Bigoted Doctor Fired

[untermensche]

Yeah sure.

If somebody actually deliberately prescribes the wrong medication, even though every medication prescribed is checked by a pharmacist, they should be banned from prescribing. If they caused harm they should go to jail.

Of course all of this assumes humans are autonomous agents with free will.

Now you are in la-la land. The pharmacist doesn't know the situation! They can check the prescription against what else is prescribed for dangerous combinations. There's not much else they can check.

The pharmacist's job is to know why the drug is prescribed, what the drug does, and that the dosage is appropriate.

 

[untermensche]

Yeah sure.

If somebody actually deliberately prescribes the wrong medication, even though every medication prescribed is checked by a pharmacist, they should be banned from prescribing. If they caused harm they should go to jail.

Of course all of this assumes humans are autonomous agents with free will.

If someone says they will deliberately prescribe the wrong medication, they need to never be in a position to prescribe the wrong medication.

For everyone's good.

Um, when you say "checked by a pharmacist" the Check is that they make double damned sure that what is in the bottle is what the doctor wrote on the prescription.

If the doctor prescribes a harmful med for tbe patient's condition, the pharm may not be in a position to know. They don't make an independent diagnosis.
And if the doc lied and said, your problem is X, so i will prescribe Y, and they ask the pharmacist 'is this drug good for my X?' he will have no way of knowing to say 'it would be, but you really have Z, and Y will aggravate your Z.'

If the doctor is a resident and lying to patients about their condition that will be easily seen by the supervising physician.

If the resident prescribes the wrong drug for the proper diagnosis that will also be known by the supervising physician. And it will be known by the pharmacist.

This was an empty threat that can't even reasonably be carried out.

 

[untermensche]

I am sympathetic to millions of people being oppressed for decades by a powerful nation, yes.

Actually writing wrong prescriptions is bad.

A child trying to deal with their anger and hatred and making empty threats is meaningless.

Once again you are showing that your hatred of Jews overrides reason.

And the earliest tweets are from 2011. She's in residency as of 2018--that's 7 years. In other words, she was in college in 2011. That's not a child.

Or perhaps you mean that Islamists are children?

A person in college is many times a child.

And they make empty threats.

There is no reason at all to assume this was a real threat.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yeah sure.

If somebody actually deliberately prescribes the wrong medication, even though every medication prescribed is checked by a pharmacist, they should be banned from prescribing. If they caused harm they should go to jail.

Of course all of this assumes humans are autonomous agents with free will.

Now you are in la-la land. The pharmacist doesn't know the situation! They can check the prescription against what else is prescribed for dangerous combinations. There's not much else they can check.

The pharmacist's job is to know why the drug is prescribed, what the drug does, and that the dosage is appropriate.

The only script I've ever given the pharmacist that gave any indication of the reason behind it was a pain script for my wife--where the preprinted stuff on top identified it as coming from a surgical center. Even then there was no indication of what was done and therefore how much pain would be expected.

 

[Toni]

Um, when you say "checked by a pharmacist" the Check is that they make double damned sure that what is in the bottle is what the doctor wrote on the prescription.

If the doctor prescribes a harmful med for tbe patient's condition, the pharm may not be in a position to know. They don't make an independent diagnosis.
And if the doc lied and said, your problem is X, so i will prescribe Y, and they ask the pharmacist 'is this drug good for my X?' he will have no way of knowing to say 'it would be, but you really have Z, and Y will aggravate your Z.'

If the doctor is a resident and lying to patients about their condition that will be easily seen by the supervising physician.

If the resident prescribes the wrong drug for the proper diagnosis that will also be known by the supervising physician. And it will be known by the pharmacist.

This was an empty threat that can't even reasonably be carried out.

More sound and fury......reflecting only ignorance and bias.

 

[untermensche]

Yeah right. I'm a pharmacist but I'm ignorant of how the process works and you know more about it.

Delusion.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Um, when you say "checked by a pharmacist" the Check is that they make double damned sure that what is in the bottle is what the doctor wrote on the prescription.

If the doctor prescribes a harmful med for tbe patient's condition, the pharm may not be in a position to know. They don't make an independent diagnosis.
And if the doc lied and said, your problem is X, so i will prescribe Y, and they ask the pharmacist 'is this drug good for my X?' he will have no way of knowing to say 'it would be, but you really have Z, and Y will aggravate your Z.'

If the doctor is a resident and lying to patients about their condition that will be easily seen by the supervising physician.

Moving the goalpost. Checked by the supervisor is not the same as checked by the pharmacist..

If the resident prescribes the wrong drug for the proper diagnosis that will also be known by the supervising physician. And it will be known by the pharmacist.

ojay, first off, no, itt will not be known by the pharmacist. They are not diagnosticians. T,hey get an order for a drug, they may check for miscibility with the other drug the patient is taking THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT, but there are gaps in any such records, and they still don't need to know the underlying condition. They know the drug's purpose and affect on the body, but it is not their job to review the chart to see why it was prescribed.

This was an empty threat that can't even reasonably be carried out.

That's nowhere near as sure as you make it sound, and besides, what about at the end of her residency, when she doesn't have a supervising doc? Do they give her a license then?

 

[untermensche]

The pharmacist knows what diagnosis a drug is used for.

So if the resident prescribes a drug that does not fit the patient's diagnosis the pharmacist will know it.

And if the resident does not make the proper diagnosis their supervising physician will know it.

There is no way to deliberately give a patient the wrong drug during a residency and get away with it.

Empty threats are meaningless.

 

[Toni]

The pharmacist knows what diagnosis a drug is used for.

So if the resident prescribes a drug that does not fit the patient's diagnosis the pharmacist will know it.

And if the resident does not make the proper diagnosis their supervising physician will know it.

There is no way to deliberately give a patient the wrong drug during a residency and get away with it.

Empty threats are meaningless.

Of course there is a way to deliberately give a patient the wrong drug during a residency and get away with it. But then, why would she want to get away with something she bragged about her intention of doing?

And residents are not residents forever. The goal of a successful residency is to become an independent practicing physician.

A pharmacist does not know the patient's diagnosis.

What is empty is your defense of your position.

So much sound and fury....signifying absolutely nothing.

 

[untermensche]

This is not the neighborhood pharmacy. It is the hospital pharmacy.

And the hospital pharmacist most definitely knows the diagnosis. They know everything the physician knows. All the labs. All the input from specialists. What every doctor is saying in the chart.

You can't just give people the wrong medication and get away with it. There is a very visible paper trail of everything you are doing and every decision you make is being looked at by the supervising physician.

It is naive stupidity to think this was more than a very empty threat.

 

[Keith&Co.]

The pharmacist knows what diagnosis a drug is used for.

No. No, he categorically does not.

He DOES know what conditions the drug is TYPICALLY used for, but he is not given the patient's lab results that the doctor used to reach the diagnosis. And he is not TOLD the diagnosis. It is not his job.

So if the resident prescribes a drug that does not fit the patient's diagnosis the pharmacist will know it.

Nope.

And if the resident does not make the proper diagnosis their supervising physician will know it.

More accurate to say 'is supposed to catch it.' Not a sure thing, though. Super is as overworked as everyone else in thesystem.

There is no way to deliberately give a patient the wrong drug during a residency and get away with it.

Empty threats are meaningless.

I would hope so, but not willing to bet my life otpr the life of another on it.

And still, there's the question of turningbthis person into a doctor.
What if she becomes a supervisor? Can we be sure she's gonna fix a resident's mistake if she doesn't like the patient?

 

[RavenSky]

This is not the neighborhood pharmacy. It is the hospital pharmacy.

And the hospital pharmacist most definitely knows the diagnosis. They know everything the physician knows. All the labs. All the input from specialists. What every doctor is saying in the chart.

You can't just give people the wrong medication and get away with it. There is a very visible paper trail of everything you are doing and every decision you make is being looked at by the supervising physician.

It is naive stupidity to think this was more than a very empty threat.

"This" didn't happen yet, so you have no way of rationally claiming that the hypothetical pharmacist will be at a hypothetical hospital pharmacy and/or would be able to catch a wrong prescription.

The bottom line is that this medical resident made a public threat to use her chosen career path in the medical field to harm people on the sole basis of their religion/ethnic background:

hahha ewww.. ill purposely give all the yahood [Jews] the wrong meds…

Even IF this was "a joke" or "not meant to be a real threat", it shows a level of irrationality, hatred and bias that should not be tolerated in the medical field.

https://canarymission.org/individual/Lara_Kollab

 

[Toni]

This is not the neighborhood pharmacy. It is the hospital pharmacy.

And the hospital pharmacist most definitely knows the diagnosis. They know everything the physician knows. All the labs. All the input from specialists. What every doctor is saying in the chart.

You can't just give people the wrong medication and get away with it. There is a very visible paper trail of everything you are doing and every decision you make is being looked at by the supervising physician.

It is naive stupidity to think this was more than a very empty threat.

Really? She’d only ever be a resident at Cleveland Clinic? No patient would ever get a prescription filled anywhere other than the hospital pharmacy? All prescriptions are filled by pharmacists and never by pharm techs? Every patient’s complete medical history is thoroughly reviewed by the pharmacist, every single time? I guess there are never any mistakes made by pharmacists, residents, or physicians?

The only thing empty is your ‘reasoning.’ And your claims.

 

[untermensche]

This is not the neighborhood pharmacy. It is the hospital pharmacy.

And the hospital pharmacist most definitely knows the diagnosis. They know everything the physician knows. All the labs. All the input from specialists. What every doctor is saying in the chart.

You can't just give people the wrong medication and get away with it. There is a very visible paper trail of everything you are doing and every decision you make is being looked at by the supervising physician.

It is naive stupidity to think this was more than a very empty threat.

Really? She’d only ever be a resident at Cleveland Clinic? No patient would ever get a prescription filled anywhere other than the hospital pharmacy? All prescriptions are filled by pharmacists and never by pharm techs? Every patient’s complete medical history is thoroughly reviewed by the pharmacist, every single time? I guess there are never any mistakes made by pharmacists, residents, or physicians?

The only thing empty is your ‘reasoning.’ And your claims.

Wherever she is a resident she is not a free agent. She is not in private practice. She is working directly under the supervision of another physician.

And there is a record of everything she does. Every prescription she writes can be directly traced back to her.

How exactly does this writing of wrong prescriptions work?

How exactly do you do it and get away with it?

Please explain. Give me the drug and how you get away with it.

It is one thing to make an empty threat when you don't even know how medicine works or anything about drugs.

It is not so easy to deliberately hurt people in the real world as a supervised resident with a paper trail of everything you do.

This woman does not represent a real threat to anyone.

 

[Keith&Co.]

This is not the neighborhood pharmacy. It is the hospital pharmacy.

Um, i have worked at both. I was talking about both.
Your fantasy is more than a little at odds with reality.

And the hospital pharmacist most definitely knows the diagnosis. They know everything the physician knows. All the labs. All the input from specialists. What every doctor is saying in the chart.

Nope. A lot if that is privileged information. Most of it is not something the pharmacist needs in order to fill a prescription.
It is definitely not his job to second guess the doctor.

You can't just give people the wrong medication and get away with it.

That just is not true. There are many steps to find error, but some of them don't come into play until after the patient is dead.
Others only come into play if there is a suspicion about mistakes or deliberate mis-prescribing. And in some cases, she might give the right medication, but the wrong dosage and the best that a review could show is that she may have misjudged slightly.

There is a very visible paper trail of everything you are doing and every decision you make is being looked at by the supervising physician.

I mentioned nuclear weapons before. Every documentary i have ever seen, and most tours ever given, mention the various safeguards in the weapon system to prevent the inadvertent, or deliberate unauthorized release of nuclear weapons.

I always smile at that part, because I knew how to circumvent more than a few of them. I would never have done it, but system knowledge leads me to believe many safety measures can only work if everyone is at least trying to comply.
There can be no absolute protections against evil intent.

It is naive stupidity to think this was more than a very empty threat.

What she intended is meaningless. She made a threat.
The admins HAVE to treat it as at least possible. It would be irresponsible of them to shrug it off until someone dies.

 

[untermensche]

The bottom line is that this medical resident made a public threat to use her chosen career path in the medical field to harm people on the sole basis of their religion/ethnic background:

She did not make any threats as a resident. There is no evidence she actually harmed anyone or even thought about harming anyone as a resident.

hahha ewww.. ill purposely give all the yahood [Jews] the wrong meds…

Even IF this was "a joke" or "not meant to be a real threat", it shows a level of irrationality, hatred and bias that should not be tolerated in the medical field.

It sounds like a child.

"ALL" the yahood?

Every single one she encounters in practice?

You see that as a real threat?

Every single Jew she treats she will prescribe the wrong meds?

And you somehow think it is possible?

 

[untermensche]

Um, i have worked at both. I was talking about both.
Your fantasy is more than a little at odds with reality.

And the hospital pharmacist most definitely knows the diagnosis. They know everything the physician knows. All the labs. All the input from specialists. What every doctor is saying in the chart.

Nope. A lot if that is privileged information. Most of it is not something the pharmacist needs in order to fill a prescription.
It is definitely not his job to second guess the doctor.

I have actually worked as a hospital pharmacist and I know beyond doubt you are wrong.

Nothing in the medial record is privileged from the pharmacist.

There is not one medical record for the physician and another medical record for the pharmacist.

There is only ONE medical record.

The pharmacist's job in the hospital is to know why every drug has been prescribed and assess if there is any reason it should not be given. The pharmacist is a check on the physician.

You can't just give people the wrong medication and get away with it.

That just is not true. There are many steps to find error, but some of them don't come into play until after the patient is dead.

You don't have a clue.

You don't know what pharmacists in the hospital do.

They look at every prescription and make sure it fits into the clinical picture. They actively look for errors because doctors make errors all the time.

And if a patient a resident is seeing dies the entire course of treatment is looked at closely. Every single drug prescribed is looked at closely.

There can be no absolute protections against evil intent.

Evil intent for what reason? Because Palestinians are sub-human and can't control their justified hatreds?

To lose your license and go to jail?

It is easy to joke when there is nothing to lose but very hard to act with evil intent when there is something like a medical license to lose.

 

[RavenSky]

She did not make any threats as a resident. There is no evidence she actually harmed anyone or even thought about harming anyone as a resident.

She did, in fact, make a threat.

[Nikolas] Cruz had told the student’s brother “he wanted to shoot up the school,” a witness statement released by the State Attorney’s Office on Friday says.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/...fl-ne-nikolas-cruz-threat-20181109-story.html

But there was no reason to think he was seriously plotting to murder students and teachers at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida right?

Oh, he was "a child" too... same age as the woman you are defending when she threatened to harm/kill Jews because of her hatred/bigotry

 

[untermensche]

She did, in fact, make a threat.

Yes she said she was going to give "ALL" Jews the wrong meds.

And she didn't even know which meds did what or how meds were regulated and dispensed when she said it.

It is so absurd to not see it as meaningless joking is to have ulterior motives.

Every patient has a doctor. And many patients also have specialists on the case.

No resident is going to start giving patients the wrong meds unnoticed.

 

[RavenSky]

She did, in fact, make a threat.

Yes she said she was going to give "ALL" Jews the wrong meds.

And she didn't even know which meds did what or how meds were regulated and dispensed when she said it.

It is so absurd to not see it as meaningless joking is to have ulterior motives.

Every patient has a doctor. And many patients also have specialists on the case.

No resident is going to start giving patients the wrong meds unnoticed.

Who said she would do it as a resident? Not her.

She made a public threat against a group of people that she also has a long history of demonstrating hatred, bigotry, and animus towards. She will not make a good doctor; certainly not one to be trusted.

And I would say that even if the ethnic identities were reversed. Can you say the same?