Young Black Men 21 Times More Likely Than Whites to Be Shot Dead by Police

[AthenaAwakened]

There are two sides in the fatal police shooting debate of unarmed Ferguson teen, Michael Brown and still not many answers. There are those that believe he must have done something to be stopped and ultimately shot by police officer Darren Wilson and those who believe that police unfairly target and fatally shoot black boys.

An alarming report revealed that the latter group just might be on to something. Federal data of fatal police shootings from 2010 to 2012, reviewed and analyzed by ProPublica, exposed in grim numbers that young black men are "21 times more likely to be killed by police than their white counterparts," or as The Daily Beast notes, "In order for whites to have been at equal risk over those three years, 185 more—that’s more than one per week—would have had to have been killed."

According to the report, "…blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police."


The report also noted that from 1980 to 2012, 41 teens, 14 years or younger, had been fatally shot and 27 of them were black; 8 were white; 4 were Hispanic and 1 was Asian.

The report pointed out that mostly white officers have been responsible for the fatal shooting deaths of black boys and noted that black officers make up a little more than 10 percent of all fatal shootings but 78 percent of them involved young black men.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/cul..._by_police_than_whites.html?wpisrc=newstories

 

[Derec]

According to the report, "…blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police."

Interesting how people on the Left realize that the proper comparison is per capita rather than absolute numbers yet when it comes to comparing Americans on welfare or murder statistics they insist on absolute numbers.
That said, every single shooting is different. For example, regardless of whether Vonderrit Myers was black or white, shooting at the police will usually get you shot.

The report also noted that from 1980 to 2012, 41 teens, 14 years or younger, had been fatally shot and 27 of them were black; 8 were white; 4 were Hispanic and 1 was Asian.

Teens, 14 years or younger? That would only be 13 and 14 year olds. I doubt the cohort examined is that fine. I suspect the number is for children 0-14 instead.

The report pointed out that mostly white officers have been responsible for the fatal shooting deaths of black boys and noted that black officers make up a little more than 10 percent of all fatal shootings but 78 percent of them involved young black men.

What total percentage of the police force is black? If it is around 10% as well that would indicate that white cops are not any more likely to be involved in shooting suspects.

 

[Axulus]

How much more frequently (in relation to their population size) do blacks either brandish a gun or attempt to shoot a police officer vs. whites? How much more often do they violently confront the police?

Blacks commit roughly 3x the rate of violent crimes as whites. I wonder how much more often they violently confront the police? That should be taken into account if you want to determine the actual difference race itself plays in police shootings.

 

[untermensche]

How much more frequently (in relation to their population size) do blacks either brandish a gun or attempt to shoot a police officer vs. whites? How much more often do they violently confront the police?

Blacks commit roughly 3x the rate of violent crimes as whites. I wonder how much more often they violently confront the police? That should be taken into account if you want to determine the actual difference race itself plays in police shootings.

What's interesting is that per capita blacks live in poverty at 3x the rate of whites.

And per capita are in prison at about 6x the rate of whites.

Possibly there is some kind of war going on against blacks.

 

[Clivedurdle]

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[repoman]

The thing now is that there are so many "motivated" immigrants coming into the country and they are mostly minorities so they count as blacks used to for the purpose of govt stats and for general PR.

So black youths (who are seen as more risky - rightly or wrongly) are getting skipped over in hiring by them. Then they have little work history and too much free time, not a good start in life.

 

[Jokodo]

The thing now is that there are so many "motivated" immigrants coming into the country and they are mostly minorities so they count as blacks used to for the purpose of govt stats and for general PR.

So black youths (who are seen as more risky - rightly or wrongly) are getting skipped over in hiring by them. Then they have little work history and too much free time, not a good start in life.

So it's the immigrants' fault when the (mostly white) people making hiring decisions act out their prejudice.

Makes perfect sense.

 

[Axulus]

How much more frequently (in relation to their population size) do blacks either brandish a gun or attempt to shoot a police officer vs. whites? How much more often do they violently confront the police?

Blacks commit roughly 3x the rate of violent crimes as whites. I wonder how much more often they violently confront the police? That should be taken into account if you want to determine the actual difference race itself plays in police shootings.

What's interesting is that per capita blacks live in poverty at 3x the rate of whites.

And per capita are in prison at about 6x the rate of whites.

Possibly there is some kind of war going on against blacks.

What is your definition of war?

 

[Jokodo]

What's interesting is that per capita blacks live in poverty at 3x the rate of whites.

And per capita are in prison at about 6x the rate of whites.

Possibly there is some kind of war going on against blacks.

What is your definition of war?

So let's sum up some facts and figures brandished in this thread, some of them contributed by you: Blacks are 3x* as likely to commit violent crimes, but 6x as likely to end up in prison and 21x as likely to be shot by police. Even before we go into the socioeconomic reasons for higher crime rates among blacks, it is clear that law enforcement disproportionally targets blacks.

*Since police and law enforcement are obviously biased to look for black perps, I would seem logical that whites are overrepresented among the 53% of violent crimes that remained unresolved (FBI, 2010), which would considerably bring down the 3/1 ratio of crime rates.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How much more frequently (in relation to their population size) do blacks either brandish a gun or attempt to shoot a police officer vs. whites? How much more often do they violently confront the police?

Blacks commit roughly 3x the rate of violent crimes as whites. I wonder how much more often they violently confront the police? That should be taken into account if you want to determine the actual difference race itself plays in police shootings.

Exactly. This is just another example of using differing numbers as evidence of discrimination.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

How much more frequently (in relation to their population size) do blacks either brandish a gun or attempt to shoot a police officer vs. whites?

You assume that black folk more frequently guns? Why?

How much more often do they violently confront the police?

You assume black folk more violently confront police? Why?

Blacks commit roughly 3x the rate of violent crimes as whites.

Commit or are arrested and/or convicted?

I wonder how much more often they violently confront the police?

You assume they do? Why?

That should be taken into account if you want to determine the actual difference race itself plays in police shootings.

What facts do you have to say black folk are doing anything more so that white folks?

 

[SimpleDon]

How much more frequently (in relation to their population size) do blacks either brandish a gun or attempt to shoot a police officer vs. whites? How much more often do they violently confront the police?

Blacks commit roughly 3x the rate of violent crimes as whites. I wonder how much more often they violently confront the police? That should be taken into account if you want to determine the actual difference race itself plays in police shootings.

So that you believe that the fact that blacks commit 3 times more violent crimes than whites explains why blacks are shot 21 times as often by the police? Just off the top of my head I would say that at the best it would drop the ratio to 21 ÷ 3 = 7* times the number of black violent criminals are shot by the police as white violent criminals, to follow your logic. Do you consider 700% to be in the margin of error of the survey?


* I discovered long ago not to assume that simple arithmetic is within the grasp of many of the contributors here, so I have to detail even simple calculations.

 

[Underseer]

I would like to thank the conservolibertarians for defending the inexcusable and saving me the trouble of doing one of those lampoon posts. Frankly, your arguments were more ridiculous than what I would have come up with.

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How much more frequently (in relation to their population size) do blacks either brandish a gun or attempt to shoot a police officer vs. whites? How much more often do they violently confront the police?

Blacks commit roughly 3x the rate of violent crimes as whites. I wonder how much more often they violently confront the police? That should be taken into account if you want to determine the actual difference race itself plays in police shootings.

So that you believe that the fact that blacks commit 3 times more violent crimes than whites explains why blacks are shot 21 times as often by the police? Just off the top of my head I would say that at the best it would drop the ratio to 21 ÷ 3 = 7* times the number of black violent criminals are shot by the police as white violent criminals, to follow your logic. Do you consider 700% to be in the margin of error of the survey?


* I discovered long ago not to assume that simple arithmetic is within the grasp of many of the contributors here, so I have to detail even simple calculations.

Is he even taking into account the higher conviction rates, which is another piece of evidence of inju....

Never mind. He's a rightist. He'll defend anything bad that happens to a non-privileged group. Bad things are only bad when they happen to a privileged group.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

When you start with an ahistorical narrative, where there is no record of one group consistently oppressing another and consistently lying about it, you can then choose to side with the oppressor with no moral reservation and actually see yourself as noble and righteous to do so.

 

[HaRaAYaH]

Three boys charged in two assaults

A 16-year-old and two 12-year-olds have been charged in connection with two assaults that took place Thursday night in Southwest Center City and Francisville - one of which left a man with a fractured jaw, police said.

At 8:34 p.m. at 18th and Lombard Streets, a group of boys stopped their bikes in front of a car driven by a couple from Fairmount who were waiting at a red light, police said.

Police said one of the boys opened the car's passenger door and another tried to pull the woman in the passenger seat out of the car.

When the driver shifted into reverse and pulled away, the boys began throwing rocks at the car, police said. The driver hit several parked vehicles while driving off, and the boys fled.

No one was injured.

About an hour later, police said, a 24-year-old Francisville man spotted the same group of boys on bicycles. Police said the boys had been hitting the side mirrors of parked cars and were being chased by another man.

When the Francisville man confronted the boys, police said, one splashed him with a bottle of water and another moved behind him and punched him in the jaw, knocking him unconscious.

The man was taken to Hahnemann University Hospital and treated for a fractured jaw and a cut on his left eyebrow.

Police eventually stopped the 16-year-old and two 12-year-olds on the 600 block of Broad Street in Spring Garden. They were positively identified as the assailants in both incidents, police said, and all three were charged with aggravated assault, simple assault, criminal conspiracy, and related offenses.

When you excuse this kind of behavior because they have been discriminated against you condemn these people to a lifetime of misery. There is a problem in the black community that the black community must address. There is more poverty in India than in the US black community and they don't have the violent crime.

 

[SimpleDon]

It baffles me that anyone can claim that there is no racism in the relationship between the black community and the police. Especially to say that 21 times is really only 7 times because blacks (or browns or the slightly tawny) are naturally more violent. It is doubling down on racism. Why are black or brown or the merely swarthy (or whatever) people committing more crimes, arrested more frequently than the number of crimes that they commit, convicted more frequently than the number of arrests, and thrown into prison more frequently than the number of convictions?

It seems to me to be using racism to explain why there is no racism involved. The only question to me is if it is so deeply buried that they don't realize it.

 

[RavenSky]

When you excuse this kind of behavior because they have been discriminated against you condemn these people to a lifetime of misery. There is a problem in the black community that the black community must address. There is more poverty in India than in the US black community and they don't have the violent crime.

1. Who is excusing the behavior of the three boys in that article?
2. India doesn't have violent crime? Extremely high incidence of rapes, domestic violence, religious violence, thefts... I guess none of those count so long as the poor boys of India aren't knocking the mirrors off of cars?

 

[SimpleDon]

Three boys charged in two assaults

A 16-year-old and two 12-year-olds have been charged in connection with two assaults that took place Thursday night in Southwest Center City and Francisville - one of which left a man with a fractured jaw, police said.

At 8:34 p.m. at 18th and Lombard Streets, a group of boys stopped their bikes in front of a car driven by a couple from Fairmount who were waiting at a red light, police said.

Police said one of the boys opened the car's passenger door and another tried to pull the woman in the passenger seat out of the car.

When the driver shifted into reverse and pulled away, the boys began throwing rocks at the car, police said. The driver hit several parked vehicles while driving off, and the boys fled.

No one was injured.

About an hour later, police said, a 24-year-old Francisville man spotted the same group of boys on bicycles. Police said the boys had been hitting the side mirrors of parked cars and were being chased by another man.

When the Francisville man confronted the boys, police said, one splashed him with a bottle of water and another moved behind him and punched him in the jaw, knocking him unconscious.

The man was taken to Hahnemann University Hospital and treated for a fractured jaw and a cut on his left eyebrow.

Police eventually stopped the 16-year-old and two 12-year-olds on the 600 block of Broad Street in Spring Garden. They were positively identified as the assailants in both incidents, police said, and all three were charged with aggravated assault, simple assault, criminal conspiracy, and related offenses.

When you excuse this kind of behavior because they have been discriminated against you condemn these people to a lifetime of misery. There is a problem in the black community that the black community must address. There is more poverty in India than in the US black community and they don't have the violent crime.

No one is saying that we should excuse this behavior because the boys have been discriminated against. We are saying the treatment by the police and the courts is different because of race, that different races are treated differently. In a word, because of racism.

And I am not sure how valid your comparison is with India is. I just know that in the US that it is the poor and the very rich who commit most of the crime, not the middle class. Obviously then it follows that we would have less crime if we eliminated poverty. Do you disagree with that conclusion?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

No one is saying that we should excuse this behavior because the boys have been discriminated against. We are saying the treatment by the police and the courts is different because of race, that different races are treated differently. In a word, because of racism.

Except the numbers don't support this notion. It's not racism. Race is merely a proxy for socioeconomic status here. The poor fare much worse with the justice system.

 

[HaRaAYaH]

Then explain this:

http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2010/LCODBlackmales2010.pdf

or this

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/jul/17/tweets/look-statistic-blacks-and-murder/

You can't account for this by cops shooting black males. This is way deeper than racism. There is a problem in the black community.