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"Children cannot consent to puberty blockers" and being in the wrong body

Chris seems to be saying it is inappropriate to post about that for someone with their role involving children
What the hell? Who the fuck is talking about orgies involving children?

Just checked in on this thread, read only the OP. I got curious about “Billboard Chris” and looked it up. “It” being appropriate to describe Chris. He acknowledges the existence (how nice of him) of LGB but thinks Q stands for “pedophile” (the two letters are adjacent in the alphabet so his confusion is perhaps understandable) and that trans are body-destroying monsters who wish to bring the downfall of society.

The man is obviously a depraved lunatic who doesn’t deserve your attention.
 
Chris will ultimately cause more kids to castrate themselves and regret it.
As far as I know he's not indoctrinating children (but he says the trans supporters are in schools) - except for his own. He says that children are beautiful as they are. I'd don't see how that would provoke children to castrate themselves.
It's not about "indoctrination". The issue here is "unforseen consequences of his actions".

It doesn't matter what he says, and the reality is that no matter how beautiful others say you are, that doesn't mean a lick of spit to what some people's brains are configured for.

It's not about being beautiful. It would have been NICE to have become what I could have, to have had the voice I could have and so on.

Those are nice things to have.

I'm talking about things that fuck a person up over time unless they have it.

Did you not read my very first posts to Lauren's gender thread?

Did you not watch Robert Sapolski explain the neuroscience of it?

There is more to it than just how someone looks.

I have a constant low-level headache that makes me utterly detest my life when I have testosterone active in my body.

It is a set of invasive thoughts that honestly, I hate. I have a husband, a stable relationship, at least some hope of consistent income over the next few years though this political climate is making that very hard, and I can recognize that for what it is. It's happening right now because I'm out of pills and shitlords like Chris are making it very hard to get appointments and find offices or even feel safe seeking care.

And it might take me a whole additional year of pills before I can get a surgical appointment. I've actually been delaying care on my hernia repair repair, hoping I can get the thing done then and not have the remaining risk of testicular cancer and have my inguinal canals fully secured?

I personally think someone should have to have to remain on blockers until they are 18 or have been on them for more than 3 years, whichever comes later, or 1 year over the age of 25 with a 1 month break, before they can get their balls off? It seems pretty reasonable to me.

It means that someone has to be really serious and actually like the effects.

I can see how some people would really dislike the effects, depending on how much they enjoy being under the influence of testosterone.

I do not believe he has any moral right, nor do you, in their fertility.

If they don't like the effects, testosterone treatments are available. They're stunningly cheap, widely available, and easy to take.

They are still available for "low T" boys all over who don't like being like me, or fear it while not understanding it.

As I understand it, though, the chemical I take doesn't impact fertility, really; testosterone is the byproduct of sperm production and the chemical I take, spironolactone, blocks onward uptake of testosterone, after it was made.

Instead of "blocking the ink to the scribes of sperm and testosterone", it is "snatching the letter of testosterone only, before it reaches the offices of the brain, leaving the letter of sperm in unmolested".

I personally find that a raw deal because it doesn't make for effective birth control.

The problem is that Chris is full of hate and doesn't know or care what he is talking about.
 
The man is obviously a depraved lunatic who doesn’t deserve your attention.
I think that the guy is a grifter who has found a way to monetize the issue. Better than anything else he's qualified to do for a living.
I can't prove anything, but then I don't care enough about him to watch a video.
Tom
 
The man is obviously a depraved lunatic who doesn’t deserve your attention.
I think that the guy is a grifter who has found a way to monetize the issue. Better than anything else he's qualified to do for a living.
I can't prove anything, but then I don't care enough about him to watch a video.
Tom
He doesn't seem to make money directly through YouTube though (being "monetized") but his website allows donations (30 to 1000 CAD or more) and I think he's working fairly hard for it.

BTW Chris's YouTube channel sometimes posts footage of militant NZ Maoris that say things like "there's only two genders" (1:44) "if you have a confusion about your gender, that's fine, just do that in your own home, don't do that in a public space that belongs to all people" (3:24). He also said boys came here on a "peaceful protest" - "the removal of craziness - the craziness of multiple genders".


Merch for the NZ Maori "Man Up" including "Jesus is King"
 
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He doesn't seem to make money directly through YouTube though (being "monetized")
Have you ever seen an advertisement for anything while watching his YouTube? If so, it's monetized.

Worse is that the fact that you watch his stuff is salable information. That's more information for the algorithms that pump advertising into your Internet, like it or not. I don't watch stuff like that, I watch old sitcoms like "Golden Girls", and cute puppies and kittens with babies. Trust me, YouTube will distinguish between us when selling advertising to their clients. Which they do.
Tom
 
The man is obviously a depraved lunatic who doesn’t deserve your attention.
I think that the guy is a grifter who has found a way to monetize the issue. Better than anything else he's qualified to do for a living.
I can't prove anything, but then I don't care enough about him to watch a video.
Tom
He doesn't seem to make money directly through YouTube though (being "monetized") but his website allows donations (30 to 1000 CAD or more) and I think he's working fairly hard for it.

Right, so he is a depraved lunatic and a shameless grifter. So? Do you contribute to him?
 
Right, so he is a depraved lunatic and a shameless grifter. So? Do you contribute to him?
No partly because I'm barely surviving as far as my finances go. And even if I could afford it and I thoroughly agreed with him I wouldn't donate because he seems to have enough money already.
 
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He doesn't seem to make money directly through YouTube though (being "monetized")
Have you ever seen an advertisement for anything while watching his YouTube? If so, it's monetized.
No I've never ever seen an ad before or during or after one of his videos.
What has that got to do with anything I posted?
Tom

ETA ~Thats not what I was asking about.

"No I've never ever seen a video for one of his videos." ~
 
He doesn't seem to make money directly through YouTube though (being "monetized")
Have you ever seen an advertisement for anything while watching his YouTube? If so, it's monetized.
No I've never ever seen an ad before or during or after one of his videos.
What has that got to do with anything I posted?
Tom

ETA ~Thats not what I was asking about.

"No I've never ever seen a video for one of his videos." ~
You asked "Have you ever seen an advertisement for anything while watching his YouTube?"

The answer is no, I haven't seen an advertisement for anything while watching his YouTube.
 
You asked "Have you ever seen an advertisement for anything while watching his YouTube?"

The answer is no, I haven't seen an advertisement for anything while watching his YouTube.
Considering what youtube is like that severely stretches credibility.
 
(note this video of Chris is from another YouTuber and there were ads)

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"our sexes are based on the gametes we produce - sperm or eggs"
Professor Dave pointed out problems with this definition

This was originally posted by Axulus in post #2.
 

Also, this is why banning blockers is dumb. Yes, we HAVE looked into the consequences of delayed puberty.

Sex-steroid therapy after the age of 14 years in boys and 12 years in girls does not appear to enhance or reduce adult height. However, if started too early (some suggest bone age <10 years), such therapy may lead to premature closure of the growth plates and loss of adult height.
Studies in men with a history of self-limited delayed puberty variably report low or normal BMD, and previous androgen therapy does not appear to influence BMD in these men
Late pubertal onset in girls is protective against breast cancer and possibly against endometrial cancer. Recent studies suggest that some genetic loci independently affect both breast cancer risk and age at menarche. Late pubertal onset in boys appears to be protective for testicular cancer, but the role of pubertal timing in prostate cancer remains unclear.
Emerging evidence shows a U-shaped association curve, with both earlier and later onset of pubertal timing associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular disease in women. Factors that may contribute to this association include common genetic links and obesity.
There are discrepancies in the existing literature on nearly all outcomes of delayed puberty that have been examined, and publication bias may be a contributing factor
 
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A transgender person is a person whose gender identity does not match their assigned birth sex.

Gender identity is a person's deeply held sense of one's own gender which can range from male to female to gradations in between.

Gender is the range of social, psychological, cultural, and behavioral aspects of being a man, woman, other gender identity.

Gender identity is biologically determined by one's brain, primarily features that are present at birth and childhood. There is a lot of scientific support for this. All the biological determinants not yet known, it is an ongoing area of scientific study.

Gender dysphoria is a condition when ones assigned birth sex does not match their gender identity in a deep and fundamental way, causing persistent psychological distress and impairment in social, occupational or other areas of functioning.

One can be transgender but not experience gender dysphoria (or can experience very mild forms of it).

Anything you disagree with so far? I can't answer your question as I don't know what you mean when you say "wrong body." Bodies are neither right nor wrong, they just are what they are. Ones body as it exists may be one source causing the condition of gender dysphoria is the best I can give you.
Personally, I think the whole concept of "gender" is problematic. As with so much in biology it's a range, not a binary. And I think there's also a range in how we feel about it. A while back I posted a thread over in science about this--"wrong body" implies there's a "right body" and personally I have no feeling of right or wrong about it, it simply is.
 
It's funny how deeply committed to "biological reality" conservatives will pretend to be one minute, and in the next are blatantly denying that "woke" biologists know anything about sex or gender. It's almost as though they are full of shit and only wave around biological determinism as a banner that they assume agrees with their uneducated opinion right up until someone points out they have no idea what they are talking about. Just like they do with the Constitution, immigration law, the gold standard, and/or the half-eaten body of their crucified Lord.
 
You are aware that it what is in the child;s best interest may not always be what the parents want.

I think transitioning to another gender is a serious business that should be taken seriously by everyone involved - especially medical professionals.
So a 13 or even 12 year old girl getting mastectomies is in their best interest? Apparently some regret it and it isn’t possible for their breasts to produce milk again.
Since it's completely bonkers to think that's happening I'm not going to bother with the site.
 
A transgender person is a person whose gender identity does not match their assigned birth sex.
Sex is not assigned at birth. It's observed, almost always in utero, and it's determined around the sixth week of pregnancy, when the fetus is triggered onto either a mullerian or a wolffian process. If they follow the mullerian process, they will develop as a female; if the follow the wolffian they will develop as a male.
Gender identity is a person's deeply held sense of one's own gender which can range from male to female to gradations in between.

Gender is the range of social, psychological, cultural, and behavioral aspects of being a man, woman, other gender identity.

Gender identity is biologically determined by one's brain, primarily features that are present at birth and childhood. There is a lot of scientific support for this. All the biological determinants not yet known, it is an ongoing area of scientific study.
No, it is not biologically determined, and no, there is not a lot of scientific support for this. There's a lot of speculation and unsupported assertions for it, but there is to date no actual scientific evidence to support the idea that gender identity is biological in nature. There's not even any scientific evidence to support the idea that everyone has a gender identity.
 
I guess the bit about being binary is incorrect
Sex is binary in all anisogamous species. That includes all mammals, all birds, and the overwhelming majority of vertebrates.

Sex is defined based on the type or reproductive system that an individual develops. This stems from the fact that within species that reproduce sexually, there are only two types of gametes. Large sessile gametes are eggs, small motile gametes are sperm. Sexual reproduction occurs when two differently sized gametes merge and exchange DNA to create offspring.

Anisogamy developed a few hundred million years ago in our evolutionary lineage. Part of that evolutionary process also led to individuals within each species evolving reproductive systems that support the production of those two types of gametes. Across all species - including a lot of plants, we can observe two types of reproductive systems, although the formation of those systems differs from one species to another. The commonality is in the function of those systems. Within any given species, the set of individuals who have the system that has evolved to support the production and delivery of small motile gametes are called males. Those who have the system that evolved to support the production of large sessile gametes are called females. Note that the definition is dependent on the type of system that the individual develops, and which function that system evolved in concert with. It does not require that the individuals actually produce any gametes at all, nor does it require that the entire system is present and functional. Thus a prepubertal female is still female, even though she doesn't yet release mature eggs. And a male who has lost his testes through accident, illness, or intent is still a male even though he can no longer produce sperm.

For sex to be something other than binary, there would need to be an evolved reproductive system that supports the production of a different type of gamete. To date, there is no other type of gamete among humans - only sperm and eggs. Thus, sex in humans is strictly binary.
 
The cass review is junk science. They excluded any experts in trans care from the review. They excluded all rebuttal and used indefensible reasons for cherry picking research and it's about to happen again.
The cass review is not junk science. It reviewed all available research on the topic, and it only excluded those that rated as low quality by existing objective metrics that have been in use well prior to the review. It included and considered research that was of only moderate quality with very low sample sizes or case reviews. It did not cherry pick anything.

Please stop repeating misinformation.
 
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