Trump confirms plan to declare national emergency and use military for deportations

[Loren Pechtel]

And note that people generally do not carry passports unless they expect to need them. Citizens swept up in an ICE raid are very unlikely to be carrying proof of citizenship.

I would hope that knowing your SS# would be sufficient.

Did you not see the part where I said I didn't think it would protect her?

And note that having a social security number doesn't prove you're a citizen. Hers predates her citizenship by several years.

The problem is to bug out means she would never work again and that would devastate her. And would mean trusting a medical system in a language neither of us speaks. Thus we are hoping for the best.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And note that people generally do not carry passports unless they expect to need them. Citizens swept up in an ICE raid are very unlikely to be carrying proof of citizenship.

I would hope that knowing your SS# would be sufficient.

Having a Social security number is not proof of citizenship.

Didn’t know that. Do they hand them out to foreigners on request?

ETA: I see the H-1 visa and a few other work/student categories can get SS#s. So an SS# doesn't prove citizenship, but does prove they're not "illegals".
... for all the good that's going to do keeping the brownshirts at bay.

Anyone who is going to have substantial contact with the US financial system. A non-citizen simply needs to show a reasonable reason to have one. They're simply an identifier, not a proof of anything. (Now, a social security CARD that doesn't have "not valid for employment" on it is another matter.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I would hope that knowing your SS# would be sufficient.

I have no idea how this works, but I have a true story anecdote.

Years ago, during the Bush II administration, my partner worked for a big auto parts manufacturer. It had a bunch of employees who were central American. He had a bad accident, was off work for a few weeks. Then he returned to "light duty", which meant a desk job. The management put him in accounting and payroll.

He noticed that 7 employees all had the same SSI number. He mentioned that to his boss. She just kinda laughed and said, "Yeah, so?"

I asked a lawyer friend of mine how companies got away with stuff like that. He told me, "The government loves that stuff. A bunch of Mexican people paying in SSI taxes, who will never expect benefits from SSI. They are not going to interfere."
Tom

And note that this means they were working under forged documents rather than being hired under the table.

Until identity theft is adequately addressed trying to crack down would cause more problems than benefit.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I saw a video that pointed out that illegal immigrants obviously don't have a SSN, but that they generally do have an IRS ITIN - Individual Taxation Identification Number, which means that they are paying tax.

Yup. Waddles and quacks like a social security number. Lots of them also exist for business entities that need tax numbers.

 

[Elixir]

A non-citizen simply needs to show a reasonable reason to have one.

Don’t worry - in the coming administration, any misunderstanding can be cleared up instantly with a wad of Ben Franklins.
It’s The Way, Komrade.

 

[ZiprHead]

I for one support deportations. Nuland, Biden and all minions (Blinken&Co), Lindsey Graham should be deported to Russia.

I would support you being deported to a sane country. You might find it enlightening.

But, alas, your government doesn't do that. They just kill those they don't like.

Technically it's the fall that kills them, not the defenestration per se.

Technically it's not the fall that kills them. It the stopping of the fall.

 

[Elixir]

I for one support deportations. Nuland, Biden and all minions (Blinken&Co), Lindsey Graham should be deported to Russia.

I would support you being deported to a sane country. You might find it enlightening.

But, alas, your government doesn't do that. They just kill those they don't like.

Technically it's the fall that kills them, not the defenestration per se.

Technically it's not the fall that kills them. It the stopping of the fall.

Technically, it’s not the stopping of the fall that kills them, it’s the abruptness of the stopping of the fall.

 

[TSwizzle]

Look like NYC mayor Eric Adams is on board with mass deportation of criminals;

New York City mayor Eric Adams has announced he wants migrants in the city who are charged with crimes to be deported from the US without waiting to see if they are convicted – signaling a move towards alignment with the incoming Trump administration’s plans for mass deportations.

Teh Gruaniad

 

[Elixir]

Look like NYC mayor Eric Adams is on board with mass deportation of criminals;

New York City mayor Eric Adams has announced he wants migrants in the city who are charged with crimes to be deported from the US without waiting to see if they are convicted – signaling a move towards alignment with the incoming Trump administration’s plans for mass deportations.

Teh Gruaniad

Uh, the mass of criminals is not immigrants. Criminals are a smaller fraction of immigrants than of Americans, and there are a lot more Americans. WTF are you being such a timid weenie about?

 

[Politesse]

Look like NYC mayor Eric Adams is on board with mass deportation of criminals;

New York City mayor Eric Adams has announced he wants migrants in the city who are charged with crimes to be deported from the US without waiting to see if they are convicted – signaling a move towards alignment with the incoming Trump administration’s plans for mass deportations.

Teh Gruaniad

Yes.

The Democrats are submitting voluntarliy to the demands of the Trump regime, even in advance of his inauguration. Civil society is dying.

 

[Elixir]

The Democrats are submitting voluntarliy to the demands of the Trump regime, even in advance of his inauguration. Civil society is dying.

Is it an attempt to “Lucy” the football so Charlie Orange wiffs on it?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Look like NYC mayor Eric Adams is on board with mass deportation of criminals;

New York City mayor Eric Adams has announced he wants migrants in the city who are charged with crimes to be deported from the US without waiting to see if they are convicted – signaling a move towards alignment with the incoming Trump administration’s plans for mass deportations.

Teh Gruaniad

Note the lack of a requirement of guilt.

You're a migrant. You killed that woman. You're deported.

Never mind whether there ever was a woman you killed.

 

[southernhybrid]

Today on "Meet the Press" Trump said he wants to help the Dreamers as they have been here since childhood, but he also thinks he can rid of birthright citizenship, just like that. I couldn't stand to watch the show today, but I read a summary of what the crazy loon said during the interview. As most of you know, he's a lying piece of shit who can't remember what he said yesterday, never mind when he was running for president. When he becomes totally senile, we will have JD Vance to deal with and in some ways, that may be worse. At least Trump can be manipulated by sucking up to him. I'm sure that's why so many foreign leaders are doing just that.

 

[ideologyhunter]

April 2025: Trump in Texas
April 18: Trump tours Camp Ivanka, the brand-new detention center for undocumented pre-schoolers. The inmates line up for the President and sing Yo Tenia 10 Perritos and Buenos Dias El Gran Senor. Trump is heard to say, "I didn't understand a fucking word. Get me out of here."
April 19: Trump attends the annual observation at the Branch Davidian compound site near Waco, hosted by CLC, The Caucasoid Legion for Christ. In his remarks, Trump refers to David Koresh as 'that Corvette fellow', to the confusion of the crowd. Forty minutes into his remarks, he veers away from his script and starts talking about Davy Crockett's rifle, Betsy, and what the President calls "Davy's shlong, Big Dave, also known in San Antonio as The Woman Tamer...You know he had an extra cot in the Alamo, don't you? One for Davy and one for Big Dave. When he ran out of bullets at the Alamo, he strangled two Mexicans with it. Then they shot him. The history books don't tell you that." Suddenly a gunman appears to Trump's left, and as he aims his weapon, a man jumps out of the bleachers and takes five rounds in the chest, dying on the spot. The gunman is shot dead. Trump is hustled away, raising a clenched fist in the air.
That night, at the hotel in Waco:
Jake Tapper: Mr. President, CNN is reporting that the man who died at the scene was Beto Garcia.
Trump: Beto? Beto?? I don't like him already.
Tapper: Sir, but he gave his life for you.
Trump: Well, that makes him a sucker and a loser. How do we know he wasn't part of the plot?
Tapper: He's dead.
Trump: Okay, but I like heroes who don't get shot.
Tapper: He was a Dreamer. His sister is also a Dreamer. She says they wanted to petition you to let them stay in the country.
Trump: Not gonna happen. But, come to think of it...maybe...(he waves an aide over) What's her name, the sister? Chiquita or something?
Tapper: Linda Garcia.
Trump: Okay, we're sending her a God Bless the USA Bible, which is a $60 value.
Tapper: Can she count on your assistance with Immigration?
Trump: Nuh uh.

 

[RVonse]

With regard to the OP, there is a very real chance none of this is going to happen. I'll explain why;

Back in 2013, Australia had a Federal election. Kevin Rudd was leader for Labour (for the second time) and Tony Abbott was leader of The Coalition. To use very simplistic comparisons, Labor is like the Democrats, The Coalition is like the Republicans. And to add some further context, that fucking cunt Rupert Murdoch has an even tighter strangle hold on Australia's news outlets than he does in America. One of the Newspapers Mudroch (fucking cunt) owns is The Daily Telegraph.

In the 10 weeks leading up to the election, a radio host named Ray Hadley (think Sean Hannity with less charisma) posted a "Top 10 important stories from this week" every Friday in the editorial section of the newspaper. This was then copied into The Australian, and also read out on radio stations like 2UE, 2GB and Macquarie Radio. And every week, the 1st story was always a running tally on ,"the number of asylum seekers who have invaded Australia because Kevin Rudd believes in open borders". I'm sure to everyone here has heard familiar rhetoric during the last election in the US.

Then the election occurred, Rudd lost handily and Abbott became Prime Minister. Literally overnight every Murdoch (fucking cunt) news outlet stopped reporting on the invasion of boat people and Ray Hadley's top 10 editorial once again became predications on who would win the footy on the weekend. The change of tone was so pronounced it was fucking jarring. Abbott then appointed a guy named Scott Morrison as his Immigration Minister.

A few months later, Morrison claimed victory and stated loudly and proudly that he has stopped the boats. And everybody agreed. Even Labor agreed, which was fucking stupid of them.

Because the reality wasn't the boats were stopped, it was the Abbott government stopped releasing any information about them.

So what does this mean with regards to Trump? I think we can all agree Trump is a lazy cunt. The fucker has never done a full days work in his life. The US media is already in his back pocket - I fucking gaurantee you will not here anything about the border from any news outlet until just before the mid terms, like what happened in Australia incidentally. And mass deportations is a huge logistical task - Trump doesn't have the brains or the stamina to follow through. It would be far simpler for him to sack all the people in government reporting on border crossing than it is actually fixing the problem.


So TLDR; I think it is possible Trump will order Musk to eviscerate the CBP, have a bunch of fake military parades happen in Texas because he loves that shit, and then a few months later when the number of incidents at the border nose dives because there's no border patrol anymore the media will call it a success and claim Trump has changed and he is actually being presidential this time around.

And too many people are going to fucking fall for it, again.

I had no idea Australia had immigration issues. Where are all of your immigrants coming from? Until reading your post, I had always thought that immigration policy of Australia was extremely strict and almost impossible even for people with skills and education.

 

[RVonse]

Today on "Meet the Press" Trump said he wants to help the Dreamers as they have been here since childhood, but he also thinks he can rid of birthright citizenship, just like that. I couldn't stand to watch the show today, but I read a summary of what the crazy loon said during the interview. As most of you know, he's a lying piece of shit who can't remember what he said yesterday, never mind when he was running for president. When he becomes totally senile, we will have JD Vance to deal with and in some ways, that may be worse. At least Trump can be manipulated by sucking up to him. I'm sure that's why so many foreign leaders are doing just that.

I believe we should have an upper age limit on the POTUS job, Trump is clearly too old.

 

[RVonse]

Illegal migrants. There is a difference between legal and illegal migration.

Tell that to the Republicans. They consider asylum seekers to be illegals, which they are not.

Tell it to the Democrats too. It is criminal of them to protect and harbor other criminals in their safe cities. So either change the law so that these newcomers are not criminals or enforce the law and evict the criminals. You can not have a civilized society if you do not know what the rules really are.

 

[RVonse]

President-elect Donald Trump on Monday confirmed he would declare a national emergency to carry out his campaign promise of mass deportations of migrants living in the U.S. without legal permission.

Overnight, Trump responded to a social media post from Judicial Watch’s Tom Fitton, who said earlier this month there are reports the incoming administration is preparing such a declaration and to use "military assets" to deport the migrants.

“TRUE!!!” Trump wrote.

Truth Social

Truth Social is America's "Big Tent" social media platform that encourages an open, free, and honest global conversation without discriminating on the basis of political ideology.

truthsocial.com

Trump confirms plan to declare national emergency, use military for mass deportations

President-elect Donald Trump is emphasizing his plan to declare a national emergency to carry out his campaign promise of mass deportations.

abcnews.go.com

Remember, he also declared that the deportations are going to be a bloodbath.

Not one single journalist or podcaster asked him how he is going to respect the constitution and, in particular, the 4th amendment, when carrying out the deportation plan. More proof that Trump and his followers couldn't give two shits about the constitution.

It is just outrageous that our government should follow a recent public mandate and actually enforce and follow the law!

 

[Shadowy Man]

I believe we should have an upper age limit on the POTUS job, Trump is clearly too old.

Unfortunately there’s no dearth of young right wingers who gleefully spout the same (and in some cases worse) ridiculous rhetoric as Trump.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I had no idea Australia had immigration issues. Where are all of your immigrants coming from? Until reading your post, I had always thought that immigration policy of Australia was extremely strict and almost impossible even for people with skills and education.

It is currently the 2020s, not the 1960s.

It is just outrageous that our government should follow a recent public mandate and actually enforce and follow the law!

FYI, habeas corpus is part of the law. It is the part that is inconvenient to wannabee dictators and despots... and their followers.