Another Fucking Mass Shooting At US School

[Politesse]

There are blonde people from Mexico as well.

Some, not many. And just because there are some blond people in Mexico does not say anything about Garcia and Tarrio.

Being Hispanic does not mean that you cannot be a white supremacist.

But being non-white makes that non-credible.

Look at Enrique Tarrio, recently convicted of sedition, along with a bunch of other serious offenses.

I do not think he is a white supremacist either. Or that "Proud Boys" are. Right wingers? Yes. But those are two different things.

I believe you when you say you don't think the Proud Boys aren't white supremacists.

The  Proud Boys usually deny any white supremacist ideology, although they certainly participated in white supremacist demonstrations. However, they are sometimes described as " alt-lite". They characterize the alt-right as more into white supremacy, whereas they merely support "Western culture", which is associated with  White genocide conspiracy theory. Nobody is really fooled, but it makes some on the right less embarrassed to associate with them. Roger Stone was considered an honorary member and acted as the liaison with Donald Trump.

They are most certainly anti-Black. But they call it anti-Woke, because they don't want to lose the support of the "decent folk" of Americana-land.

 

[Patooka]

They are most certainly anti-Black. But they call it anti-Woke, because they don't want to lose the support of the "decent folk" of Americana-land.

Make sure you equate "black" with "antifa thug" though. And always imply antifa as interchangeable with BLM. AKA the Lee Atwater Technique.

 

[repoman]

They are most certainly anti-Black. But they call it anti-Woke, because they don't want to lose the support of the "decent folk" of Americana-land.

Make sure you equate "black" with "antifa thug" though. And always imply antifa as interchangeable with BLM. AKA the Lee Atwater Technique.

That is nonsense. Antifa is fairly white.

 

[Politesse]

They are most certainly anti-Black. But they call it anti-Woke, because they don't want to lose the support of the "decent folk" of Americana-land.

Make sure you equate "black" with "antifa thug" though. And always imply antifa as interchangeable with BLM. AKA the Lee Atwater Technique.

All Blacks are Antifa in right-wing discourse. But not all Antifa are black, most are white "college students and retirees", aka race traitors.

 

[Toni]

There are blonde people from Mexico as well.

Some, not many. And just because there are some blond people in Mexico does not say anything about Garcia and Tarrio.

Being Hispanic does not mean that you cannot be a white supremacist.

But being non-white makes that non-credible.

Look at Enrique Tarrio, recently convicted of sedition, along with a bunch of other serious offenses.

I do not think he is a white supremacist either. Or that "Proud Boys" are. Right wingers? Yes. But those are two different things.

I believe you when you say you don't think the Proud Boys aren't white supremacists.

The  Proud Boys usually deny any white supremacist ideology, although they certainly participated in white supremacist demonstrations. However, they are sometimes described as " alt-lite". They characterize the alt-right as more into white supremacy, whereas they merely support "Western culture", which is associated with  White genocide conspiracy theory. Nobody is really fooled, but it makes some on the right less embarrassed to associate with them. Roger Stone was considered an honorary member and acted as the liaison with Donald Trump.

They are most certainly anti-Black. But they call it anti-Woke, because they don't want to lose the support of the "decent folk" of Americana-land.

Makes you wonder if there's a brown paper bag test they grade members on...

 

[Elixir]

Antifa is fairly white.

As reported by … ?
Were all those surveyed verified Antifa members? Who is the Antifa leader or leaders? How much white is “fairly white” vs “not very white” or “very white”?

 

[repoman]

Antifa is fairly white.

As reported by … ?
Were all those surveyed verified Antifa members? Who is the Antifa leader or leaders? How much white is “fairly white” vs “not very white” or “very white”?

I have eyes and so do you, there were tons of white people in the antifa marches I lurked in Seattle. . Antifa has a sensible strategy of denial unlike the idiot Proud Boys who are constantly making all of their moves documentable.

I can respect that about Antifa, even if I don't like them.

 

[repoman]

They are most certainly anti-Black. But they call it anti-Woke, because they don't want to lose the support of the "decent folk" of Americana-land.

Make sure you equate "black" with "antifa thug" though. And always imply antifa as interchangeable with BLM. AKA the Lee Atwater Technique.

All Blacks are Antifa in right-wing discourse. But not all Antifa are black, most are white "college students and retirees", aka race traitors.

What strawman is this?

I have never seen a claim from right wing sources that claimed Antifa did not have a very big proportion of white people involved in it.

 

[Copernicus]

The Black Lives Matter movement started out in the black community, but it went viral. Little known fact: in the US, only roughly 14% of the population is black, so a viral movement wasn't likely to appear as only black for long. Repoman observed that it was mostly white in the Seattle area, but that area is roughly only 8% black. It is, of course, Democratic and very liberal, which would make BLM even more popular among whites than elsewhere in the country. So, the fact that BLM is supported by a mostly white number of people is rather unsurprising. There are a lot of white people in the US who are not Republicans and not conservative. Non-woke whites might tend to look at all the white faces in those demonstrations and see it as mainly something that only woke white liberals are supporting.

The following article from 2021 shows that those favoring the BLM movement included 83% of blacks, 47% of whites, 60% of Hispanics, and 68% of Asians. Overall, 55% of Americans supported the movement.

Support for Black Lives Matter declined after George Floyd protests, but has remained unchanged since​

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There are blonde people from Mexico as well.

Some, not many. And just because there are some blond people in Mexico does not say anything about Garcia and Tarrio.

Being Hispanic does not mean that you cannot be a white supremacist.

But being non-white makes that non-credible.

Look at Enrique Tarrio, recently convicted of sedition, along with a bunch of other serious offenses.

I do not think he is a white supremacist either. Or that "Proud Boys" are. Right wingers? Yes. But those are two different things.

I believe you when you say you don't think the Proud Boys aren't white supremacists.

The  Proud Boys usually deny any white supremacist ideology, although they certainly participated in white supremacist demonstrations. However, they are sometimes described as " alt-lite". They characterize the alt-right as more into white supremacy, whereas they merely support "Western culture", which is associated with  White genocide conspiracy theory. Nobody is really fooled, but it makes some on the right less embarrassed to associate with them. Roger Stone was considered an honorary member and acted as the liaison with Donald Trump.

They are most certainly anti-Black. But they call it anti-Woke, because they don't want to lose the support of the "decent folk" of Americana-land.

Makes you wonder if there's a brown paper bag test they grade members on...

I remember some trying to remind people that minorities can be racist, but now they seem to be stepping that one back. Or were they just talking about racist against whites?

 

[Elixir]

Antifa has a sensible strategy of denial unlike the idiot Proud Boys

Yeah, not existing makes one hard to find. Did you notice how Proud Boys have a command structure, a leadership heirarchly, training grounds, comms equipment, weaponry …
Just like Antifa, in the addled minds of right wingers.

 

[Toni]

Has it occurred to anyone else that the alt right is/was developed precisely to be that well armed militia that our non-elected overlords can deploy to take over the country? I mean, this last time, they got a (still sitting for a few more days) POTUS to deploy them. What if next time, it's a not incompetent crazy person? I cannot shake the feeling that this NRA death cult ideology is more than just a way to gain control over the US by owning enough law makers. They need to have their own army as well.

 

[Politesse]

Always was. The wealthy and powerful used to use the Klan the same way, to swing elections they could never win democratically. But its reputation became tarnished, so they've had to look elsewhere for their unofficial muscle.

 

[Derec]

They are most certainly anti-Black. But they call it anti-Woke, because they don't want to lose the support of the "decent folk" of Americana-land.

Those are not the same thing. Not by a longshot. Being anti-black is being against a whole race of people. Being anti-woke is being against a particular political ideology associated with anti-police riots of 2014-2020.
To conflate the two is highly disingenuous.

 

[Derec]

Always was. The wealthy and powerful used to use the Klan the same way, to swing elections they could never win democratically. But its reputation became tarnished, so they've had to look elsewhere for their unofficial muscle.

A thread started with a school shooting and by the time there was a mal shooting it degenerated into this kind of conspiracy theorizing. Smfh.

 

[Politesse]

They are most certainly anti-Black. But they call it anti-Woke, because they don't want to lose the support of the "decent folk" of Americana-land.

Those are not the same thing. Not by a longshot. Being anti-black is being against a whole race of people. Being anti-woke is being against a particular political ideology associated with anti-police riots of 2014-2020.
To conflate the two is highly disingenuous.

Of course it mother-fucking is. And they do it all the goddamned time.

 

[Politesse]

Always was. The wealthy and powerful used to use the Klan the same way, to swing elections they could never win democratically. But its reputation became tarnished, so they've had to look elsewhere for their unofficial muscle.

A thread started with a school shooting and by the time there was a mal shooting it degenerated into this kind of conspiracy theorizing. Smfh.

Well, yeah. When there's a mass shooting every day and the government refuses to take any substantive action except prayer to prevent more shootings from happening, it tends to raise questions about the motivations of those involved.

 

[Copernicus]

They are most certainly anti-Black. But they call it anti-Woke, because they don't want to lose the support of the "decent folk" of Americana-land.

Those are not the same thing. Not by a longshot. Being anti-black is being against a whole race of people. Being anti-woke is being against a particular political ideology associated with anti-police riots of 2014-2020.
To conflate the two is highly disingenuous.

To choose voting districts grounded in race and ethnic identities, because those groups happen to vote for "woke" politics, is purely racist. In most cases, racial demographics is the basis for drawing those maps, even if some Supreme Court justices use politics as a pretext for ignoring the racial criteria actually used.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

They are most certainly anti-Black. But they call it anti-Woke, because they don't want to lose the support of the "decent folk" of Americana-land.

Those are not the same thing. Not by a longshot. Being anti-black is being against a whole race of people. Being anti-woke is being against a particular political ideology associated with anti-police riots of 2014-2020.
To conflate the two is highly disingenuous.

Wait, did you just complain about something being highly disingenuous but also conflatie "woke" with anti-police riots when the term is much much broader?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Always was. The wealthy and powerful used to use the Klan the same way, to swing elections they could never win democratically. But its reputation became tarnished, so they've had to look elsewhere for their unofficial muscle.

A thread started with a school shooting and by the time there was a mal shooting it degenerated into this kind of conspiracy theorizing. Smfh.

"Stand back and stand by"? Yes, this should be conspiracy theory crap... unfortunately we have those alt-right / white supremos getting convicted for sedition that was occurring with the sitting President inciting them to violence (but not violence... but violence)!