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Politesse said:
TSwizzle said:
Speaking of MSNBC;

MSNBC has been slammed for comparing Donald Trump's rally at Madison Square Garden to a 1939 Nazi gathering at the same venue. Host Jonathan Capehart recalled the Nazi rally when speaking about Trump's event on Sunday, saying that 'in 1939, more than 20,000 supporters of a different fascist leader, Adolf Hitler, packed the Garden for a so-called pro-America rally.' MSNBC showed images of the Nazi rally at the Garden, complete with goose-stepping and Hitler salutes, as Capehart accused Trump of holding a fascist event at the iconic venue.

But it wasn't just MSNBC that made the controversial comparison - democratic candidate for VP Tim Walz said: 'There’s a direct parallel to a big rally that happened in the mid-1930s at Madison Square Garden.'

Democrats have increasingly started to brand Trump a fascist and liken him to Adolf Hitler in recent weeks, as liberal fears of a Trump landslide increase.
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Despite the full weight of the MSM behind KKKackling KKKamala, she is still likely heading to defeat.
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You're quoting a tabloid's attack on legitimate reporting as evidence of the unreason of others, I see. An interesting strategy! A bit unhinged, but interesting.
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"legitimate reporting" you say? To equate Trump's rally in MSG to the pro Nazi rally of 1939 is what's unhinged fella. But you will run with it.
 
In TSwizzles' argument's defense, The Nazis would have scrutinized Trump's maternal Scottish lineage, making it impossible for him to be accepted as fully Aryan without a "pure" German lineage. In the hierarchical structure of Nazi Germany, Trump’s heritage, personality, and potential ideological variances would likely have placed him in a precarious position, despite his partial German ancestry.

So, turns out Trump couldn’t even nail being a Nazi properly. Just chalk it up as one more for his failure list—though, for once, it's actually a win for Trump.
 
I'd note that the issue isn't the Jewish, though that march in Virginia did present a particular suggestion it is. The immigrants are the new Jewish or maybe better paralleled as the new gypsies. Trump's campaign hit hard to the right-wing populist direction, fomenting hate for turn out. Trump isn't a Nazi, but the mechanisms the Trump campaign are using are right-wing populist. Violence, hate, anger.

At least the Germans were suffering under the Great Depression. The Trump supporters are angry they can't use the 'n-word'.
 
TSwizzle said:
"legitimate reporting" you say? To equate Trump's rally in MSG to the pro Nazi rally of 1939 is what's unhinged fella. But you will run with it.
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Speaking for myself,
Trump seemed suspiciously fascist even before he won the GOP nomination in 2016. So much so I didn't think he'd even win that.

Since then he's done a great job of demonstrating that I was correct in my assessment. I fault the Media for being kinda mealy mouthed about it.
Tom
 
Fires started in drop off election boxes.
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The Portland Police Bureau reported that officers and firefighters responded to a fire in one ballot drop box at about 3:30 a.m. and determined an incendiary device had been placed inside. Multnomah County Elections Director Tim Scott said a fire suppressant inside the drop box protected nearly all the ballots; only three were damaged, and his office planned to contact those voters to help them obtain replacement ballots.

A few hours later, across the Columbia River in Vancouver, television crews captured footage of smoke pouring out of a ballot box at a transit center. Vancouver is the biggest city in Washington's 3rd Congressional District, the site of what is expected to be one of the closest U.S. House races in the country, between first-term Democratic Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez and Republican challenger Joe Kent.

Clark County Auditor Greg Kimsey in Vancouver told The Associated Press that the ballot drop box at the Fisher’s Landing Transit Center also had a fire suppression system inside, but for some reason it wasn't effective. Responders pulled a burning pile of ballots from inside the box, and Kimsey said hundreds were lost.
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ZiprHead said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Meanwhile Washington Post won't endorse candidate.
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The editorial board wants to but the Beez is afraid of the Orange Meany.
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For The Post, more outrage from readers who say they’ve canceled After Friday’s announcement that The Washington Post was no longer going to endorse a presidential candidate, subscribers and journalists are responding with anger and dismay.

And, crucially, subscription numbers, which had tumbled since the end of the Trump administration, were ticking up ever so slightly.

That momentum came to a halt over the weekend, after Friday’s surprise announcement by Publisher William Lewis that The Post’s editorial section would cease its long tradition of endorsing a presidential candidate — a decision he made public just 11 days before Election Day.

The outrage at the decision has been swift — from Post readers, journalism leaders, politicians and dismayed employees. A cancellation movement swept through social networks. Instead of using an internal analytics tool to check traffic to their own stories, some Post journalists used it to chart the soaring number of subscribers visiting the customer account page that allows them to cancel their subscriptions. (A Post spokeswoman declined to provide cancellation numbers Sunday, and Lewis did not respond to an interview request.)

On social media, sharing screenshots of Post subscription cancellation confirmations became more than just a thing. It was a political statement primarily coming from the American left, enraged by reports in The Post and elsewhere that the newspaper’s editorial writers had drafted an endorsement of the Democratic nominee, Vice President Kamala Harris, over her Republican opponent, former president Donald Trump.
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laughing dog said:
thebeave said:
I'm not familiar with ProPublica. However, it is interesting how demonized Daily Mail and New York Post get on this forum for being way right wing and unreliable, yet media I see on the left side of the chart gets a free pass on this forum (unless Derec calls it out) and is ranked as more biased (toward the left side) and at least as unreliable. Examples being: Daily Kos, Root, Jacobin, MSNBC, Salon, Daily Beast.
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Whataboutism is whining.
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ProPublica is normally careful about the facts--but that doesn't mean they don't cherry pick.
 
TSwizzle said:
Speaking of MSNBC;

MSNBC has been slammed for comparing Donald Trump's rally at Madison Square Garden to a 1939 Nazi gathering at the same venue. Host Jonathan Capehart recalled the Nazi rally when speaking about Trump's event on Sunday, saying that 'in 1939, more than 20,000 supporters of a different fascist leader, Adolf Hitler, packed the Garden for a so-called pro-America rally.' MSNBC showed images of the Nazi rally at the Garden, complete with goose-stepping and Hitler salutes, as Capehart accused Trump of holding a fascist event at the iconic venue.

But it wasn't just MSNBC that made the controversial comparison - democratic candidate for VP Tim Walz said: 'There’s a direct parallel to a big rally that happened in the mid-1930s at Madison Square Garden.'

Democrats have increasingly started to brand Trump a fascist and liken him to Adolf Hitler in recent weeks, as liberal fears of a Trump landslide increase.
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Daily Mail


Despite the full weight of the MSM behind KKKackling KKKamala, she is still likely heading to defeat.
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How in the world do you think insinuating that a black person associates with the Klan makes any sense?
 
After standing shoulder to shoulder with the Tiananmen Square protesters, Tampon Tim was seemingly boffing one of the communist offical's daughter;

Tim Walz had a secret fling with the daughter of a high-ranking Communist official during his 1989 teaching stint in China, DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal. Jenna Wang, 59, claims the VP hopeful showered her with gifts and seduced her at his poky staff accommodation at No. 1 High School in Foshan, Guangdong Province. The lovers could not risk holding hands or showing affection in public because Wang's dad was a high-ranking figure in the Chinese Communist Party who would disown her for fraternizing with a westerner. But their romance blossomed behind closed doors as they sipped tea, made love and listened to George Michael hits – leading the then 24-year-old Wang to dream about marriage and a new life in the United States. 'Tim was very passionate and very romantic. I can still remember dancing with him to our favorite song, Careless Whisper,' she told DailyMail.com in an exclusive interview.
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This story could just be hogwash but the mention of Tampon Tim being a George Michael fan does make it seem credible.
 
TSwizzle said:
After standing shoulder to shoulder with the Tiananmen Square protesters, Tampon Tim was seemingly boffing one of the communist offical's daughter;

Tim Walz had a secret fling with the daughter of a high-ranking Communist official during his 1989 teaching stint in China, DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal. Jenna Wang, 59, claims the VP hopeful showered her with gifts and seduced her at his poky staff accommodation at No. 1 High School in Foshan, Guangdong Province. The lovers could not risk holding hands or showing affection in public because Wang's dad was a high-ranking figure in the Chinese Communist Party who would disown her for fraternizing with a westerner. But their romance blossomed behind closed doors as they sipped tea, made love and listened to George Michael hits – leading the then 24-year-old Wang to dream about marriage and a new life in the United States. 'Tim was very passionate and very romantic. I can still remember dancing with him to our favorite song, Careless Whisper,' she told DailyMail.com in an exclusive interview.
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This story could just be hogwash but the mention of Tampon Tim being a George Michael fan does make it seem credible.
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The high ranking communist official named his daughter Jenna in 1965???

ETA: Respect. The guy got a hot oriental chick.
 
Gospel said:
In TSwizzles' argument's defense, The Nazis would have scrutinized Trump's maternal Scottish lineage, making it impossible for him to be accepted as fully Aryan without a "pure" German lineage. In the hierarchical structure of Nazi Germany, Trump’s heritage, personality, and potential ideological variances would likely have placed him in a precarious position, despite his partial German ancestry.

So, turns out Trump couldn’t even nail being a Nazi properly. Just chalk it up as one more for his failure list—though, for once, it's actually a win for Trump.
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Rules are, and were, for the little people. Hitler required documentary proof of Aryan ancestry for people to be considered "True Germans", with privileges such as eligibity to marry, or serve in the SS (and of course, later simply the privilege not to be rounded up and murdered); but could not meet that standard himself. As German historian Joachim Fest remarked:

The indulgence normally accorded to a man's origins is out of place in the case of Adolf Hitler, who made documentary proof of Aryan ancestry a matter of life and death for millions of people but himself possessed no such document. He did not know who his grandfather was. Intensive research into his origins, accounts of which have been distorted by propagandist legends and which are in any case confused and murky, has failed so far to produce a clear picture.
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thebeave said:
I'm not familiar with ProPublica. However, it is interesting how demonized Daily Mail and New York Post get on this forum for being way right wing and unreliable, yet media I see on the left side of the chart gets a free pass on this forum (unless Derec calls it out) and is ranked as more biased (toward the left side) and at least as unreliable. Examples being: Daily Kos, Root, Jacobin, MSNBC, Salon, Daily Beast.
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Each of those outfits you've listed are significantly more reliable than the Daily Fail or the NYP, chart notwithstanding. Although I wouldn't call Daily Kos a news outlet, more of an op-ed site.
 
A question about the process after the election.
Why is there such a long time between the election and the coronation (early Nov - late Jan)?
In Aust. the new government is sworn in a couple of days after the election count is completed. Usually we have a new government in less than a week.
It that an historical reason?
 
Tigers! said:
A question about the process after the election.
Why is there such a long time between the election and the coronation (early Nov - late Jan)?
In Aust. the new government is sworn in a couple of days after the election count is completed. Usually we have a new government in less than a week.
It that an historical reason?
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Historically, it was four months before the new government opened for business. Among its many electoral reforms, the 20th Constitutional Amendment greatly reduced this delay, in response to the failure of continuous government that precipitated the financial crisis of 1932.
 
Tigers! said:
A question about the process after the election.
Why is there such a long time between the election and the coronation (early Nov - late Jan)?
In Aust. the new government is sworn in a couple of days after the election count is completed. Usually we have a new government in less than a week.
It that an historical reason?
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Partly because the election isn’t decided based on the people’s vote. The electoral college votes in December.

recall that these rules were first established in the late 1700s.
 
ZiprHead said:
The high ranking communist official named his daughter Jenna in 1965???
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This would probably have been an English name she chose for herself much later.

I know a "Harry" Lee from Vietnam. No idea what his birth name is...
 
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