Trump confirms plan to declare national emergency and use military for deportations

[TomC]

I would hope that knowing your SS# would be sufficient.

I have no idea how this works, but I have a true story anecdote.

Years ago, during the Bush II administration, my partner worked for a big auto parts manufacturer. It had a bunch of employees who were central American. He had a bad accident, was off work for a few weeks. Then he returned to "light duty", which meant a desk job. The management put him in accounting and payroll.

He noticed that 7 employees all had the same SSI number. He mentioned that to his boss. She just kinda laughed and said, "Yeah, so?"

I asked a lawyer friend of mine how companies got away with stuff like that. He told me, "The government loves that stuff. A bunch of Mexican people paying in SSI taxes, who will never expect benefits from SSI. They are not going to interfere."
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

From the latest American Economic Review

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[td]Law-Abiding Immigrants: The Incarceration Gap between Immigrants and the US-Born, 1870–2020[/td]

We provide the first nationally representative long-run series (1870–2020) of incarceration rates for immigrants and the US-born. As a group, immigrants have had lower incarceration rates than the US-born for 150 years. Moreover, relative to the US-born, immigrants' incarceration rates have declined since 1960: immigrants today are 60 percent less likely to be incarcerated (30 percent relative to US-born Whites). This relative decline occurred among immigrants from all regions and cannot be explained by changes in observable characteristics or immigration policy. Instead, the decline is part of a broader divergence of outcomes between less-educated immigrants and their US-born counterparts.

Either immigrants are much more law-abiding than the US born, or they are more effective criminals. The 150 pattern suggests the former of hypothesis. Which indicates that much of the hoopla about immigrants is bs.

 

[bilby]

I would hope that knowing your SS# would be sufficient.

I have no idea how this works, but I have a true story anecdote.

Years ago, during the Bush II administration, my partner worked for a big auto parts manufacturer. It had a bunch of employees who were central American. He had a bad accident, was off work for a few weeks. Then he returned to "light duty", which meant a desk job. The management put him in accounting and payroll.

He noticed that 7 employees all had the same SSI number. He mentioned that to his boss. She just kinda laughed and said, "Yeah, so?"

I asked a lawyer friend of mine how companies got away with stuff like that. He told me, "The government loves that stuff. A bunch of Mexican people paying in SSI taxes, who will never expect benefits from SSI. They are not going to interfere."
Tom

Quite. Knowing your SS# is not proof of lawful residency, and knowing an SS# is sufficient to defeat such a check anyway, unless there's a way to link that SS# to a passport or similar ID - at which point, your proof is no longer your SS#, but the passport or other ID.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I would hope that knowing your SS# would be sufficient.

I have no idea how this works, but I have a true story anecdote.

Years ago, during the Bush II administration, my partner worked for a big auto parts manufacturer. It had a bunch of employees who were central American. He had a bad accident, was off work for a few weeks. Then he returned to "light duty", which meant a desk job. The management put him in accounting and payroll.

He noticed that 7 employees all had the same SSI number. He mentioned that to his boss. She just kinda laughed and said, "Yeah, so?"

I asked a lawyer friend of mine how companies got away with stuff like that. He told me, "The government loves that stuff. A bunch of Mexican people paying in SSI taxes, who will never expect benefits from SSI. They are not going to interfere."
Tom

This is why I won’t believe that the government considers illegal immigration a real crime until they start arresting the employers.

 

[TSwizzle]

It may be good advice for them to start carrying it.

“Papers, please.”

Why not indeed. It wasn’t that long ago when you had to show papers to enter a venue, restaurant etc. pretty sure you were one of many on here that were all for it.

 

[laughing dog]

It may be good advice for them to start carrying it.

“Papers, please.”

Why not indeed. It wasn’t that long ago when you had to show papers to enter a venue, restaurant etc. pretty sure you were one of many on here that were all for

Proof of vaccination a pandemic to get into public places is quite different than carrying proof of citizenship at all times (including at home) to avoid arrest.

 

[Shadowy Man]

It may be good advice for them to start carrying it.

“Papers, please.”

Why not indeed. It wasn’t that long ago when you had to show papers to enter a venue, restaurant etc. pretty sure you were one of many on here that were all for

Proof of vaccination a pandemic to get into public places is quite different than carrying proof of citizenship at all times (including at home) to avoid arrest.

Not to right wingers. Two things that are similar are functionally identical if it suits their ideology. Nuance be damned!

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

I saw a video that pointed out that illegal immigrants obviously don't have a SSN, but that they generally do have an IRS ITIN - Individual Taxation Identification Number, which means that they are paying tax.

 

[robnisch]

I saw a video that pointed out that illegal immigrants obviously don't have a SSN, but that they generally do have an IRS ITIN - Individual Taxation Identification Number, which means that they are paying tax.

Even though they may never get the SSI benefits, they are paying into the system. Right now SS is not getting enough taxes to pay for what is going out. So it is drawing down on the trust fund. Give or take 7 to 9 years pay out will be reduced.
Will the repugs do what is needed to fix it?
We will see.

 

[TSwizzle]

New York City is soon projected to have spent more than $5 billion over the last two years on the migrant crisis – an estimate that is expected to double by 2025. At an average of $352 per night for at least 36,939 households, the city projects it will spend $4.75 billion providing shelter, food, healthcare and education to the influx of migrants in the 2025 fiscal year, according to the current forecast by the city’s online asylum seeker funding tracker. The city budgeted $3.76 billion in funding for the migrant crisis in the 2024 fiscal year. In the 2023 and 2024 fiscal years combined, the city spent $4.88 billion on the migrant crisis.

News

And that's just New York.

 

[TomC]

It may be good advice for them to start carrying it.

“Papers, please.”

Why not indeed. It wasn’t that long ago when you had to show papers to enter a venue, restaurant etc. pretty sure you were one of many on here that were all for it.

Don't you see a difference between a private venue making rules for itself and the government making rules for everyone?

One of the annoying things I remember was when Florida levied a $5000 fine on cruise ship companies that required vaccination for passengers. That's $5000 per passenger. Somehow, that was popular amongst "small government conservatives".
Tom

 

[Shadowy Man]

One of the annoying things I remember was when Florida levied a $5000 fine on cruise ship companies that required vaccination for passengers. That's $5000 per passenger. Somehow, that was popular amongst "small government conservatives".
Tom

of course, because being “small government conservatives” is a bullshit claim. When businesses act against their ideology they impose strict government oversight. Look at the whole Disney debacle.

 

[Elixir]

It wasn’t that long ago when you had to show papers to enter a venue, restaurant etc. pretty sure you were one of many on here that were all for it.

Yeah temporary measures to protect others from RW anti-vax stupidity is exactly like going Jew-hunting so you could kill them.

 

[Shadowy Man]

It may be good advice for them to start carrying it.

“Papers, please.”

Why not indeed. It wasn’t that long ago when you had to show papers to enter a venue, restaurant etc. pretty sure you were one of many on here that were all for it.

On what basis are you “pretty sure” I was “all for it”?

I guess it’s easier to assume what people think rather than engage in good faith discussion with them, right?

 

[TSwizzle]

It may be good advice for them to start carrying it.

“Papers, please.”

Why not indeed. It wasn’t that long ago when you had to show papers to enter a venue, restaurant etc. pretty sure you were one of many on here that were all for it.

On what basis are you “pretty sure” I was “all for it”?

Memory.

I guess it’s easier to assume what people think rather than engage in good faith discussion with them, right?

If my memory is wrong about you, I stand corrected.

 

[Elixir]

On what basis are you “pretty sure” I was “all for it”?

I was all for it, to own the conservotards!!
Fuck that COVID bullshit - that was just a conspiracy theory and there's no such thing in reality.
But it sure was fun watching those redhat idiots freak out!

 

[Toni]

A number of years ago, I joked with one of my kids that he should take his passport with him when he traveled to AZ and Miami, FL for work. Turns out: yes, he was taken for a latino in both locations. Which would make his grandfather, whom he closely resembles, turn over in his grave, multiple times. BTW, he doesn't really speak Spanish, certainly not more than I do which is....no bueno.

 

[barbos]

I for one support deportations. Nuland, Biden and all minions (Blinken&Co), Lindsey Graham should be deported to Russia.

 

[ZiprHead]

I for one support deportations. Nuland, Biden and all minions (Blinken&Co), Lindsey Graham should be deported to Russia.

I would support you being deported to a sane country. You might find it enlightening.

But, alas, your government doesn't do that. They just kill those they don't like.

 

[Patooka]

I for one support deportations. Nuland, Biden and all minions (Blinken&Co), Lindsey Graham should be deported to Russia.

I would support you being deported to a sane country. You might find it enlightening.

But, alas, your government doesn't do that. They just kill those they don't like.

Technically it's the fall that kills them, not the defenestration per se.