of, but that doesn’t mean anything). It is obviously trying to excuse/obfuscate the truth about the intent behind Project 2025.

 

[Elixir]

as specific examples are never given

There's plenty of specific examples. You just avoid seeing them.

Trump wants to have Lynn Cheney and the rest of the J6 committee arrested, charged with treason, and tried in a military tribunal, for starters.

He wants to be a dictator but only for the first day in office. When has a dictator ever voluntarily just stopped being a dictator?

Swiz can’t address that, he can only complain about how horrible he is told Biden is.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Time and time again a few posters on here bang on about how Trump will act as a dictator. Such hyperbole I say as specific examples are never given.

So what will this dictatorship actually look like? How will I be impacted by the evil orange man with the goofy barnett.

Trump Tells Christians They Won’t Have to Vote in Future: ‘We’ll Have It Fixed’

During an event in Florida, the former president urged attendees to vote and said that if reelected, they "won’t have to do it anymore"

www.yahoo.com

 

[Elixir]

Swiz writes a flame baiting OP, gets eviscerated and pops back in with a couple of sentence fragments about TDS (from ‘em which he seems to suffer mightily) then disappears from his thread.
It’s like something that begins with a “t” and ends with rolling.

 

[ideologyhunter]

"We're gonna win so much that you're gonna get sick and tired of winning."
(MAGA crowd erupts.)

New edition needed of Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds (1841)

 

[TSwizzle]

Someone enlighten me as to who I should believe about Project 2025. Is Robert Reich just confused about what's in it? Is he flat out lying? Or maybe that infographic isn't even from him? Or is it a fake? Is there a better source?

Does it matter? The project 2025 is irrelevant. The only time it is brought up is by the unhinged conspiracy theorists.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Someone enlighten me as to who I should believe about Project 2025. Is Robert Reich just confused about what's in it? Is he flat out lying? Or maybe that infographic isn't even from him? Or is it a fake? Is there a better source?

Does it matter? The project 2025 is irrelevant. The only time it is brought up is by the unhinged conspiracy theorists.

Just because conservative sources aren't mentioning it doesn't mean it's only conspiracy theorists.

Do you think Agenda 47 isn't The Felon's plan?? And it's basically just Project 2025 with extra shit.

 

[Toni]

Specifics are thin on the ground, unhinged rants are all I have seen.

Get it straight from the horse's mouth:

https://www.project2025.org/

Oh, wait, they're afraid to spell it out.
You have to BUY a BOOK (900 pages) to find out what they are actually planning.

Why do you think that is?
I couldn't possibly be because the people who have waded through it are so alarmed that even Donal Trump denies having anything to do with it even though it's all his past employees and supporters who put it together and buried it in 900 pages of bullshit..

Trump actual SAYS: “I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous"

So... never heard of it, knows nothing about it but knows he disagrees with "some" of it and passes judgment on it.
How can that be?
Oh right, he's just a liar.
He either does or does not know anything about Project 2025 - it can'[t be both.
And since it's a bunch of his guys, his feigned ignorance rings pretty hollow.

If you actually dared learn about it you could, but you'd call anyone who reads it, "unhinged".
Give it a try. Here;'s a partial synopsis:

Project 2025 does not directly suggest a federal ban on abortion. But it does recommend that the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) should no longer consider abortion a form of health care and considerably limit access to other reproductive care.

Project 2025 authors recommend establishing federal policies that would limit access to contraception, restrict access to abortion and eliminate federal funding to healthcare providers who perform abortions. The initiative also proposes new directives that would allow more employers to opt out of birth control coverage as part of insurance plans.

Project 2025 recommends defunding Planned Parenthood and similar organizations, and disqualifying Planned Parenthood from Medicaid and federal grant programs. It also recommends limiting access to Plan B, and prohibiting pharmacies from distributing abortion medication.

According to an analysis by the Center for American Progress (CAP), a left-leaning think tank, if Project 2025 were enacted, nearly 48 million women of reproductive age would lose guaranteed no-cost access to emergency contraception.

Homeland security, immigration and the border wall

Project 2025’s plan re-enacts Trump-era policies regarding border enforcement, detention for kids and families in tent cities, deportations and building the border wall.

It also calls for the dismantling of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the creation of the “Border Security and Immigration Agency,” among other reorganized departments. The plan says this new agency would direct customs officers to take into custody any undocumented person who has records of felonies, crimes of violence, DUIs, or “any other crime that is considered a national security” threat.

This would require congressional approval. The Constitution says Congress holds the legislative power to create new offices, but the president would still retain some authority to appoint figures in those offices.

Project 2025 calls for the end of the Flores Settlement Agreement, which outlines protection and standard of care for immigrant children while in U.S. custody. Instead, the plan says Congress should focus on setting new nationwide terms, which would allow for temporary housing and detainment facilities, including tents, which are not currently allowed.

RELATED: Claim about Coors, Walmart and Exxon’s ties to Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 need context

Taxes and the IRS

Project 2025 reimagines the tax system in the United States. It recommends replacing the current tax code with either a flat 15% or 30% income tax rate on individuals, and an unspecified standard deduction. The U.S. currently has seven federal income tax brackets, with rates of 10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35% and 37%.

The plan recommends taxing all capital gains and dividends at 15%, and cutting corporate income tax rates from 20% to 18%. Other taxes for multinational corporations would also be repealed or reduced.

The Constitution gives Congress the power to tax, which means any changes to the tax code would have to be conducted through congressional legislation.

Project 2025 proposes increasing the number of political appointees to the IRS while reducing the staff and freezing the budget. It also calls for the abolishment of the Federal Reserve.

‘MAGA loyalists’ in administration

Project 2025 proposes that there is a legal path to allow for the firing of as many as 50,000 federal employees that may not be considered “conservative” enough.

Project 2025 recommends reinstating Schedule F — a Trump-era executive order that would reclassify tens of thousands of the two million federal employees as essentially at-will workers who could more easily be fired. Trump signed the executive order toward the end of his term and it was rescinded after President Joe Biden took office.

On April 4, 2024, the U.S. Office of Personnel Management (OPM), which manages federal workers, issued an order making it harder for any president to make loyalty hires. Changing this rule would take several months.

The positions would be filled with people previously vetted for conservative credentials and included in a database, referred to by the Heritage Foundation as the “Conservative LinkedIn.”

The Tax Policy Center says some of the Project 2025 plans outlined would, more broadly, “centralize control of the federal bureaucracy in the White House, freeze hiring, and give the president broad authority to fire federal workers.”

On July 2, during an interview with Real America’s Voice, a far-right news outlet, Heritage Foundation Director Kevin Roberts referenced Project 2025 and the process of “taking the country back” from the “radical left.”

"We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be,” Roberts said in the interview.

Education and schools

Project 2025 authors recommend that the Department of Education be completely eliminated in order to “empower students and families, not government.”

There is no recommendation for public schools to be eliminated, a claim some VERIFY readers asked us about, but federal and state lawmakers are encouraged to pass legislation that would allow parents to determine curriculum.

Project 2025 recommends that critical race theory and gender ideology should be removed from every public school in the country.

It also urges state and federal lawmakers to pass legislation that would give parents the right to sue for damages if their children are being taught something without prior consent.

Project 2025 advocates for federal legislation that could prohibit schools from using names and pronouns that do not match the student’s sex assigned at birth without a parent's consent.

VERIFY didn’t find any specific reference that advocates for arming teachers in Project 2025’s blueprint, as a meme implied. However, the Heritage Foundation has been a long-time advocate of school safety initiatives that promote having armed resource officers.

Project 2025 and the U.S. Constitution

The Project 2025 plan doesn’t mention changing the Constitution and the authors argue they share a strong commitment to upholding and adhering to the Constitution. The plan calls for getting the U.S. government “back to something resembling the original Constitutional intent” through a smaller, limited government.

In fact, because of the way the Constitution established the federal government, not all recommendations in Project 2025 can be made unilaterally and without oversight.

An executive order by the president does have significant authority, but it doesn’t give the president the power to override laws or bypass Congress. Executive orders can also be challenged in court. Through the system of checks and balances, the judicial branch of the government can strike down executive orders that are found to be unconstitutional or beyond the president’s authority.

A president, in most cases, also doesn’t have the authority to make presidential appointments without oversight. According to the American Constitution Society, top-level, senior positions that include the heads of most major agencies require Senate approval. Presidential appointments that don’t require Senate approval are positions within the Executive Office of the President that includes White House aides, advisors and key assistants.

It says things to the effect that an executive order by the president doesn’t give the president the power to override laws or bypass Congress. Take comfort in the fact that SCOTUS JUST TOOK CARE OF THAT LITTLE INCONVENIENCE!
Do you hold any CDs, @TSwizzle? These clowns want to do away with the Fed, which will mean no more FDIC insurance. And banks will be de-regulated so they can pump and dump more easily at your expense.
Just a couple of minor tidbits. How do you like it so far?

The thing is, I 100% believe that Trump doesn’t know what is in it. 900 pages? Abd you have to pay for it? So not Trump.

Trump either does not recognize or is so afraid of going to prison that he’s willing to overlook that he’s being run as a figurehead for a bunch of right wing religious nuts and bigots, racists, and sexist who want to return the world to 1950 and are more than willing to go to war over it.

 

[Politesse]

It’s like something that begins with a “t” and ends with rolling.

"Trump is controlling"?

 

[RamblingFool]

I got half way through that TDS diatribe before I gave up.

OH PLZ! Every criticism of Trump is dismissed as TDS. THAT canard is so old, I am shocked ANYONE still uses it.
It comes down to this:

• #141

Go ahead, and click on that number. I have debated Trumpers, and it is always the same ole story. No criticism is allowed. THAT is the very definition of a cult.

Now, about this stupid acronym of TDS, it actually DOES exist, just not the way you think of it. THIS is actually what TDS stands for:

 

[ideologyhunter]

What's the expression? 'You can lead a whore to water, but you can't make her think.'
Somethin' like that.

 

[RamblingFool]

Someone enlighten me as to who I should believe about Project 2025.

Why? It's all opinion. Why not ACTUALLY read up on what Project 2025 is about?

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Mind you, a lot of reading, and you have to get past the first few pages to get into the meat of the matter. But at least THEN you will know what is in Project 2025.

 

[TSwizzle]

Someone enlighten me as to who I should believe about Project 2025.

{snip}. Why not ACTUALLY read up on what Project 2025 is about?

Project 2025 is irrelevant.

 

[RamblingFool]

Someone enlighten me as to who I should believe about Project 2025.

{snip}. Why not ACTUALLY read up on what Project 2025 is about?

Project 2025 is irrelevant.

I agree, but SOMEONE I was replying to is asking what interpretation other people have on Project 2025 when they can get the answer by reading what is contained in the document.

 

[thebeave]

Someone enlighten me as to who I should believe about Project 2025.

Why? It's all opinion. Why not ACTUALLY read up on what Project 2025 is about?

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Mind you, a lot of reading, and you have to get past the first few pages to get into the meat of the matter. But at least THEN you will know what is in Project 2025.

Seriously? I have, at best, only a passing interest in it at this point. I posted a link earlier to a critique/fact check of P2025 claims by Robert Reich in post #42 (which describes it as "mostly false"), and no one here has seriously challenged it. Perhaps if the critics of P2025 had been making at least an honest attempt at summarizing what is actually in it, I would look into it more. I will be happy to take a look at a short summary of P2025, if it passes the smell test. But I'm not going to read a 900 page document that would take me many days to get through. Hell, I won't take the time to watch a 1 hour video that anyone posts here, much less read a document that gives a James Michener length book a run for its money.

Even Kamala Harris is telling lies about P2025:

Fact check: Harris falsely claims Project 2025 blueprint calls for cutting Social Security

ETA: You know its gotta be an obvious whopper of a lie if left-leaning CNN is calling it out.

 

[RamblingFool]

Someone enlighten me as to who I should believe about Project 2025.

Why? It's all opinion. Why not ACTUALLY read up on what Project 2025 is about?

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Mind you, a lot of reading, and you have to get past the first few pages to get into the meat of the matter. But at least THEN you will know what is in Project 2025.

Seriously? I have, at best, only a passing interest in it at this point. I posted a link earlier to a critique/fact check of P2025 claims by Robert Reich in post #42, and no one here has seriously challenged it. Perhaps if the critics of P2025 had been making at least an honest attempt at summarizing what is actually in it, I would look into it more. I will be happy to take a look at a short summary of P2025, if it passes the smell test. But I'm not going to read a 900 page document that would take me many days to get through. Hell, I won't take the time to watch a 1 hour video that anyone posts here, much less read a document that gives a James Michener length book a run for its money.

Even Kamala Harris is telling lies about P2025:

Fact check: Harris falsely claims Project 2025 blueprint calls for cutting Social Security

IF you are so upset about the interpretations of Robert Reich, or Kamala Harris, then do your own reading. I just browsed through the PDF files, I didn't need to read word for word. If you want to know what is contained within the document so you don't have to rely on the pundits, then browse through it.
If, as you say you only have a "passing interest" in what the document contains then HOW can you possible know if Kamala's assessment is inaccurate. You claim she is telling lies about P2025 but have only a "passing interest" in what it is all about? Kinda contradictory statements.
MY BET is that you do have MORE than a passing interest but like to making disparaging remarks about anyone who is critical of P2025.

Like, sheesh already!

 

[Toni]

It’s like something that begins with a “t” and ends with rolling.

"Trump is controlling"?

Maybe he is, maybe not. I think the people behind his campaign are pretty dead serious.

Trump has a history of saying things for shock value—but that does not mean he won’t try to make them happen. And now he has a mah

Someone enlighten me as to who I should believe about Project 2025.

{snip}. Why not ACTUALLY read up on what Project 2025 is about?

Project 2025 is irrelevant.

Thankfully, it is. Because Trump will lose. Bigly.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

It’s like something that begins with a “t” and ends with rolling.

"Trump is controlling"?

Maybe he is, maybe not. I think the people behind his campaign are pretty dead serious.

Trump has a history of saying things for shock value—but that does not mean he won’t try to make them happen. And now he has a mah

Someone enlighten me as to who I should believe about Project 2025.

{snip}. Why not ACTUALLY read up on what Project 2025 is about?

Project 2025 is irrelevant.

Thankfully, it is. Because Trump will lose. Bigly.

He's just there to say what the base wants to hear, the people he has behind him deliver it.