Dem Post Mortem

[Elixir]

There were many examples and questions about his mental acuity issues prior to the debate

There were many allegations, questions and “examples” of massive fraud turning the 2020 election, too. And they came from the same place (the TrumPutin propaganda factory), carrying the same amount of “truth” (none).

 

[thebeave]

There were many examples and questions about his mental acuity issues prior to the debate

There were many allegations, questions and “examples” of massive fraud turning the 2020 election, too. And they came from the same place (the TrumPutin propaganda factory), carrying the same amount of “truth” (none).

And those came from various Republican bozos, morons and knuckleheads. The allegations about Biden came from investigations by the WSJ, widely considered to be a reliable source:

Far from mere speculation, these claims are substantiated by thorough reporting in The Wall Street Journal, drawing on 50 interviews with individuals closely acquainted with the administration.

 

[Elixir]

The WSJ is a hard right leaning conservative mouthpiece, not a clinical diagnostician.
I am FAR more concerned with what mental health professionals have to say about the current threat.

“Mental health professionals have raised significant concerns about Donald Trump’s mental fitness, often citing observed behavior and its implications:
• Behavioral Patterns: Psychiatrists and psychologists have pointed to traits consistent with narcissistic, antisocial, and paranoid personality disorders, as well as “malignant narcissism,” which combines these traits with sadism. Observations include impulsivity, lack of remorse, reckless behavior, and difficulty with complex thought and planning.
• Public Warnings: Books like The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump feature essays from 27 mental health experts who argue that his behavior poses a “clear and present danger” to democracy and global safety. They emphasize the need for evaluation without making formal diagnoses due to ethical constraints like the Goldwater Rule.
• Calls for Evaluation: Groups of professionals have urged formal cognitive and psychiatric assessments, citing erratic speech, impulsive decision-making, and potential risks tied to his authority over nuclear weapons. Some argue this evaluation is necessary to protect public safety.
While no formal diagnosis has been made, experts stress that his observed behavior warrants serious scrutiny.”

Plus, he’s fucking malevolent, stupid and ignorant, in addition to being unbalanced and sociopathic.

 

[SLD]

Trump mentally declined a long time ago, too. One of the differences not really being talked about here between the parties is the loudness of the cult of Trump, the propaganda machine that was at an all-time high across conservative fake news, Russian disinformation, Broligarchy-owned social media, and religious institutions. Remember, even utterly destroying Trump in a one-on-one debate had zero impact on a media apparatus that lives in his attention economy.

A giggling canine once told me...

This isn't the same context. It's not a whataboutism because it is part of the answer. If we're having an honest discussion about the thread topic "Dem post-mortem," then we have to ask the question what was the cause of the Dem loss. To answer the question, we can contrast the Dem performance the last time against the Dem performance in 2020. In doing so, the main difference we can observe is particular groupings of voters who changed votes to Trump. In doing that analysis, it is noted that those groups were looking for economic change and immigration was also an issue, but immigration is also partly economic (i.e. "they took our jobs!!!111"), and so economics is the primary electoral issue that people were paying attention to who flipped. One facet of the flips is perception and opinion and it is necessary to examine where people get their information from. So, to do that one ought to consider information sources typically used by people and of course those include all the things I had listed, but also there was a flip in information sources in that the Broligarchy was no longer neutral but came out swinging for Trump and Trump was very loud, went on Joe Rogan and masculinist podcasts etc. You also had Bezos's Washington Post changing content. I don't expect the latter to have impacted much as the former, but it's an additional example. That attention economy and The Algorithm did not make criticism of Trump (or his mental decline) into memes, even though he has had way more moments of saying ridiculous, unhinged things. Instead, it was all about what he said in a positive light and then moving on to the next, like that he would fix the Price of Eggs on "DAY ONE." It isn't a whataboutism to mention in a post mortem, that the extent of the power of the proaganda machine is so far-reaching, it even takes votes from the traditional base.

All of this seems to boil down to messaging issue. People flipped because they bought the Republican and Faux news messaging and Democrats didn’t effectively counter it. Immigrants are not stealing peoples jobs. Immigration probably saved the economy over the last four years and are essential to ensuring the viability of Social Security. Demographics means far more than the bullshit economics spouted by both left and right. Democratic messaging has sucked for the last 40 years and frankly I think it’s because they’ve paid too much attention to identity politics rather than things like income inequality and worker rights.

 

[TSwizzle]

Dems will lose in 2028. They have learned nothing. But please pick Newsom as the 2028 democratic nominee.

 

[lostone]

Dems will lose in 2028. They have learned nothing. But please pick Newsom as the 2028 democratic nominee.

Tell me, OTOH, what Republicans have learned. They still present the same arguments that they presented fifty or seventy years ago. What has changed, if anything, is the American public. DJT, as a genius at manipulating the media, with the aid of the courts, has made those arguments more palatable to more people. Other than that, our politics today differ little from those of 1950.

 

[TSwizzle]

Other than that, our politics today differ little from those of 1950.

Surely you jest?

 

[lostone]

Modern day McCarthyism is still alive and well, merely recast in more up to date terminology by modern Conservatives. We are, all in all, much the same as we were in 1950.

 

[TSwizzle]

lol, Vance 2028 it is

 

[Tigers!]

Plus, he’s fucking malevolent, stupid and ignorant, in addition to being unbalanced and sociopathic.

Go on, tell us exactly what you think of Trump. I certain agree with the 1st 3 characteristics.

 

[Jarhyn]

Modern day McCarthyism is still alive and well, merely recast in more up to date terminology by modern Conservatives. We are, all in all, much the same as we were in 1950.

I mean, that describes the history of conservatism: invent a new term for something that describes their behavior but accuse other people of it and act like it's new so that they can take intellectual credit for discovering this "new" thing... Despite the fact that it's not new and they're looking full-on away from the actual perpetrator.

All in all, if you want to find the group that's probably right, look at a group and evaluate which group primarily platforms itself with emotionally charged claims, and which group argues boring and dry facts using academic and logical frameworks that nobody gives a shit about.

If you want to catch a liar, look at who is lapping the planet, and look at who is busy putting on their pants. People get good at what they practice, and people don't practice emotional appeals when they have stronger ways to support their arguments.

 

[steve_bank]

Plus, he’s fucking malevolent, stupid and ignorant, in addition to being unbalanced and sociopathic.

Go on, tell us exactly what you think of Trump. I certain agree with the 1st 3 characteristics.

Trump is a wannabe Hitler or Mussolini.

If the courts up through SCOTUS fail that is where we may be headed.

 

[Elixir]

Dems will lose in 2028.

I will be SO happy if Dems lose in 2028.
If they "lose" to Repugs, it will be because the insurrectionists suspended the Constitution they've been ignoring, and put the apricot back up for Dear Leader, having completed their takeover of all the media.
The GOP and their boy Putin have so much invested in The Felon, so much propaganda, so many lies, so much treason, so many rubles, they cannot do ANYTHING without him.
But if they lose an election that is anything close to un-rigged, it will probably be to a far left candidate promising to rescue people from the pain that the PresiDunce has caused them over the previous three years.

Trump is a wannabe Hitler or Mussolini.

... but with half the IQ. Whether that is a blessing or a further curse, is TBD.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

lol, Vance 2028 it is

Is that what you want?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Dems will lose in 2028. They have learned nothing. But please pick Newsom as the 2028 democratic nominee.

2028 might as well be 2096. Making any predictions on the 2028 election is folly. At this point, it could be anything from Trump winning in 2028, the Democrats annihilating the GOP, no election at all. It all comes down to how America reacts to the Russia - NK - USA pact.

 

[TSwizzle]

Dems will lose in 2028. They have learned nothing. But please pick Newsom as the 2028 democratic nominee.

2028 might as well be 2096. Making any predictions on the 2028 election is folly. At this point, it could be anything from Trump winning in 2028, the Democrats annihilating the GOP, no election at all. It all comes down to how America reacts to the Russia - NK - USA pact.

lol, Vance 2028 it is

Is that what you want?

It is my prediction. But there is a long way to go.

 

[Emily Lake]

Biden's mental decline is old, tired FAKE news at this point.

FIFY

Why is it fake? He was basically forced out of the POTUS race because of it.

Or at the very least because of the appearance of mental decline, irrespective of its veracity.

So, I can't help but ask whether thebeave was talking about said fake-news decline.

Was he calling it fake then?

Would having missed it's fakeness before indicate thebeave is not the best evaluator of fakeness or realness in news?

thebeave didn't call it fake. Elixir edited thebeave's post to insert "FAKE". See emphasis added by me.

 

[Jarhyn]

Ah, so he cannot even NOW understand what news is real or fake. Got it.

 

[SLD]

My prediction is that the democrats will be principled and will rescue the economy and then Trump will take credit for it and the Dems will lose in 2028.

I really think they should grow a pair and let it fall.

 

[Shadowy Man]

My prediction is that the democrats will be principled and will rescue the economy and then Trump will take credit for it and the Dems will lose in 2028.

I really think they should grow a pair and let it fall.

Even if the Dems win control of the House in 2026 it’s not clear that they could “rescue the economy” without a lot of bipartisan effort (including Trump not vetoing their efforts).

What are you imagining them doing?