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Was Jesus a jerk?

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When Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world, it was foolishly assumed by his followers that Jesus referred to a kingdom somewhere in heaven. What Jesus meant was this: his kingdom was not of the existing world, because the kingdom of which he spoke was yet to come. The kingdom was not of the existing world, but of the coming world, and it was to be right here on earth.
And the proof of that is what?

The secular and religious Jesus freaks both freely interpret to fit a view or narrative.

Those who reject the supernatural say Jesus was talking philosophically. Christians tale the b8blcal supernatural literally.

Given the times and Jewish religion and culture of the day I'd ay Jesus was a Jewish believer. An atheist Jesus makes no historical sense.
 
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When Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world, it was foolishly assumed by his followers that Jesus referred to a kingdom somewhere in heaven. What Jesus meant was this: his kingdom was not of the existing world, because the kingdom of which he spoke was yet to come. The kingdom was not of the existing world, but of the coming world, and it was to be right here on earth.
And the proof of that is what?

The secular and religious Jesus freaks both freely interpret to fit a view or narrative.

Those who reject the supernatural say Jesus was talking philosophically. Christians tale the b8blcal supernatural literally.

Given the times and Jewish religion and culture of the day I'd ay Jesus was a Jewish believer. An atheist Jesus makes no historical sense.
The proof is that it is consistent with all Jewish literature wherein the Kingdom of Heaven is always on earth.
 
Evil? How about this: the universe and life are random, love is neurobiology, economics is exploitation, death is permanent void? Now, that’s fucking evil.
No, it's just distasteful to you because you think that reality should be subject to your beliefs, and not the other way around.

Things that are true remain true whether you like them or not.

Pretending that things are nice because you desperately want them to be nice is a recipe for never doing anything to actually mitigate their nastiness. Your proposed cure is even more evil than the reality it's seeking to treat.
 
Jesus was the Messiah. He was ready, willing and able to take up arms against Rome and the whole order of exploitation. He was two thousand years ahead of his time. We now have the tools to bring his vision to fruition, thanks to the work of men like Spinoza and Marx.
So you're saying that not only is God incompetent, his timing is shit too?
 
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When Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world, it was foolishly assumed by his followers that Jesus referred to a kingdom somewhere in heaven. What Jesus meant was this: his kingdom was not of the existing world, because the kingdom of which he spoke was yet to come. The kingdom was not of the existing world, but of the coming world, and it was to be right here on earth.
And the proof of that is what?

The secular and religious Jesus freaks both freely interpret to fit a view or narrative.

Those who reject the supernatural say Jesus was talking philosophically. Christians tale the b8blcal supernatural literally.

Given the times and Jewish religion and culture of the day I'd ay Jesus was a Jewish believer. An atheist Jesus makes no historical sense.
The proof is that it is consistent with all Jewish literature wherein the Kingdom of Heaven is always on earth.
What is the meaning of Luke 17:21 ?

"21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. 21 nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."
 
Was Jesus a jerk to the fig tree he cursed?
Ask Jesus. I understand he had conversations with it.

Mark 11:12-14...

More of a curse than a conversation...Jesus was hungry...It was out of season, so there were no figs available, so Jesus cursed the tree, and the tree died shortly...

https://thefruitgrove.com/11-reasons-your-fig-tree-isnt-fruiting-and-what-to-do/

https://fertilizerpick.com/when-do-fig-trees-produce-fruit/

To curse the tree is never the appropriate thing to do...
I must admit that I sometimes curse out inanimate objects when they fail to satisfy me. Sure, it's irrational, but unlike Jesus I generally don't destroy those objects. And I think I'm excused because unlike Jesus, I am not an all-wise God.
 
Was Jesus a jerk to the fig tree he cursed?
Ask Jesus. I understand he had conversations with it.

Mark 11:12-14...

More of a curse than a conversation...Jesus was hungry...It was out of season, so there were no figs available, so Jesus cursed the tree, and the tree died shortly...

https://thefruitgrove.com/11-reasons-your-fig-tree-isnt-fruiting-and-what-to-do/

https://fertilizerpick.com/when-do-fig-trees-produce-fruit/

To curse the tree is never the appropriate thing to do...
I must admit that I sometimes curse out inanimate objects when they fail to satisfy me. Sure, it's irrational, but unlike Jesus I generally don't destroy those objects. And I think I'm excused because unlike Jesus, I am not an all-wise God.

What is a curse?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse

A curse (also called an imprecation, malediction, execration, malison, anathema, or commination) is any expressed wish that some form of adversity or misfortune will befall or attach to one or more persons, a place, or an object.[1] In particular, "curse" may refer to such a wish or pronouncement made effective by a supernatural or spiritual power, such as a god or gods, a spirit, or a natural force, or else as a kind of spell by magic (usually black magic) or witchcraft; in the latter sense, a curse can also be called a hex or a jinx. In many belief systems, the curse itself (or accompanying ritual) is considered to have some causative force in the result. To reverse or eliminate a curse is sometimes called "removal" or "breaking", as the spell has to be dispelled, and often requires elaborate rituals or prayers.[2]
 
Does Eternal Damnation relate to Karma?
Absolutely. Those who refuse to advance themselves spiritually are quarantined. Fuck around and find out.

Yet the bible tells us that we are all sinners and the way to salvation is faith in Jesus, which is not karma, but reward and punishment based on the given criteria.
The Bible tells us that the way to salvation is through Jesus. But, what is salvation? Salvation is escape from the wheel of karma by accepting the law of equivalent and conducting oneself accordingly.
 
Jesus was the Messiah. He was ready, willing and able to take up arms against Rome and the whole order of exploitation. He was two thousand years ahead of his time. We now have the tools to bring his vision to fruition, thanks to the work of men like Spinoza and Marx.
So you're saying that not only is God incompetent, his timing is shit too?

The time was right for Jesus to initiate the kingdom. It has taken two millennia for it to reach critical mass.

Evil? How about this: the universe and life are random, love is neurobiology, economics is exploitation, death is permanent void? Now, that’s fucking evil.
No, it's just distasteful to you because you think that reality should be subject to your beliefs, and not the other way around.

Things that are true remain true whether you like them or not.

Pretending that things are nice because you desperately want them to be nice is a recipe for never doing anything to actually mitigate their nastiness. Your proposed cure is even more evil than the reality it's seeking to treat.

Atheist materialism necessarily entails promulgating the view that reality is inherently vicious. This is clear indication of its falsity and malevolence.
 
What is the meaning of Luke 17:21 ?

"21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. 21 nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."

The Kingdom of Heaven on Earth arises from the community of those whose spiritual development is sufficient for them to attain moral autonomy by recognizing the Cogitant within them.
 
I'm really at a loss as to why people are belabouring the mashal of the cursing of the fig tree. It is clearly midrash for Jesus' discontent with his rejection by the rulers of the Jewish community. Even Wikipedia recognizes this. Fear not, for the time has come for Judaism to recognize Jesus as the Messiah. The withered fig tree is about to bear fruit.
 
What is the meaning of Luke 17:21 ?

"21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. 21 nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."

The Kingdom of Heaven on Earth arises from the community of those whose spiritual development is sufficient for them to attain moral autonomy by recognizing the Cogitant within them.
The Kingdom of God is "God Consciousness", Oneness. Ergo, "I and The Father are ONE." John 10:30

I don't see my SELF as something apart or separate from the Oneness
 
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The Kingdom of God is "God Consciousness", Oneness. Ergo, "I and The Father are ONE." John 10:30

I don't see my SELF as something apart or separate from the Oneness

Well, that's great. But it is just the start. You still have to work in conjunction with others of like mind to build the community that will form the nucleus of the actual, functioning Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

I'm really at a loss as to why people are belabouring the mashal of the cursing of the fig tree. It is clearly midrash for Jesus' discontent with his rejection by the rulers of the Jewish community. Even Wikipedia recognizes this. Fear not, for the time has come for Judaism to recognize Jesus as the Messiah. The withered fig tree is about to bear fruit.
You mean this? https://torahportions.ffoz.org/disciples/mark/cursed-fig-tree.html

The Messianic Jews are mired in traditional Christian trinitarianism. I stick to the real Jews. Still, it's not that far off the mark. The last paragraph sums it up well.
 
The Kingdom of God is "God Consciousness", Oneness. Ergo, "I and The Father are ONE." John 10:30

I don't see my SELF as something apart or separate from the Oneness

Well, that's great. But it is just the start. You still have to work in conjunction with others of like mind to build the community that will form the nucleus of the actual, functioning Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

I'm really at a loss as to why people are belabouring the mashal of the cursing of the fig tree. It is clearly midrash for Jesus' discontent with his rejection by the rulers of the Jewish community. Even Wikipedia recognizes this. Fear not, for the time has come for Judaism to recognize Jesus as the Messiah. The withered fig tree is about to bear fruit.
You mean this? https://torahportions.ffoz.org/disciples/mark/cursed-fig-tree.html

The Messianic Jews are mired in traditional Christian trinitarianism. I stick to the real Jews. Still, it's not that far off the mark. The last paragraph sums it up well.
“From your mouth to God's ears”...

:)
 
https://www.mountvernon.org/library... vine and fig,reference it almost fifty times.

"Under their vine and fig tree" is a phrase quoted in the Hebrew Scriptures in three different places: Micah 4:4, 1 Kings 4:25, and Zechariah 3:10.1 George Washington used this phrase multiple times in correspondence throughout his life, and one can find Washington reference it almost fifty times.2 Of the three passages, it is most likely that he was citing Micah 4:4 in his writings.3 The section states: "but they shall all sit under their own vines and under their own fig trees, and no one shall make them afraid…."4

The phrase refers to the independence of the peasant farmer who is freed from military oppression.5 In the biblical passage there is a juxtaposition of the simple life with that of royalty or the state.6 Thus, it would seem that Washington's use of "vine and fig tree" in its full context would be an appropriate message in the setting of the American Revolution and the founding of the United States.

In addition, Washington's references to "vine and fig tree" are often connected to his fondness for Mount Vernon, his own, personal vine and fig tree. For example, the phrase is utilized in reference to Mount Vernon in Washington's letter to Doctor James Anderson in 1797.7 The phrase was, however, utilized in differing contexts during the time period. For example, the phrase "vine and fig tree" was even connected to tolerance of immigration to America. A reference to this effect can be found in a 1787 issue of the New-York Journal, alluding to the idea of the oppressed of other nations having a place to go for refuge.8

The phrase is also notably found in a well-known letter that Washington wrote to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island. In the letter, Washington proclaimed, "May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants – while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid."9 The usage enforces the notion that it was Micah 4:4 that Washington referenced, as he added "none to make him afraid" at the end of the sentence.10 This particular usage of "vine and fig tree" was important due to the fact that Washington was quoting the Hebrew Scriptures to a Hebrew congregation, re-enforcing his ecumenical leanings.



George Tsakiridis, Ph.D.
Instructor in Philosophy and Religion
South Dakota State University
 
Does Eternal Damnation relate to Karma?
Absolutely. Those who refuse to advance themselves spiritually are quarantined. Fuck around and find out.

Yet the bible tells us that we are all sinners and the way to salvation is faith in Jesus, which is not karma, but reward and punishment based on the given criteria.
The Bible tells us that the way to salvation is through Jesus. But, what is salvation? Salvation is escape from the wheel of karma by accepting the law of equivalent and conducting oneself accordingly.

The 'wheel of Karma' is Hindu theology. Christianity doesn't have reincarnation or karma, it has 'believe in Jesus as your saviour or suffer the consequences,' which is not karma by any stretch.
 
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