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Driving all those banana benders around isn't a bonus in itself?
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I've not advocated voting for Trump. But holding Harris above any criticism is taking things way the hell too far, and she has done nothing to deserve such loyalty.
southernhybrid
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I know that he is or was a horrible man, but people can change, especially as they age and realize they've made terrible mistakes in the past, so regardless of his horrible past, I think it's positive that even someone like Cheney can realize that the current Republican candidate is a dire threat to the country.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if his kind, thoughtful daughter, who's policies I don't support, influenced her father to support Harris. I read the book that Liz wrote about how the two parties investigated Trump, and how considerate they were to each other, regardless of their different political views. That's the way it should be. We are all humans, which I consider to be the most flawed species on the planet, but when we work together and even find value in compromise, that's a good thing, imo.
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Agree, and it's also true about Mitt Romney and (at least some of the time) George Will. And Mona Charen...Good God, she takes a four foot paddle to Trump's ass in every column. Contrast that with George W. Bush, who has abdicated any sense of leadership and duty to the nation, and wants only to chuckle as he recedes over the horizon.
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It is worth noting that while the Democrats have cleaved to the center and leaned (and continue to lean) on "compromise to get part of the things we want" for some time now, that path is running out of road. While the Democrats have been doing that, the Republicans have been doing the opposite. The 90s were the beginning with Newt and the endless investigations into Clinton/gumming up the works, it continued with the "party of no" thing during the Obama years (coupled with the rise of the Tea Party faction), but then 2016 came along and accelerated everything...in some cases even farther and faster than the Republicans themselves expected.
Trump wasn't what the leadership wanted. They wanted a Jeb! or a Paul Ryan type to continue the steady march towards their ideal Republican society...with billionaires and corporations running the show and the government using it's power to keep the "others" under strict control. Gilead-Lite if you will. Then Trump smashed all the dishes in the China shop and the GOP didn't quite know what to do with him. Then they remembered "oh that's right...we've got all the racists, bigots, and radical right wing militia types on our side," and shifted to follow Trump's lead of pandering to the most radical elements of the voter base. The white folks who never quite got over the whole Civil Rights thing. The evangelicals who were pissed off that there's more gay people in the sitcoms they don't watch. Then of course there's the Christian Nationalists (and I realize there's some overlap between all of these groups) who don't want to settle for Gilead-Lite. Then Roe was overturned...which had always been a "just out of reach" dream...and the party went "fuck it, we'll go as far right as we can...just don't bring out the brown shirts...yet."
And yes, there are still "moderates" within the party, but they've completely lost control of the GOP. Had Trump never been mocked by Obama at that dinner and decided to live out his days golfing and banging porn stars, by this time Liz Cheney might very well be a leading candidate for the GOP nod for President. Now she's essentially kicked out of her own party and is endorsing a Democrat. So I think right now the answer for the Democrats is to hold that center, accept whatever help the disaffected Republicans can offer, and crush Trump in a victory so sweeping the GOP realizes that MAGA is going to be the death of them.
Unfortunately - according to current polling at least - the election is shaping up to be something less than a landslide for Harris, if it's even a win at all. She'll take the popular vote, but everything else is a crap shoot.
Note that even if you aren't paid anything at installation there can be subsidies in the form of utilities being expected to buy back power at a rate above it's true value.
I live in Bulgaria nowadays.
I do not know the profit/subsidiaries in Finland. Anyway, a governmental study showed some years ago that with the newest tech it is profitable. I have a friend living at the Polar Circle and he has built a system and he says that it works, but in the middle of winter, he needs some additional electricity source. He is "a propeller-hat" - that helps I think.
Here in Bulgaria - too much sun in the summer - no subsidies.
southernhybrid
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Has anyone mentioned that the woman who started the false rumor about immigrants eating cats has apologized?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...-by-trump-admits-claims-are-false/ar-AA1qAyYY
I can't copy the information in the link for some reason, but she also said she's mixed race and a member of the LBGTQ community and was given some misinformation about a cat hanging from a tree in a neighbor's yard. She never thought this would escalate like it did etc.
So, who thinks Trump and his idiots will stop spreading these lies? Call me highly skeptical.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...-by-trump-admits-claims-are-false/ar-AA1qAyYY
I can't copy the information in the link for some reason, but she also said she's mixed race and a member of the LBGTQ community and was given some misinformation about a cat hanging from a tree in a neighbor's yard. She never thought this would escalate like it did etc.
So, who thinks Trump and his idiots will stop spreading these lies? Call me highly skeptical.
Shadowy Man
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But Trump saw it on TV!!11!!
Jason Harvestdancer
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You know he is a horrible man, and you're hoping he has changed so that you can think of the endorsement in a good light. Dick Cheney is interested in war, bombs, killing, destruction, and defense industry profits. That's who he is. Saying he changed as he aged makes sense for someone going from 20 to 40, not for someone Cheney's age.
Cheney realizes that the current Republican candidate is a dire threat to the defense industry's bottom line, and even worse, there may be poor brown kids who will live instead of die. I think those kids living is a good thing, Cheney thinks it is a bad thing.
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Who is suggesting holding her above any criticism? What I think is let’s get her elected first, and then see what she does, as opposed to what she says, because the alternative is unthinkable.
Jason Harvestdancer
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So everything is a giant conspiracy? Are the Illuminati involved? Or is it Reptilians?
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It's clear you don't want any of those things. I agree with you that criticism of any candidate should be on the table. However, and I know you're in California, so your third party vote won't make a difference, but there are people like you in swing states that helped Trump win in 2016.
This election is about tyranny or slower progress than you'd like. Non-tyranny is the only option we have. We have a disgustingly staid two party system and it's not going to change in your or my lifetime. However, if the Dems can stay in office long enough, we can eventually rid ourselves of this current SCOTUS and move forward.
A POTUS can't be held accountable for any "official" actions anymore. I trust Harris to not abuse that because the Dems have been rigid rule followers who through whatever terms you may choose to describe it, should be a good thing.
Cliches are irritating and often meaningless remarks, but you are indeed letting perfection be the enemy of good. In this case, politics as usual is the good--and the best we can hope for.
Most guys like eating pussy!
The problem here is that "hotness" isn't the right description. Desirability is more than just looks.
But the fundamental problem remains--those at the top get more, those at the bottom get none.
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This just in:
We know now that the "Haitians are eating cats and dogs" story came from a woman who posted online that a neighbor's daughter's friend had heard that Haitians were skinning and eating cats in Springfield. The original source has herself said she regrets posting it and now fears for her family's safety. JD Vance picked up on the viral post, amplified it, and that of course led to Trump's rant in the debate.
Now Vance has admitted that he "created" the story. Not that he shared the post and boosted it, but deliberately created the story out of those flimsy origins. Seriously.
We know now that the "Haitians are eating cats and dogs" story came from a woman who posted online that a neighbor's daughter's friend had heard that Haitians were skinning and eating cats in Springfield. The original source has herself said she regrets posting it and now fears for her family's safety. JD Vance picked up on the viral post, amplified it, and that of course led to Trump's rant in the debate.
Now Vance has admitted that he "created" the story. Not that he shared the post and boosted it, but deliberately created the story out of those flimsy origins. Seriously.
The problem with this logic is that inherently there must be someone at the bottom of the desirability list. It's simply not possible for that not to be the case.
Like with the job market after the housing collapse. All this crap about trying harder did absolutely nothing about the fact that there were more job seekers than jobs. You look at it and conclude, correctly, that hotness isn't a required attribute. But that doesn't mean there aren't required attributes, just that you failed to identify them.
thebeave
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IIRC, Bronzeage has described himself (at least in his younger days) as "built like a Chippendale dancer". So, he may think the ladies were really after his clean fingernails, tucked in shirt and charm, but it seems likely he is deluding himself.
It's not just in running for office. You get the same issue when there's a range of demand and two sources of supply. It is always in a supplier's interest to move towards the other supplier. The demand that comes from beyond will come to them anyway, the only competition is for the demand between the suppliers.
Swammerdami
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No matter how evil we think Dick Cheney was, or still is, it remains a fact that even evil men have motives; and intelligent evil men have intelligent (if evil) purposes. It was decades ago that Cheney may have had specific financial goals for his foolish adventure.
The simplistic meme that Cheney cares only about maximizing human tears or bloodshed is too inane to even be called "childish."
Elixir
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“We can do that, and for less.” when referring to a competitor.
Always the best answer, as long as you have a track record. Which is why Dolt45 lies about his track record ad nauseum.
The credibility his bragging lies have produced has landed him in court again and again, enabled him to sucker in and rip off banks (the public) with his 6 bankruptcies, and is in massive debt to Putin. But lies about his nonexistent capability still suck in the rubes. So many buyers, it’s tragic. When he destroys the current economy he will blame it on Harris/Biden/Obama. And when it’s still cratering in ten years he’ll sic the Army on protesters.