Legal definition of woman is based on biological sex, UK supreme court rules

[seanie]

It’s curious.

Do you not give the tiniest shit about females having a fair sporting category?

 

[seanie]

I mean this may be a niche concern, but it has ramifications.

Are there circumstances where we can legitimately discriminate by sex?

 

[Elixir]

So fairness in women’s sports is unimportant to you?

Imputing unlikely beliefs is almost always a fail.

Fairness in sports is a matter of subjective judgement. But the determining factor is always money, not mathematical equivalences, the genetic composition of the performers, or gender bias or the lack thereof.
If a league prohibits asians or genetic males or whatever, and can capture the market, taking it away from the league that will take the best performers without regard to genetics, it will succeed, and so it will be. That’s why it has taken so long for women’s pro sports leagues to become financially viable, and truly profitable. Now, if they want to pull the rug out from under themselves by hiring drag queens or trans women, the “women’s” leagues will prob’ly lose in the long run.
Olympics are no different.

I’d call it simple irresponsible management rather than the outcome of some profound moral quagmire.

 

[Elixir]

I mean this may be a niche concern, but it has ramifications.

Are there circumstances where we can legitimately discriminate by sex?

Yes. Where it is monetarily profitable to do so.
Sexism sells pretty well.
I’m a little curious tho - does the LPGA for instance, allow trans players?

 

[Elixir]

Perplexity;

“Yes — but with major limits. The LPGA’s updated policy says transgender women may compete in elite LPGA events only if they transitioned before male puberty; transgender women who went through male puberty are barred from those competitions starting in 2025.

Only “elite” events? Sounds a little elitist eh?

 

[laughing dog]

an actual woman hasn't won an Olympic medal except Katie Ledecky in since 2012.

Wut?

It is satire.

 

[laughing dog]

I mean this may be a niche concern, but it has ramifications.

Are there circumstances where we can legitimately discriminate by sex?

But what about the trees?

 

[Elixir]

an actual woman hasn't won an Olympic medal except Katie Ledecky in since 2012.

Wut?

It is satire.

Facetiousness.
You guys are so mean.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It’s curious.

Do you not give the tiniest shit about females having a fair sporting category?

I certainly do. Most of the people who are railing against transgenders in general don't. The exact same people who mocked the US WNT soccer team for wanting equal treatment, from pay to training facilities.

Currently there are roughly as many unicorns in professional women's sports as there are transgenders.

ETA: traded an "ass" for an "as"

 

[Emily Lake]

So...

...how are we all feeling about the IOC's decision to reintroduce sex testing to protect fairness in women's sport, by trying to exclude males?

Excellent.

A one-time cheek swab seems like a pretty reasonable approach, and the vast majority of female athletes support it.

 

[Emily Lake]

And the wider salience is obvious.

If there are some circumstances, such as sports, where excluding males who identify as females from a female category is justified, might there be others?

Yes.

 

[TSwizzle]

It’s curious.

Do you not give the tiniest shit about females having a fair sporting category?

I certainly do. Most of the people who are railing against transgenders in general don't. {snip}

So who are these people you speak of and how do they rail against transgenders in general? What is it these people are railing against if not men competing in women's sports?

Currently there are roughly as many unicorns in professional women's sports as there are transgenders.

I don't understand this retort, what are you saying here? We know that men are competing in women's sports under the guise of being "transgender", Lia Thomas for example. Not a professional I know but it is still an example of a male competing in women's sports.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It’s curious.

Do you not give the tiniest shit about females having a fair sporting category?

I certainly do. Most of the people who are railing against transgenders in general don't. {snip}

So who are these people you speak of and how do they rail against transgenders in general? What is it these people are railing against if not men competing in women's sports?

Their existence and the passive aggressive insistence that transgenderism is a "choice".

Currently there are roughly as many unicorns in professional women's sports as there are transgenders.

I don't understand this retort, what are you saying here?

You and the far-right appear obsessed with a problem that in near non-existent (of which you even concede in your post as you aren't aware of any transgenders in professional womens sports). Riding up to the situation on your white horses to save women from the scourge of a non-existing epidemic.

We know that men are competing in women's sports under the guise of being "transgender", Lia Thomas for example.

Lia Thomas graduated four years ago. That is the only name you've got. Lia Thomas helped provide very good scientific data indicating that medicinal options appeared inadequate to make the post puberty transgender person compete fairly among women. This scientific data is helping to shape an unbiased foundation for setting fair policy.

 

[TSwizzle]

It’s curious.

Do you not give the tiniest shit about females having a fair sporting category?

I certainly do. Most of the people who are railing against transgenders in general don't. {snip}

So who are these people you speak of and how do they rail against transgenders in general? What is it these people are railing against if not men competing in women's sports?

Their existence

Their existence?! What does that actually entail? What does “railing against their existence” look like?

and the passive aggressive insistence that transgenderism is a "choice".

Can’t say I’ve heard that. Not something I have said.

Currently there are roughly as many unicorns in professional women's sports as there are transgenders.

I don't understand this retort, what are you saying here?

You and the far-right appear obsessed with a problem that in near non-existent (of which you even concede in your post as you aren't aware of any transgenders in professional womens sports).

I could search on it and probably find a few examples. But I’m not obsessed by trans men in women’s sports so I won’t bother. I vaguely remember a few that were in the news.

Riding up to the situation on your white horses to save women from the scourge of a non-existing epidemic.

What are you blathering on about now? I’m not saving anyone. I have an opinion about men competing against women in sports whether it be amateur (e.g. Olympics) or professional, women’s darts for example or snooker or whatever it was I vaguely remember.

We know that men are competing in women's sports under the guise of being "transgender", Lia Thomas for example.

Lia Thomas graduated four years ago.

Men are still competing in women’s sports, certainly in California.

That is the only name you've got. Lia Thomas helped provide very good scientific data indicating that medicinal options appeared inadequate to make the post puberty transgender person compete fairly among women. This scientific data is helping to shape an unbiased foundation for setting fair policy.

A fair policy would be to respect the wishes of female athletes who don’t want men in their sports. It’s not controversial or complicated.

 

[Politesse]

Their existence?! What does that actually entail? What does “railing against their existence” look like?

Denying that they exist. Denying them legal recognition. Denying their right to work, marriage, child-raising. Trying to make it illegal to teach about their existence in schools. Trying to erase trans people from histories and theologies. Denying trans people access to religious rites. Trying to boycott media that depict them. Trying to make it illegal for trans people to recieve adequate medical care. Trying to make it illegal for a parent to support their own trans child. Trying to make it illegal for a doctor or therapist to treat their trans patients. Trying to make it illegal for kids to play baseball. Trying to make it either illegal or unsafe for trans people to use a public restroom. Trying to make it illegal to apply for a passport under your true name and gender. Using government money to support anti-trans organizations, institutions, churches, and schools. Disproportionately imprisoning trans people. Disproportionately deporting trans people. Using government agencies to harass trans activist organizations. Redefining trans activist organizations as terrorist organizations.

In all cases, trying to make any and all 14th amendment rights contingent on accepting the twisted gender ideology of conservatives. In Trump's world (as in Orban's world, in Putin's world, in Hitler's world), you can have the rights of a citizen only insofar as you go back so far into the closet that you accept harm to yourself rather than exist publically as yourself.

We simply refuse. Morally, you deserve no rights that you attempt to deny others. But politically? No one in any position of power is trying to take your rights. You attack, you attack, you attack, then you pretend to be "persecuted" when no one has fired a shot except to publically call out your lies. It's grotesque.

 

[TSwizzle]

Their existence?! What does that actually entail? What does “railing against their existence” look like?

Denying that they exist.

Nobody denies that people exist, this is just silly.

Denying them legal recognition.

How does that work?

Denying their right to work, marriage, child-raising.

What are you on about?

Trying to make it illegal to teach about their existence in schools.

This is not “denying they exist”. This is between parents, PTA and schools about what is appropriate for pupils.

Trying to erase trans people from histories and theologies.

What are you on about now?

Denying trans people access to religious rites.

Lol.

Trying to boycott media that depict them.

Eh? I don’t watch Ru Paul’s Drag Race not because I’m boycotting transgenders but because it is of no interest to me. But it’s interesting how a show about transgenders that has been running for years and yet you claim there is a concerted effort to deny transgenders exist.

Trying to make it illegal {snip hysterical ranting}

Morally, you deserve no rights that you attempt to deny others. But politically? No one in any position of power is trying to take your rights. You attack, you attack, you attack, then you pretend to be "persecuted" when no one has fired a shot except to publically call out your lies. It's grotesque.

lol, such drama.

 

[Politesse]

Their existence?! What does that actually entail? What does “railing against their existence” look like?

Denying that they exist.

Nobody denies that people exist, this is just silly.

Denying them legal recognition.

How does that work?

Denying their right to work, marriage, child-raising.

What are you on about?

Trying to make it illegal to teach about their existence in schools.

This is not “denying they exist”. This is between parents, PTA and schools about what is appropriate for pupils.

Trying to erase trans people from histories and theologies.

What are you on about now?

Denying trans people access to religious rites.

Lol.

Trying to boycott media that depict them.

Eh? I don’t watch Ru Paul’s Drag Race not because I’m boycotting transgenders but because it is of no interest to me. But it’s interesting how a show about transgenders that has been running for years and yet you claim there is a concerted effort to deny transgenders exist.

Trying to make it illegal {snip hysterical ranting}

Morally, you deserve no rights that you attempt to deny others. But politically? No one in any position of power is trying to take your rights. You attack, you attack, you attack, then you pretend to be "persecuted" when no one has fired a shot except to publically call out your lies. It's grotesque.

lol, such drama.

"lol ur dumb what u talkin about i don read words hurr hurr hurr"

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trying to boycott media that depict them.

Eh? I don’t watch Ru Paul’s Drag Race not because I’m boycotting transgenders but because it is of no interest to me. But it’s interesting how a show about transgenders that has been running for years and yet you claim there is a concerted effort to deny transgenders exist.

I'm willing to guess that you also didn't set up a case of Bud Light and use it for target practice.

But that did happen.

 

[TSwizzle]

Trying to boycott media that depict them.

Eh? I don’t watch Ru Paul’s Drag Race not because I’m boycotting transgenders but because it is of no interest to me. But it’s interesting how a show about transgenders that has been running for years and yet you claim there is a concerted effort to deny transgenders exist.

I'm willing to guess that you also didn't set up a case of Bud Light and use it for target practice.

You would be correct. I don’t drink Bud Light (even if it is free) because it’s shit. Not because a cosplaying mental patient was briefly seen in an ad. And boy, did that nonsense backfire on Bud and the fuckwit that thought it was a good idea.

 

[scombrid]

Cosplaying mental patient. Also claims men are competing in women’s sports. Yeah, I’d say that amounts to asserting that trans is just a lifestyle choice.