Biden Pardons Hunter

[Jimmy Higgins]

But somehow pardoning his son to save him from Trump’s juvenile vengeance … makes Joe just as corrupt as The Felon?

It obviously makes him a fucking corrupt hypocrite, yes. If his son wanted to be protected from the law, he shouldn't have broken it.

But should the punishment fit the crime? Should the criminal justice system be consistent in how it punishes each crime?

Yes, it should.

"If your dad is rich he can make it go away" is not a tenet conducive to upholding that principle, and frankly it happens far too predictably.

Well then grab onto something, because it's going to happen a lot more very soon. The incoming President has promised (not that he ever keeps promises) to pardon everyone convicted of their crimes on January 6th, has already put one convicted felon/family member in his administration, had previously nominated an accused sex trafficker as AG, and now has picked a man for FBI head who has all but come out and said he wants to destroy the nation's top law enforcement agency and/or weaponize it against anyone Trump doesn't like.

On top of that, the 50-some remaining felonies the President-elect was on trial for AND the 34 he was convicted of just went up in a puff of stacked Supreme Court smoke. There will be no punishment whatsoever for his crimes, no punishment for anyone in his incoming administration, and a good chance that a whole lot of people will be rounded up and put into prison camps for the "crime" of having brown skin or a Latino-sounding name.

Plus doctors who try to provide reproductive health to women, pharmacists who prescribe certain medications, journalists who criticize Trump, and a whole host of other people who displease the regime.

But keep holding that grudge against Hunter Biden if that makes you feel better.

Ford, your post has so inspired me now with Biden's morality. Oh thank goodness Biden is not above the law.

https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:720/format:webp/1*BrWYPd2AiDSRMNTJx2ubEg.png

According to SCOTUS, the President is beyond the law.

 

[RVonse]

To put the false equivalence into some kind of perspective, an AI kindly informs me that Hunter's offense is something for which these people DID receive jail time. Is Hunter just like them? IMHO, not hardly, not even a little bit.

• Rod Blagojevich
• Scooter Libby
• Bernard Madoff
• Martha Stewart
• Jeffrey Skilling

Maybe close to Martha Stewart, and poses much less of a threat to society.

Its not the severity of Hunters crimes. It is the type of pardon he got from Biden. According to right wing media ,there has never been a more encompassing pardon given other than Fords pardon of Nixon. Hunter not only got pardoned for his crime he is pardoned for the other stuff we may not know about most likely involving Biden himself.

 

[Politesse]

But somehow pardoning his son to save him from Trump’s juvenile vengeance … makes Joe just as corrupt as The Felon?

It obviously makes him a fucking corrupt hypocrite, yes. If his son wanted to be protected from the law, he shouldn't have broken it.

But should the punishment fit the crime? Should the criminal justice system be consistent in how it punishes each crime?

Yes, it should.

"If your dad is rich he can make it go away" is not a tenet conducive to upholding that principle, and frankly it happens far too predictably.

Well then grab onto something, because it's going to happen a lot more very soon. The incoming President has promised (not that he ever keeps promises) to pardon everyone convicted of their crimes on January 6th, has already put one convicted felon/family member in his administration, had previously nominated an accused sex trafficker as AG, and now has picked a man for FBI head who has all but come out and said he wants to destroy the nation's top law enforcement agency and/or weaponize it against anyone Trump doesn't like.

On top of that, the 50-some remaining felonies the President-elect was on trial for AND the 34 he was convicted of just went up in a puff of stacked Supreme Court smoke. There will be no punishment whatsoever for his crimes, no punishment for anyone in his incoming administration, and a good chance that a whole lot of people will be rounded up and put into prison camps for the "crime" of having brown skin or a Latino-sounding name.

Plus doctors who try to provide reproductive health to women, pharmacists who prescribe certain medications, journalists who criticize Trump, and a whole host of other people who displease the regime.

But keep holding that grudge against Hunter Biden if that makes you feel better.

Ford, your post has so inspired me now with Biden's morality. Oh thank goodness Biden is not above the law.

https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:720/format:webp/1*BrWYPd2AiDSRMNTJx2ubEg.png

According to SCOTUS, the President is beyond the law.

Only for crimes he commits for political reasons.

 

[Politesse]

"If your dad is rich he can make it go away" is not a tenet conducive to upholding that principle

If your son was being unfairly persecuted for filling out a form wrong, by a 34x convicted felon (who just made 90- something felonies
"go away" BECAUSE HIS DADDY WAS RICH) and you had no inclination to protect him despite having the power to do so ... I don't know what could ever get you back to the land of reason.

I don't remember you objecting a few months ago, when Biden was promising all the reporters he had no plans to do this. Did you? Did you think he was a dishonourable cur for refusing to engage in nepotism at that time?

 

[RVonse]

That's a very different thing than pardoning people who actually did something wrong.

Not just "actually did something wrong".

The January 6 insurrection was an attack on our country! Trump supporters like to pretend that it's a crime like looting a pawn shop. It's not. It's a crime more like the Pearl Harbor attack, except that it was instigated by President Trump and committed by his American followers.
Tom

The people who would have been protesting went a step further because of "deep state" implants who caused the crime to become more severe. Or so that is the apparent narrative of a lot of people knowing more than I do.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why should the 1/6ers be pardoned?

Because there is a lot of suspicion that the deep state was heavily involved with Jan 6.

Suspicion? A lot of it? That is a load!

Trump got a lot of his supporters to show up that day, had several speakers talking about trial by combat. They incited a riot.

I posted a video earlier and Joe Rogan who explains it much better and detail than I can.

That isn't good.

You and others can dismiss Joe Rogan if you want, but there are a lot of people who agree with this sentiment right now.

This would be wonderful... if Trump supporters hadn't broken into the US Capitol building and recorded themselves in there gleeful... after it was apparent that they would not be able to reach those in Government. They posted it online. This is what helped get so many convictions. They provided their involvement in the crime and their mindset of doing so.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That's a very different thing than pardoning people who actually did something wrong.

Not just "actually did something wrong".

The January 6 insurrection was an attack on our country! Trump supporters like to pretend that it's a crime like looting a pawn shop. It's not. It's a crime more like the Pearl Harbor attack, except that it was instigated by President Trump and committed by his American followers.
Tom

The people who would have been protesting went a step further because of "deep state" implants who caused the crime to become more severe.

So you are saying they couldn't think for themselves and were helpless

One could ask the question, why in the fuck would the "Deep State" do that?!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ford, your post has so inspired me now with Biden's morality. Oh thank goodness Biden is not above the law.

https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:720/format:webp/1*BrWYPd2AiDSRMNTJx2ubEg.png

According to SCOTUS, the President is beyond the law.

Only for crimes he commits for political reasons.

Not political, rather in doing his job. Pardons are part of the job. He could be paid off for pardons, and the President likely isn't even investigable! I'm uncertain about Congressional oversight however. SCOTUS really opened up a Pandora's box there.

 

[RVonse]

That's a very different thing than pardoning people who actually did something wrong.

Not just "actually did something wrong".

The January 6 insurrection was an attack on our country! Trump supporters like to pretend that it's a crime like looting a pawn shop. It's not. It's a crime more like the Pearl Harbor attack, except that it was instigated by President Trump and committed by his American followers.
Tom

The people who would have been protesting went a step further because of "deep state" implants who caused the crime to become more severe.

So you are saying they couldn't think for themselves and were helpless

One could ask the question, why in the fuck would the "Deep State" do that?!

Why did the FBI set up John Delorian when they busted him with drugs? Why does a police woman dress up as a prostitute? Those are examples we can probably both live with but sometimes the FBI goes a step further and actually convinces a person to become a criminal for political reasons. Especially when directed by highly political and corrupt management.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That's a very different thing than pardoning people who actually did something wrong.

Not just "actually did something wrong".

The January 6 insurrection was an attack on our country! Trump supporters like to pretend that it's a crime like looting a pawn shop. It's not. It's a crime more like the Pearl Harbor attack, except that it was instigated by President Trump and committed by his American followers.
Tom

The people who would have been protesting went a step further because of "deep state" implants who caused the crime to become more severe.

So you are saying they couldn't think for themselves and were helpless

One could ask the question, why in the fuck would the "Deep State" do that?!

Why did the FBI set up John Delorian when they busted him with drugs? Why does a police woman dress up as a prostitute? Those are examples we can probably both live with but sometimes the FBI goes a step further and actually convinces a person to become a criminal for political reasons. Especially when directed by highly political and corrupt management.

You are suggesting that the FBI entrapped thousands of idiot Trump supporters who got all caught up in the whirlwind of revolution.

But you won't consider Trump lied his ass off about the election being stolen, which would be apparent by his lack of trying to contest any actual claims in court.

 

[RVonse]

You are suggesting that the FBI entrapped thousands of idiot Trump supporters who got all caught up in the whirlwind of revolution.

But you won't consider Trump lied his ass off about the election being stolen, which would be apparent by his lack of trying to contest any actual claims in court.

You have a valid point about Trump not contesting actual claims in court. But Trump lying about a stolen election is a different thing altogether with the violence that occurred on Jan 6. Violence that Trump specifically warned not for them to engage in during his speach.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You are suggesting that the FBI entrapped thousands of idiot Trump supporters who got all caught up in the whirlwind of revolution.

But you won't consider Trump lied his ass off about the election being stolen, which would be apparent by his lack of trying to contest any actual claims in court.

You have a valid point about Trump not contesting actual claims in court. But Trump lying about a stolen election is a different thing altogether with the violence that occurred on Jan 6.

Seeing that the people that stormed in to the US Capitol were there because Trump was claiming the election was stolen, no... it isn't a different thing. They are locked at the hip. You seem to have a remarkable propensity to throw shade at trying to appear reasonable, but you'll say "you have a valid point", but then toss that reflection right in the wood chipper.

Violence that Trump specifically warned not for them to engage in during his speach.

Trump spoke out of both sides of his mouth at that speech. And he was certainly not the only one that spoke there. And none of the speeches were loose cannons. It was all intended to rile them up. He intended to steal the election in Congress.

But no... the obvious, up front stuff we have absurd mountains of evidence to support needs to be shifted aside because of Joe Rogan and "a lot of suspicion" about the source of the violence that took place on January 6th... which was gleefully shared online by the idiots that committed the crime. They seemed quite pleased with themselves... but we can't let the criminals' self-incrimrination speak for themselves. We need to usher in some baseless conspiracies.

Trump tried to steal the election through a mob (something dictators do... you know actual tyranny), yet you are obsessed with "The Deep State".

 

[RVonse]

You are suggesting that the FBI entrapped thousands of idiot Trump supporters who got all caught up in the whirlwind of revolution.

Yes. And I can think of many examples in my own adolescent life when this happened. When I got into trouble for "following the leader" doing something I would not normally have cared or been motivated to involve myself in. Not crimes mind you, but my parents were not pleased when they found out.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Personally I have mixed feeling over this. For those of you who do feel it is proper to pardon Hunter you should be equally eager to see Trump giving out any pardons for the Jan 6 rioters. Because both are excellent examples of highly politically influenced prosecutions. One can not agree with one without being in favor of the other.

Show me the video of Hunter breaking windows, storming into the Capitol building, and spreading shit on the walls.

I'll wait.

It may seem worse to see a physical building being rioted but the damage from internal corruption can be just as bad if not worse.

Yeah--but you're voting for more corruption.

 

[TomC]

You are suggesting that the FBI entrapped thousands of idiot Trump supporters who got all caught up in the whirlwind of revolution.

Yes. And I can think of many examples in my own adolescent life when this happened. When I got into trouble for "following the leader" doing something I would not normally have cared or been motivated to involve myself in. Not crimes mind you, but my parents were not pleased when they found out.

Did the president hold a rally inciting your behavior? Did anyone suggest assassination of a public official? Do you understand the difference between youngsters who aren't entirely responsible for their behavior and adults who traveled cross country to participate in the insurrection. Did any of your friends just happen to have a noose in their pocket?
Tom

 

[Elixir]

According to right wing media ,there has never been a more encompassing pardon given other than Fords pardon of Nixon.

So you think Hunter is as damaging or threatening to society as NIXON???!!

 

[Patooka]

Violence that Trump specifically warned not for them to engage in during his speach.

That never happened.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You are suggesting that the FBI entrapped thousands of idiot Trump supporters who got all caught up in the whirlwind of revolution.

Yes.

But you struggle with the whole several speeches by Trump and his allies prior to the US Capitol riot having a substantial impact, as well as the entire lead up to the whole thing?

You familiar with Occam's Razor?

 

[Elixir]

I don't remember you objecting a few months ago, when Biden was promising all the reporters he had no plans to do this. Did you? Did you think he was a dishonourable cur for refusing to engage in nepotism at that time?

No, I thought “that’s great, as long as The Felon doesn’t re-acquire the ability to persecute and imprison him.”
As I mentioned above and you ignored, Hunter’s life has been made miserable for years. IMO that’s enough punishment, for a crime that would normally result in a fine.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yeah, some guy from Montana just accidentally showed up in DC on a very specific day dressed in camo and carrying a Trump flag happened to be arrested and is being unfairly prosecuted. Really?

Really?

Hunter probably wasn't perfectly clean either. But the point to make is this. If both situations were normal and without political influence what would have happened? Hunter would have probably not been charged let alone convicted. And the rioters at the capital were have been charged and prosecuted more normally like other rioters in this country get justice.

Hunter certainly wouldn't have been charged because the "evidence" is tainted. Any honest judge is going to yeet it. But we keep seeing MAGA judges that put politics before justice.

And the rioters aren't even being charged. Only those who entered the building--and they're actually getting off very lightly for what happened. They're all guilty of felony murder.