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Bigoted Doctor Fired

She did, in fact, make a threat.

Yes she said she was going to give "ALL" Jews the wrong meds.

And she didn't even know which meds did what or how meds were regulated and dispensed when she said it.

It is so absurd to not see it as meaningless joking is to have ulterior motives.

Every patient has a doctor. And many patients also have specialists on the case.

No resident is going to start giving patients the wrong meds unnoticed.

Who said she would do it as a resident? Not her.

She made a public threat against a group of people that she also has a long history of demonstrating hatred, bigotry, and animus towards. She will not make a good doctor; certainly not one to be trusted.

And I would say that even if the ethnic identities were reversed. Can you say the same?

She was hell bet on damaging Jews. Why would she wait until the residency was over to do her evil since she somehow had some plan to get away with it?

Just like with this woman I would want to talk to the physicians that had been supervising and working with the person before I just threw anybody in the trash.
 
Who said she would do it as a resident? Not her.

She made a public threat against a group of people that she also has a long history of demonstrating hatred, bigotry, and animus towards. She will not make a good doctor; certainly not one to be trusted.

And I would say that even if the ethnic identities were reversed. Can you say the same?

She was hell bet on damaging Jews. Why would she wait until the residency was over to do her evil since she somehow had some plan to get away with it?

Just like with this woman I would want to talk to the physicians that had been supervising and working with the person before I just threw anybody in the trash.

Because she would need to wait until she was no longer a resident "to do her evil".

Or more likely, she has no specific plan but her clear, severe and continued animus makes her an unnecessary risk in the medical field.
 
That's cute.

He thinks he can prove that she could never, ever hurt anyone as a resident, but the evidence that she would never hurt anyone as an attending is that she never did hurt anyone as a resident.

But anyone worried about her racist threat is the one making shit up....
 
That's cute.

He thinks he can prove that she could never, ever hurt anyone as a resident, but the evidence that she would never hurt anyone as an attending is that she never did hurt anyone as a resident.

But anyone worried about her racist threat is the one making shit up....

It is the stupidest crime there can be.

It is like stabbing somebody and putting your name and address on the knife.

Every prescription is easily traceable right back to the physician who wrote it.

Their name is right on it.

It is easy to make stupid jokes when you have nothing to lose.

A lot harder to actually harm people when you have a lot to lose.

And this women is just the tip of the iceberg. She is just the small minority that expresses their hatred.

The actions of Israel these past decades has caused a lot of people to hate Jews.

Many of them are physicians.

You think Lebanese physicians love the people that attacked their country over and over?
 
Yes I have not answered that irrelevancy.

If some young Jewish woman said she was going to somehow give the wrong meds to "ALL" Palestinians I would take that as an absurd statement.
 
Yes I have not answered that irrelevancy.

If some young Jewish woman said she was going to somehow give the wrong meds to "ALL" Palestinians I would take that as an absurd statement.

What if the Jewish woman said all the racist things about Palestinians that this woman had? Would you be doing apologetics such as 'she was just joking' about the last one?
 
I do not believe this girls plan was to get through med school then get through residencies just to commit crimes easily discoverable.
 
That was a statement that has nothing to do with you.

But it is relevant.

Again this is the stupidest crime imaginable.

You are handing the patient evidence of the crime with your name and address on it.
 
I'm not so much concerned about the viability of that crime or her ability to actually commit it or whether she was entirely serious about actually doing it or not, though I do agree that saying it could be seen (on top of her other comments) as justification for dismissal, or at least a suspension, not least because of liability issues on the part of her employer. I'm more concerned that she was obviously very antisemitic. Which is why I asked you what I did and have little interest in whether she was actually going to commit that crime.

Also, of course, her antisemitism may have led her to 'not care fully and properly for a Jewish patient', even if she did not do something as obvious. It's a possible risk at least.

In any case, you did avoid answering my question. It's ok, I pretty much know what you would say anyway. :)

It would amount to saying that her racism is not as bad as and is more understandable than the racism of, say, a Jewish woman in the reverse scenario. Which is true, up to a point, though I think it would be better to condemn both. Which is what I and others were essentially asking you to do, but which you have so far avoided doing, because of your background sympathies for Palestinians. I don't think that in the reverse case, you would be saying stuff like she was only joking or that you would like to speak to her colleagues before taking any action. I think you'd condemn it straight off, because antisemitism does not bother you so much as the reverse. Basically, you're kind of sort of ok with antisemitism.
 
She did, in fact, make a threat.

Yes she said she was going to give "ALL" Jews the wrong meds.

And she didn't even know which meds did what or how meds were regulated and dispensed when she said it.

It is so absurd to not see it as meaningless joking is to have ulterior motives.

Every patient has a doctor. And many patients also have specialists on the case.

No resident is going to start giving patients the wrong meds unnoticed.

Who said she would do it as a resident? Not her.

She made a public threat against a group of people that she also has a long history of demonstrating hatred, bigotry, and animus towards. She will not make a good doctor; certainly not one to be trusted.

And I would say that even if the ethnic identities were reversed. Can you say the same?

Sure he can say it.

But it would be "a meaningless threat."
 
And whatever one thinks of the "doctor's" despicable statement and Unter's inept stubborn defence of it, one should not allow these to make one forget the treatment of Palestinians and their land and property by Israel. Israel is not guilty of stealing land it is IMO guilty of armed robbery, slow, creeping and creepy, armed robbery.

And this robbery is supported by all the propaganda that Israel can count on, from the USA, and from various world-wide Jewish organizations, some of them with members just as violent in their views as the "doctor" under discussion here.
 
I'm not so much concerned about the viability of that crime or her ability to actually commit it or whether she was entirely serious about actually doing it or not, though I do agree that saying it could be seen (on top of her other comments) as justification for dismissal, or at least a suspension, not least because of liability issues on the part of her employer. I'm more concerned that she was obviously very antisemitic. Which is why I asked you what I did and have little interest in whether she was actually going to commit that crime.

Also, of course, her antisemitism may have led her to 'not care fully and properly for a Jewish patient', even if she did not do something as obvious. It's a possible risk at least.

In any case, you did avoid answering my question. It's ok, I pretty much know what you would say anyway. :)

It would amount to saying that her racism is not as bad as and is more understandable than the racism of, say, a Jewish woman in the reverse scenario. Which is true, up to a point, though I think it would be better to condemn both. Which is what I and others were essentially asking you to do, but which you have so far avoided doing, because of your background sympathies for Palestinians. I don't think that in the reverse case, you would be saying stuff like she was only joking or that you would like to speak to her colleagues before taking any action. I think you'd condemn it straight off, because antisemitism does not bother you so much as the reverse. Basically, you're kind of sort of ok with antisemitism.

Not caring for patients deliberately can easily harm you.

I know you don't care that it is impossible to jump over the moon. He threatened to do it so it is a real possibility.
 
Not caring for patients deliberately can easily harm you.

I know you don't care that it is impossible to jump over the moon. He threatened to do it so it is a real possibility.

Condemning the reverse scenario is obviously a bit tricky for you so far.

What do you mean?

The reverse scenario is happening.

People are being deliberately harmed.
 
Let me get this straight. We have a physician who openly mused about deliberately harming clients because of their cultural/ethnic identity a comment that clearly violates the Hippocratic oath. If this comment had been made many years ago, say before the person was college, I would not have fired her based on that comment.

Whether or not that comment is literally possible is irrelevant to the issue. The particulars of the identity are not relevant. The rationale behind the statement is not relevant.
But that comment does give me pause to wonder about her dedication to the Hippocratic oath. I would not go to that doctor. If I were her employer, depending on my assessment of her sincerity in her response and her abilities as a doctor, I might consider keeping her but under very tight supervision and oversight.

But I don't think anyone should be surprised she was fired.
 
What do you mean?

The reverse scenario is happening.

People are being deliberately harmed.

Gosh. It's even trickier for you than I had imagined beforehand. I guessed you'd condemn it, albeit with accompanying qualifications.

Nothing tricky except getting people to stay on topic.

Again, it is not a likely crime.

It entails giving the victim proof of the crime and the identity of who did it.
 
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