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Great, now this can-of-worms that had fizzled out and died is re-opened so I can spend my Sunday defending myself from attacks.
 
Rhea said:
My mother did make a venison pate' loaf once for Thanksgiving dinner. She had hit a deer with her car two days before and decided to have it for the big meal. She was sad that my brother snuck into the dining room and drew tire tracks on the pate' loaf.
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:hysterical: :hysterical:
 
Juma said:
rousseau said:
Saturday night:

Had foie gras parfait and venison with my parents and girlfriend.
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Why eating something (foie gras) that requires extreme cruelty to animals to be produced?

Didnt you know that or do you not care?
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Is it the cruelty, or the extreme cruelty, that is the problem?

Before a goose ends up on a serving platter, it will be killed by some method. I've seen chickens shoved headfirst into a funnel, which holds them immobile while a worker cuts their throats and they bleed to death. It took about a minute for them to stop kicking and cease those horrible noises. This was on an organic chicken farm, where I assume the chickens had a nice life, up to that point.

I know force feeding a goose in order for its diseased liver to be marketable seems gruesome to a human, but how do we know the goose doesn't like it?

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rousseau said:
Great, now this can-of-worms that had fizzled out and died is re-opened so I can spend my Sunday defending myself from attacks.
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If you brought red wine and crackers, I got your back, bro.
 
Bronzeage said:
rousseau said:
Great, now this can-of-worms that had fizzled out and died is re-opened so I can spend my Sunday defending myself from attacks.
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If you brought red wine and crackers, I got your back, bro.
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That sounds very gay to me. Are you going to defend yourself against Bronzage who's going to have your back rousseau?

Anyone fail to see a morality problem there? Or, is this just another chat that belongs in the Lounge?
 
fromderinside said:
Bronzeage said:
If you brought red wine and crackers, I got your back, bro.
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That sounds very gay to me. Are you going to defend yourself against Bronzage who's going to have your back rousseau?

Anyone fail to see a morality problem there? Or, is this just another chat that belongs in the Lounge?
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You're supposed to say, "That sounds very gay to me, not that there's anything wrong with that."

If we have failed to see the morality problem, perhaps you have failed to properly identify it. Humans kill other species of animals and eat them. Sometimes we select certain animals and give them special treatment before we kill them. Sooner or later, we kill them and eat them.

Please specify the exact moral failing here, and maybe we can bring it into better focus.
 
I've never had the pleasure of tasting venison. I imagine it tasting like veal only tougher? I have tried crocodile. That tastes like chicken.
 
angelo said:
I've never had the pleasure of tasting venison. I imagine it tasting like veal only tougher? I have tried crocodile. That tastes like chicken.
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No it tastes more gamey than beef, so certainly more gamey than veal.
 
angelo said:
I've never had the pleasure of tasting venison. I imagine it tasting like veal only tougher? I have tried crocodile. That tastes like chicken.
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The only way I have had venison was prepared like a pot roast, with a heavy gravy. I wouldn't have known it from really lean beef. I have had alligator, which is a lean white meat. I wouldn't say it tasted like chicken, but it's good.
 
Bronzeage said:
fromderinside said:
That sounds very gay to me. Are you going to defend yourself against Bronzage who's going to have your back rousseau?

Anyone fail to see a morality problem there? Or, is this just another chat that belongs in the Lounge?
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You're supposed to say, "That sounds very gay to me, not that there's anything wrong with that."

If we have failed to see the morality problem, perhaps you have failed to properly identify it. Humans kill other species of animals and eat them. Sometimes we select certain animals and give them special treatment before we kill them. Sooner or later, we kill them and eat them.

Please specify the exact moral failing here, and maybe we can bring it into better focus.
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Well since we do process animals for food, and we process animals in the name of science, and we process animals in the name of enlightenment and entertainment (that's a big coupling) perhaps we should use other than codes appropriate for humans for animals. Yet here we are arguing human codes for animals. That's a huge moral failing.

Over to you Bronzeage. Bring it into focus.
 
fromderinside said:
Bronzeage said:
You're supposed to say, "That sounds very gay to me, not that there's anything wrong with that."

If we have failed to see the morality problem, perhaps you have failed to properly identify it. Humans kill other species of animals and eat them. Sometimes we select certain animals and give them special treatment before we kill them. Sooner or later, we kill them and eat them.

Please specify the exact moral failing here, and maybe we can bring it into better focus.
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Well since we do process animals for food, and we process animals in the name of science, and we process animals in the name of enlightenment and entertainment (that's a big coupling) perhaps we should use other than codes appropriate for humans for animals. Yet here we are arguing human codes for animals. That's a huge moral failing.

Over to you Bronzeage. Bring it into focus.
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No, we are arguing human codes for humans.
 
fromderinside said:
Bronzeage said:
You're supposed to say, "That sounds very gay to me, not that there's anything wrong with that."

If we have failed to see the morality problem, perhaps you have failed to properly identify it. Humans kill other species of animals and eat them. Sometimes we select certain animals and give them special treatment before we kill them. Sooner or later, we kill them and eat them.

Please specify the exact moral failing here, and maybe we can bring it into better focus.
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Well since we do process animals for food, and we process animals in the name of science, and we process animals in the name of enlightenment and entertainment (that's a big coupling) perhaps we should use other than codes appropriate for humans for animals. Yet here we are arguing human codes for animals. That's a huge moral failing.

Over to you Bronzeage. Bring it into focus.
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We do use other codes for animals and always have.

The original supposition was that is is morally wrong for a human to eat the fatted liver of a goose, because the goose is treated cruelly before it is killed. In the case, the definition of "cruel" is a special application, in which a goose does not have to worry about pursuing food or any of the other necessities of life. Although it looks rough to our human eyes, is it cruel and thus immoral to treat a goose in this way?
 
It's for that reason that I will refuse to eat meat knowing the animal has been killed inhumanly, like halal slaughtering methods.
 
angelo said:
It's for that reason that I will refuse to eat meat knowing the animal has been killed inhumanly, like halal slaughtering methods.
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Killing an animal humanely seems to be a contradiction in terms.
 
It is often important to prevent suffering in animals that you are about to kill for food, because stress can render the meat tough, or introduce unpleasant flavours.

This does not appear to be a problem with goose liver pate, however.
 
bilby said:
It is often important to prevent suffering in animals that you are about to kill for food, because stress can render the meat tough, or introduce unpleasant flavours.

This does not appear to be a problem with goose liver pate, however.
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I suppose that's why running a herd of buffalo over a cliff always resulted in hard to chew steaks.
 
Bronzeage said:
I suppose that's why running a herd of buffalo over a cliff always resulted in hard to chew steaks.
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Seems to me that causing animals to fall upon one another after a jolting crash from fifty to two hundred feet would tenderize the meat. Don't you use a similar process to tenderize sirloin for sandwiches?

Seriously its an open question terminal whether fear or stress impacts meat quality. It is known that seeing death leads bovines to panic, stampede, commit suicide, trying to escape. More likely that is why we conceal dying from those next in line.

As for standards that are animal specific, The fact is all I see are anthropomorphic reasons for any animal morality statements. That such should constitute a morality statement for animals says a lot about moral statements in general.
 
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