Trump confirms plan to declare national emergency and use military for deportations

[Derec]

Show me that definition.

[an 878x1024 pixel screenshot]

1. Why an overly large screenshot vs. just quoting a definition?
2. So I was right. Nothing in the definition includes "opposition to open borders".

I do not automatically dislike people because they are from other countries. Neither am I prejudiced.
But that has nothing to do with a position that immigration should be selective and limited to the level that a country can reasonably integrate.

P.S.: Are you GenZ? Overuse of screenshots is an affliction of that generation.

 

[Derec]

I am irrationally afraid of sharks. I have a phobia a about sharks. I think that is a completely rational fear, even if I live in the Midwest and nowhere near a shark. It's a phobia

Huh?

Anyway, I am not irrationally afraid of sharks. I do not have galeophobia. I have no problem swimming in the ocean. But I do recognize that sharks can be dangerous (even if numbers of shark attacks are low compared to other dangers, like driving to Florida or Tybee Island).
Nevertheless, I do think measures to reduce risks to beach goers are reasonable.

It is certainly silly to suggest that everybody opposed to giving sharks open access to beaches is galeophobic. Which is the equivalent of bilby's position.

 

[bilby]

Show me that definition.

[an 878x1024 pixel screenshot]

1. Why an overly large screenshot vs. just quoting a definition?

Because I am posting from my phone, and that's what apple decided to provide.

2. So I was right. Nothing in the definition includes "opposition to open borders".

Sure it does. The definition, like the border, divides people into "us" and "them", and treats "them" as inferior to "us".

I do not automatically dislike people because they are from other countries. Neither am I prejudiced.

[Citation Needed]

But that has nothing to do with a position that immigration should be selective and limited to the level that a country can reasonably integrate.

P.S.: Are you GenZ? Overuse of screenshots is an affliction of that generation.

Are you joking? One of us posts a stupid number of pictures and GIFs in support of his emotional arguments, and the other is me.

 

[Toni]

I am irrationally afraid of sharks. I have a phobia a about sharks. I think that is a completely rational fear, even if I live in the Midwest and nowhere near a shark. It's a phobia

Huh?

Anyway, I am not irrationally afraid of sharks. I do not have galeophobia. I have no problem swimming in the ocean. But I do recognize that sharks can be dangerous (even if numbers of shark attacks are low compared to other dangers, like driving to Florida or Tybee Island).
Nevertheless, I do think measures to reduce risks to beach goers are reasonable.

It is certainly silly to suggest that everybody opposed to giving sharks open access to beaches is galeophobic. Which is the equivalent of bilby's position.

What I was trying to suggest is that it IS completely rational to be afraid of sharks —and that is actually a phobia. It is not particularly rational for ME here in the Midwest. Oddly enough, I also have no problem swimming in the ocean. But even if I am in a small backyard pool that is heavily chlorinated fresh water, and if someone mentions sharks, I have to get out of the water. Same thing re: alligators and crocodiles. Rational to be afraid of encountering such but irrational to be afraid of encounter one in a backyard pool.

Now: I am genuinely interested in you ( or someone else) articulating their concerns about illegal immigration in the US. I’m interested in their perceptions of the scope of the problem—not just raw numbers—and WHY it is a problem? Talk to me like I’m an idiot. I really don’t get it.

 

[Politesse]

The funny thing is, TSwizzle clearly knows exactly why he's unlikely to be caught up in an ICE raid.

Not how extralegal raids work, my dude.

 

[laughing dog]

Let me get this straight - you want prospective immigrants to pass some sort of political views test?

That is not unprecedented.
Chapter 7 - Attachment to the Constitution

1. Communist Party Affiliation
An applicant cannot naturalize if any of the following are true within 10 years immediately preceding his or her filing for naturalization and up until the time of the Oath of Allegiance:

The applicant is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist Party or any other totalitarian party;

The applicant is or has advocated communism or the establishment in the United States of a totalitarian dictatorship;

The applicant is or has been a member of or affiliated with an organization that advocates communism or the establishment in the United States of a totalitarian dictatorship, either through its own utterance or through any written or printed matter published by such organization;

The applicant is or has been a subversive, or a member of, or affiliated with, a subversive organization;

The applicant is knowingly publishing or has published any subversive written or printed matter, or written or printed matter advocating communism;

The applicant is knowingly circulating or has circulated, or knowingly possesses or has possessed for the purpose of circulating, subversive written or printed matter, or written or printed matter advocating communism; or

The applicant is or has been a member of, or affiliated with, any organization that publishes or circulates, or that possesses for the purpose of publishing or circulating, any subversive written or printed matter, or any written or printed matter advocating communism.

Or this:

3. Nazi Party Affiliation
Applicants who were affiliated with the Nazi government of Germany or any government occupied by or allied with the Nazi government of Germany, either directly or indirectly, are ineligible for admission into the United States and permanently barred from naturalization.[21] The applicant is responsible for providing any evidence or documentation to support a claim that he or she is not ineligible for naturalization based on involvement in the Nazi Party.

Why should Islamofascists be treated any differently?
Especially when they were allies in Hitler's day:

A precedent of a bad idea doesn’t make the idea a good one.

BTW, we let Nazis in if we thought they’d be helpful.

 

[thebeave]

This guy has some good common sense ideas on immigration. Is there something wrong with his plan?

 

[ideologyhunter]

Unfortunately, there was a gentleman waiting in the wings with a story about...THEY'RE EATING THE CATS AND DOGS!!!

 

[Elixir]

This guy has some good common sense ideas on immigration. Is there something wrong with his plan?

Two things.
1) The problem is Not a problem if you’re an elected Republican, the problem is an asset.
2) Republicans have recently made bank by promoting the problem, and they are currently in charge. So mucho moola will be spent on the Emperor’s contractor pals, but there wil be strict rules against fixing the problem.

(Also in charge of your money, and if you’re female, your body too).

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This guy has some good common sense ideas on immigration. Is there something wrong with his plan?

So, you are supporting the Dreamers?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Dude! Above you admit my statement is correct,

What statement of yours did I allegedly agree with?

Xenophobia meets illogic …

What is illogical is conflating any support on restrictions on immigration or for deporting more illegals is "xenophobia".

A lot of the anti-illegal stuff sounds very much like xenophobia. The reality is that the process inherently is filtering, a lot of the things that would be a burden on society would preclude making the trip. Thus the average illegal is a lower cost to society than the average American.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The funny thing is, TSwizzle clearly knows exactly why he's unlikely to be caught up in an ICE raid.

Have you not heard of their talk of denaturalization??

My wife has one of those, 10 crow feet from where I'm typing this. Do I think it would protect her? No. Nor do I think the fact that she no longer holds Chinese citizenship (they prohibit dual citizenship) would stop them. And there's something strange somewhere in the government data--she's very likely to get secondary screening on flights to the US. Yet she has gotten managed inclusion (basically, pre-check for that flight) on flights from the US on multiple occasions.

And note that people generally do not carry passports unless they expect to need them. Citizens swept up in an ICE raid are very unlikely to be carrying proof of citizenship.

 

[Shadowy Man]

And note that people generally do not carry passports unless they expect to need them. Citizens swept up in an ICE raid are very unlikely to be carrying proof of citizenship.

It may be good advice for them to start carrying it.

“Papers, please.”

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Show me that definition.

[an 878x1024 pixel screenshot]

1. Why an overly large screenshot vs. just quoting a definition?
2. So I was right. Nothing in the definition includes "opposition to open borders".

I do not automatically dislike people because they are from other countries. Neither am I prejudiced.
But that has nothing to do with a position that immigration should be selective and limited to the level that a country can reasonably integrate.

P.S.: Are you GenZ? Overuse of screenshots is an affliction of that generation.

I'm so sick and fucking tired of people in this country whining over the consequences of actions they either don't bother to know of or even supported. The US didn't lose manufacturing, we gave it away to China. The people crossing the border are coming from countries that the US fucked up politically in the 60s to 80s, as well as being under the thumb of drug cartels that the US is terribly responsible for supporting in our illicit drug use and the existing prohibition on those drugs and its production in the US.

People want to pretend that shutting down the border and limiting migration will solve the problem. What will solve the problem will be investment in the areas we fucked up. The immigration is a direct result in America's negative meddling in this region. And with most of our other faults, we refuse to amend the consequences of it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The funny thing is, TSwizzle clearly knows exactly why he's unlikely to be caught up in an ICE raid.

Have you not heard of their talk of denaturalization??

My wife has one of those, 10 crow feet from where I'm typing this. Do I think it would protect her? No. Nor do I think the fact that she no longer holds Chinese citizenship (they prohibit dual citizenship) would stop them. And there's something strange somewhere in the government data--she's very likely to get secondary screening on flights to the US. Yet she has gotten managed inclusion (basically, pre-check for that flight) on flights from the US on multiple occasions.

And note that people generally do not carry passports unless they expect to need them. Citizens swept up in an ICE raid are very unlikely to be carrying proof of citizenship.

Yeah, would walks around with that thing with them? Also, who cares? If that doesn't go before a judge, you are just dealing with people "following orders".

 

[Elixir]

And note that people generally do not carry passports unless they expect to need them. Citizens swept up in an ICE raid are very unlikely to be carrying proof of citizenship.

I would hope that knowing your SS# would be sufficient.

 

[Shadowy Man]

And note that people generally do not carry passports unless they expect to need them. Citizens swept up in an ICE raid are very unlikely to be carrying proof of citizenship.

I would hope that knowing your SS# would be sufficient.

Having a Social security number is not proof of citizenship.

 

[Elixir]

And note that people generally do not carry passports unless they expect to need them. Citizens swept up in an ICE raid are very unlikely to be carrying proof of citizenship.

I would hope that knowing your SS# would be sufficient.

Having a Social security number is not proof of citizenship.

Didn’t know that. Do they hand them out to foreigners on request?

ETA: I see the H-1 visa and a few other work/student categories can get SS#s. So an SS# doesn't prove citizenship, but does prove they're not "illegals".
... for all the good that's going to do keeping the brownshirts at bay.

 

[Shadowy Man]

And note that people generally do not carry passports unless they expect to need them. Citizens swept up in an ICE raid are very unlikely to be carrying proof of citizenship.

I would hope that knowing your SS# would be sufficient.

Having a Social security number is not proof of citizenship.

Didn’t know that. Do they hand them out to foreigners on request?

No. But if you have a legal work authorization you get one. Maybe even a student visa like a graduate student.

 

[Elixir]

No. But if you have a legal work authorization you get one. Maybe even a student visa like a graduate student.

That would ordinarily give ICE/CBP at least a little pause, at least back in the day (8+yrs ago).