Was Jesus a jerk?

[No Robots]

^Cultural catholic? Reaaaally? Turn your back on your Saviour and his cause? Typical.

 

[TomC]

^Cultural catholic? Reaaaally? Turn your back on your Saviour and his cause? Typical.

Jesus started the RCC.
Just ask them, they'll tell you all about Pope Peter I.

Jesus was a Catholic.
Tom

ETA ~Oh wait.
Maybe I misunderstood your insult. Perhaps you're faulting me for becoming an agnostic Catholic, instead of a theological Christian? I dunno.~

 

[No Robots]

Evil? How about this: the universe and life are random, love is neurobiology, economics is exploitation, death is permanent void? Now, that’s fucking evil.

 

[No Robots]

^Cultural catholic? Reaaaally? Turn your back on your Saviour and his cause? Typical.

Jesus started the RCC.
Just ask them, they'll tell you all about Pope Peter I.

Jesus was a Catholic.
Tom

ETA ~Oh wait.
Maybe I misunderstood your insult. Perhaps you're faulting me for becoming an agnostic Catholic, instead of a theological Christian? I dunno.~

The Catholic Church has been getting Jesus wrong for over two millennia. You're just part of the pattern.

 

[steve_bank]

The message of the gospel Jesus was essentially bare your burden whatever it is, believe in me and spend an entirety in heaven.

Paul said if you are a slave be a credit to your master. Be obedient.

The gospel Jesus was definitely not a social reformer.

Message to the poor.

The assumed authority of the RCC and moral supremacy of the pope is a claim that the line of popes traces back to Peter as the bishop of Rome.

 

[No Robots]

Jesus was the Messiah. He was ready, willing and able to take up arms against Rome and the whole order of exploitation. He was two thousand years ahead of his time. We now have the tools to bring his vision to fruition, thanks to the work of men like Spinoza and Marx.

 

[TomC]

^Cultural catholic? Reaaaally? Turn your back on your Saviour and his cause? Typical.

Jesus started the RCC.
Just ask them, they'll tell you all about Pope Peter I.

Jesus was a Catholic.
Tom

ETA ~Oh wait.
Maybe I misunderstood your insult. Perhaps you're faulting me for becoming an agnostic Catholic, instead of a theological Christian? I dunno.~

The Catholic Church has been getting Jesus wrong for over two millennia. You're just part of the pattern.

So, Waton has inspired you to declare yourself my enemy.

Got it.

Guess what? I'm not interested in your particular flavor of Jewish Communism or whatever, because you've demonstrated to my satisfaction that it's evil. Deliberately and consciously choosing self indulgent immortality.

Oh well, it's nothing new.
Tom

 

[No Robots]

^Nothing personal. Just business. Who knows? Maybe you'll have a change of heart and come over to the side of the angels.

 

[TomC]

^Nothing personal. Just business. Who knows? Maybe you'll have a change of heart and come over to the side of the angels.

Perhaps you don't understand.

Declaring war on me because I find your ethics odious is the kind of Christianity I've come to abhor.

IIDB member Learner and I seriously disagree about a good many things. Christian theology and ethics mostly. But while we disagree I don't find Learner evil at all, we just disagree. I like Learner, I like people who I can argue with and still respect.

You and Waton I find actively evil.

Tom

 

[Thomas II]

Jesus was the Messiah. He was ready, willing and able to take up arms against Rome and the whole order of exploitation. He was two thousand years ahead of his time. We now have the tools to bring his vision to fruition, thanks to the work of men like Spinoza and Marx.

John 18:36
Jesus says "My kingdom is not of this world".
He is stating he's not a political Messiah! He tells that to Pontius Pilate!
That statement contradicts what you're saying...

 

[No Robots]

See, the reactionaries, particularly of the liberal kind, want a certain gentility, something that soothes and flatters, and doesn't threaten any disruption in their material existence or in the composition of their egos. This is one of the main things they hate in Jesus, that he doesn't flatter them, he doesn't keep to the rules of civil debate and he threatens to overturn the established order of things. Q.E.D.

 

[No Robots]

Jesus was the Messiah. He was ready, willing and able to take up arms against Rome and the whole order of exploitation. He was two thousand years ahead of his time. We now have the tools to bring his vision to fruition, thanks to the work of men like Spinoza and Marx.

John 18:36
Jesus says "My kingdom is not of this world".
He is stating he's not a political Messiah! He tells that to Pontius Pilate!
That statement contradicts what you're saying...

My kingdom is not of this world, this world of exploitation and hate, and so I will build a new world, the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

 

[No Robots]

Oh, and there is nothing that the reactionaries love more than to call Jesus and his earnest disciples immoral.

 

[Thomas II]

Jesus was the Messiah. He was ready, willing and able to take up arms against Rome and the whole order of exploitation. He was two thousand years ahead of his time. We now have the tools to bring his vision to fruition, thanks to the work of men like Spinoza and Marx.

John 18:36
Jesus says "My kingdom is not of this world".
He is stating he's not a political Messiah! He tells that to Pontius Pilate!
That statement contradicts what you're saying...

My kingdom is not of this world, this world of exploitation and hate, and so I will build a new world, the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

Correct! But remember that he is stating that his kingdom is from another realm. It is powerfully at work within the world, but it does not receive its marching orders from the present rulers of the world...

 

[No Robots]

Correct! But remember that he is stating that his kingdom is from another realm. It is powerfully at work within the world, but it does not receive its marching orders from the present rulers of the world...

There is only one realm: the world. And the world is to be transformed from the one built by its present rulers to the one built by Jesus, the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. God is not of another realm. He is the whole of existence. His plan is to make the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Christ is the lynchpin of this work.

 

[steve_bank]

Jesus was the Messiah. He was ready, willing and able to take up arms against Rome and the whole order of exploitation. He was two thousand years ahead of his time. We now have the tools to bring his vision to fruition, thanks to the work of men like Spinoza and Marx.

John 18:36
Jesus says "My kingdom is not of this world".
He is stating he's not a political Messiah! He tells that to Pontius Pilate!
That statement contradicts what you're saying...

My kingdom is not of this world, this world of exploitation and hate, and so I will build a new world, the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

Pure invention, Jesus is the ultimate Rorschach Test.

People project themselves into the loosely framed Jesus of the gospels.

The issue s not ta Jesus was immoral. The isssuefor me is that the mroality claied by Chrtians is not really defined in the gospels and a lot of immorality has resuted form how peole imagine Jesus, and authority derived thereof.

The Christian hypocrisy is in ignoring the gospel inconsistencies, for which Christians just fill in the blanks.

As to Jesus as I said turning water into wine at a party as a son of a god is pretty petty all thngs considered. He coud have set up a food bank or medical clinic.

 

[TomC]

Jesus was the Messiah. He was ready, willing and able to take up arms against Rome and the whole order of exploitation. He was two thousand years ahead of his time. We now have the tools to bring his vision to fruition, thanks to the work of men like Spinoza and Marx.

John 18:36
Jesus says "My kingdom is not of this world".
He is stating he's not a political Messiah! He tells that to Pontius Pilate!
That statement contradicts what you're saying...

My kingdom is not of this world, this world of exploitation and hate, and so I will build a new world, the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

Correct! But remember that he is stating that his kingdom is from another realm. It is powerfully at work within the world, but it does not receive its marching orders from the present rulers of the world...

Nobody knows what Jesus said about anything. All we've got are stories told about what somebody thinks Jesus might have said. All the stories have been filtered through the preferences of the Greco-Roman elite, especially since the 4th century.

There's not even enough evidence to demonstrate that Jesus is one person with any certainty.
Tom

 

[Thomas II]

Correct! But remember that he is stating that his kingdom is from another realm. It is powerfully at work within the world, but it does not receive its marching orders from the present rulers of the world...

There is only one realm: the world. And the world is to be transformed from the one built by its present rulers to the one built by Jesus, the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. God is not of another realm. He is the whole of existence. His plan is to make the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Christ is the lynchpin of this work.

“My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world”

Jesus was the Messiah. He was ready, willing and able to take up arms against Rome and the whole order of exploitation. He was two thousand years ahead of his time. We now have the tools to bring his vision to fruition, thanks to the work of men like Spinoza and Marx.

John 18:36
Jesus says "My kingdom is not of this world".
He is stating he's not a political Messiah! He tells that to Pontius Pilate!
That statement contradicts what you're saying...

My kingdom is not of this world, this world of exploitation and hate, and so I will build a new world, the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

Correct! But remember that he is stating that his kingdom is from another realm. It is powerfully at work within the world, but it does not receive its marching orders from the present rulers of the world...

Nobody knows what Jesus said about anything. All we've got are stories told about what somebody thinks Jesus might have said. All the stories have been filtered through the preferences of the Greco-Roman elite, especially since the 4th century.

There's not even enough evidence to demonstrate that Jesus is one person with any certainty.
Tom

That is another issue. I'm trying to argue about what John 18:36 says...

 

[Thomas II]

Correct! But remember that he is stating that his kingdom is from another realm. It is powerfully at work within the world, but it does not receive its marching orders from the present rulers of the world...

There is only one realm: the world. And the world is to be transformed from the one built by its present rulers to the one built by Jesus, the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. God is not of another realm. He is the whole of existence. His plan is to make the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Christ is the lynchpin of this work.

“My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world”

https://www.powerthesaurus.org/in_a...r realm&text=Any or some; any different,realm

 

[No Robots]

^Waton:

When Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world, it was foolishly assumed by his followers that Jesus referred to a kingdom somewhere in heaven. What Jesus meant was this: his kingdom was not of the existing world, because the kingdom of which he spoke was yet to come. The kingdom was not of the existing world, but of the coming world, and it was to be right here on earth.