Tennessee Fucks Up

[Elixir]

might the alternative of life in prison without parole.

But that’s so expensive! How about deporting them to Australia?

 

[WAB]

might the alternative of life in prison without parole.

But that’s so expensive! How about deporting them to Australia?

And goodness knows, there's no bad people there yet...


I've hit my quota of Australia jokes for this week. Off to watch Breaker Morant and have a Fosters, followed by listening to the Oils and stroking my Emu.

 

[Tigers!]

might the alternative of life in prison without parole.

But that’s so expensive! How about deporting them to Australia?

Thank you for your gracious offer. We will respectfully decline as we have sufficient already.
And anyway yank criminals never play well with the other inmates.

 

[Bomb#20]

So last night Florida executed someone who wanted to die. He had waived appeals. The man actually killed his cell mate in order to be executed so he wouldn’t spend decades more in prison. ...

Meh. Fine by me.

I pretty much think that anyone sentenced to life in prison should have the option to tap out whenever they want.

There is nothing stopping anyone from committing suicide in prison.

Well, nothing but the walls, the guards, and the cops. Most people who kill themselves use guns or poison; we've deliberately made those hard to get into prisons. Consequently, most prison suicides are by hanging. If you hang yourself your chance of dying is about 75%. If a prisoner hangs himself his chance of dying is about 2%. Prison guards have gotten pretty good at stopping anyone from committing suicide in prison.

 

[Tigers!]

So last night Florida executed someone who wanted to die. He had waived appeals. The man actually killed his cell mate in order to be executed so he wouldn’t spend decades more in prison. ...

Meh. Fine by me.

I pretty much think that anyone sentenced to life in prison should have the option to tap out whenever they want.

There is nothing stopping anyone from committing suicide in prison.

Well, nothing but the walls, the guards, and the cops. Most people who kill themselves use guns or poison; we've deliberately made those hard to get into prisons. Consequently, most prison suicides are by hanging. If you hang yourself your chance of dying is about 75%. If a prisoner hangs himself his chance of dying is about 2%.

Prison guards have gotten pretty good at stopping anyone from committing suicide in prison.

Unless their name is Epstein.

 

[bilby]

I pretty much think that anyone sentenced to life in prison should have the option to tap out whenever they want.

Why on Earth would we limit that freedom to criminals alone?

Indeed, why would we grant them that freedom at all? It seems to me that the whole structure of any just system of government should tend to increase freedom for those who act to improve the lives of others, while limiting freedom for those who act to make the lives of others less pleasant (eg criminals).

I pretty much think that anyone should have the option to tap out whenever they want, with the possible exception of those who are in prison, who should not have the option to unilaterally reduce the amount of time they spend inside.

 

[bilby]

There is nothing stopping anyone from committing suicide in prison.

There bloody well is. Prisons generally take significant steps to prevent inmates from killing themselves.

Sure, it is possible to commit suicide in prison. But few first-world prisons do nothing to stop it.

 

[WAB]

So last night Florida executed someone who wanted to die. He had waived appeals. The man actually killed his cell mate in order to be executed so he wouldn’t spend decades more in prison. ...

Meh. Fine by me.

I pretty much think that anyone sentenced to life in prison should have the option to tap out whenever they want.

There is nothing stopping anyone from committing suicide in prison.

Well, nothing but the walls, the guards, and the cops. Most people who kill themselves use guns or poison; we've deliberately made those hard to get into prisons. Consequently, most prison suicides are by hanging. If you hang yourself your chance of dying is about 75%. If a prisoner hangs himself his chance of dying is about 2%. Prison guards have gotten pretty good at stopping anyone from committing suicide in prison.

Speaking of walls, I saw a show once (don't remember which) wherein this guy kills himself in prison by slamming his head against the wall. Pure fiction, but it left me wondering if someone would have the tenacity to do that? And wouldn't you lose consciousness before doing fatal damage that way?

 

[laughing dog]

There is nothing stopping anyone from committing suicide in prison.

There bloody well is. Prisons generally take significant steps to prevent inmates from killing themselves.

Sure, it is possible to commit suicide in prison. But few first-world prisons do nothing to stop it.

I think anyone intent on committing suicide in prison will be successful, despite the prevention efforts of the prisons.

 

[Elixir]

Well, nothing but the walls, the guards, and the cops.

You’re never going to make it as a suicidal prisoner. Those things are tools, not obstacles! Jump off the wall, or attack the guard or the cop and they’ll help you out!

 

[bilby]

I think anyone intent on committing suicide in prison will be successful, despite the prevention efforts of the prisons.

I think that records of suicide attempts by prisoners that were prevented by the guards and/or by other anti-suicide measures, show that you are mistaken to think this.

 

[spikepipsqueak]

In an atheistic worldview there is no justice at all, ever. Good/evil - no difference between them. Boils down to might = right.

Bullshit, Tigers!. You're better than that.

As far as death being equated with justice as a religious concept, I think ideally it’s more of a pragmatic thing. The tribe shouldn’t have to feed a member whose presence within it is a detriment to the tribe. Ostracism can come back to bite you so, sorry Seymour, we gotta repo your molecules.

The cost to any society of training its citizens to believe that the right to live is a matter of pragmatism far outweighs any financial cost of maintaining criminals in isolation.

Doing that is how you fill your prisons in the first place.

 

[laughing dog]

I think anyone intent on committing suicide in prison will be successful, despite the prevention efforts of the prisons.

I think that records of suicide attempts by prisoners that were prevented by the guards and/or by other anti-suicide measures, show that you are mistaken to think this.

Shall we ask Jeffrey Epstein?

 

[bilby]

I think anyone intent on committing suicide in prison will be successful, despite the prevention efforts of the prisons.

I think that records of suicide attempts by prisoners that were prevented by the guards and/or by other anti-suicide measures, show that you are mistaken to think this.

Shall we ask Jeffrey Epstein?

A case in point. The big concern about Epstein's "suicide" stems from the fact that such attempts are usually, and therefore are expected to be, thwarted by the guards - leading to the question of why his particular case wasn't, and whether it was in fact suicide at all.

Of course some suicides in prison are successful. But that's a far cry from "anyone intent on committing suicide in prison will be successful". Most will not.

 

[Patooka]

There is nothing stopping anyone from committing suicide in prison.

There bloody well is. Prisons generally take significant steps to prevent inmates from killing themselves.

Sure, it is possible to commit suicide in prison. But few first-world prisons do nothing to stop it.

Chopper agrees with you. Just sayin' and agreeing. FYI

 

[Tigers!]

As far as death being equated with justice as a religious concept, I think ideally it’s more of a pragmatic thing. The tribe shouldn’t have to feed a member whose presence within it is a detriment to the tribe. Ostracism can come back to bite you so, sorry Seymour, we gotta repo your molecules.

The cost to any society of training its citizens to believe that the right to live is a matter of pragmatism far outweighs any financial cost of maintaining criminals in isolation.

Doing that is how you fill your prisons in the first place.

I have this statement a few times and still are not sure what you are trying to say.
My brain hurts.

 

[Patooka]

As far as death being equated with justice as a religious concept, I think ideally it’s more of a pragmatic thing. The tribe shouldn’t have to feed a member whose presence within it is a detriment to the tribe. Ostracism can come back to bite you so, sorry Seymour, we gotta repo your molecules.

The cost to any society of training its citizens to believe that the right to live is a matter of pragmatism far outweighs any financial cost of maintaining criminals in isolation.

Doing that is how you fill your prisons in the first place.

I have this statement a few times and still are not sure what you are trying to say.
My brain hurts.

"Empathy is better than hatred" is the short version.

 

[Tigers!]

As far as death being equated with justice as a religious concept, I think ideally it’s more of a pragmatic thing. The tribe shouldn’t have to feed a member whose presence within it is a detriment to the tribe. Ostracism can come back to bite you so, sorry Seymour, we gotta repo your molecules.

The cost to any society of training its citizens to believe that the right to live is a matter of pragmatism far outweighs any financial cost of maintaining criminals in isolation.

Doing that is how you fill your prisons in the first place.

I have this statement a few times and still are not sure what you are trying to say.
My brain hurts.

"Empathy is better than hatred" is the short version.

That is most concise. thank you.

 

[Politesse]

Cannot have religious concepts now can we?

Not as a basis for law, no.

Theocracies suck.

They're fundamentally unstable. When religions become governments, theological debates become wars.

 

[Bomb#20]

Speaking of walls, I saw a show once (don't remember which) wherein this guy kills himself in prison by slamming his head against the wall. Pure fiction, but it left me wondering if someone would have the tenacity to do that? And wouldn't you lose consciousness before doing fatal damage that way?

Normally, yes. Some Devil's Island prisoners are reported to have succeeded. You really need a prison system like that one that doesn't give a damn if the inmates live or die; otherwise a prisoner who tries it will be moved to a padded cell.