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Auto theft by stata law is now treated as a misdemeanor not a felony. Auto tefts rise. Drugs have been decriminalized while drug problems increase.
Car theft a misdemeanor? That's insane.
Auto theft by stata law is now treated as a misdemeanor not a felony. Auto tefts rise. Drugs have been decriminalized while drug problems increase.
No, the system is working to release people who should not be released. Releasing people for no bail for felony theft is crazy. And California laws also allow people commit crimes over and over again and get released each time. Like in NY (grazie Cuomo!)Oh, no! Not the system working as intended to protect innocent people from being punished for a crime on the mere suspicion of the police! What is the world coming to!
From here.LAPD detective Jamie McBride via Fox News said:I blame the [American Civil Liberties Union]. I think they sold everybody a bag of goods with this zero bail policy as we see. Our chief came out yesterday and said that 14 of these people that were arrested did not stay in jail. They got released and some of them were arrested and out on release from a prior smash and grab robbery
Presumption of innocence, until convicted by a court of law, is a fundamental element of the legal system in a free country. That's practically the defining freedom; Without it, a police officer can wield absolute power over anybody for any reason or none.
Some suspects should be held without bail. Especially when dangerous and/or they continue to commit crimes while out on bail.Calling for suspects not to be released, even on bail, is a call for totalitarianism, and a direct attack on freedom.
Yes, some should, and they are.No, the system is working to release people who should not be released. Releasing people for no bail for felony theft is crazy. And California laws also allow people commit crimes over and over again and get released each time. Like in NY (grazie Cuomo!)Oh, no! Not the system working as intended to protect innocent people from being punished for a crime on the mere suspicion of the police! What is the world coming to!
From here.LAPD detective Jamie McBride via Fox News said:I blame the [American Civil Liberties Union]. I think they sold everybody a bag of goods with this zero bail policy as we see. Our chief came out yesterday and said that 14 of these people that were arrested did not stay in jail. They got released and some of them were arrested and out on release from a prior smash and grab robbery
Presumption of innocence, until convicted by a court of law, is a fundamental element of the legal system in a free country. That's practically the defining freedom; Without it, a police officer can wield absolute power over anybody for any reason or none.
Presumption of innocence is a good thing, but this is taking it too far. Letting people out for felony crimes without even requiring bail is not a good policy. Neither is catch and release upon rearrest for a new crime. Cities like NYC, LA and SF have become playgrounds for criminals.
Some suspects should be held without bail. Especially when dangerous and/or they continue to commit crimes while out on bail.Calling for suspects not to be released, even on bail, is a call for totalitarianism, and a direct attack on freedom.
In effect, criminal negligence.Jennifer and James Crumbley, the parents of the 15-year-old accused of murdering four students at a high school in Michigan, have been charged with four counts each of involuntary manslaughter — an exceptionally rare move the prosecutor said was warranted by laying out a timeline of "egregious" mistakes and missed opportunities to prevent the shooting.
The parents of Ethan Crumbley purchased the handgun used in Tuesday's shooting at Oxford High School, apparently as a Christmas gift for their son on Black Friday, and stored it improperly, said Oakland County prosecutor Karen McDonald at a news conference midday Friday.
Then, when called to a meeting Tuesday morning by school officials to discuss a disturbing, violent drawing made by their son, the parents did not inquire about the whereabouts of the gun or inform the school that they had recently purchased a gun for him, said McDonald.
After the meeting, the younger Crumbley was allowed to return to class. Shortly afterward, authorities say, he fatally shot four fellow students and wounded six others and a teacher.
If convicted, Jennifer and James Crumbley face up to 15 years in prison for each count. Ethan Crumbley has been charged with 24 felonies, including four counts of murder and one count of terrorism. The younger Crumbley was arrested after the shooting Tuesday. At the time of Friday's news conference, his parents were not yet in custody.
They evidently are not in fauxgressive states like NY and CA, and within CA especially cities like LA and SF.Yes, some should, and they are.
LA Times said:Eric Medina has been arrested four times on suspicion of grand theft auto in the last three weeks.
It began with the theft of a Ford van April 9, authorities said. Within a day, he was back on the streets, helped by California’s statewide zero-bail policy for lesser offenders fueled by the coronavirus outbreak.
Five days later, officers apprehended him with a stolen Toyota truck, officials allege. Again he went to jail, only to be freed without bail. Police say he stole another Toyota truck on April 20. And then last weekend, Medina was arrested yet again in a stolen 2009 Ford Focus.
These were not mere shoplifters. These were a) robberies, as they used force and b) organized.Shoplifters?
Freedom of robbers is pretty unimportant to me, correct.Fuck that. Freedom might be unimportant to you, but I think it's a pretty good thing.
Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all.They evidently are not in fauxgressive states like NY and CA, and within CA especially cities like LA and SF.Yes, some should, and they are.
Another article about the "catch and release" policies in LA:
Arrested 4 times in 3 weeks: L.A. police blame zero bail for rise in repeat offenders
LA Times said:Eric Medina has been arrested four times on suspicion of grand theft auto in the last three weeks.
It began with the theft of a Ford van April 9, authorities said. Within a day, he was back on the streets, helped by California’s statewide zero-bail policy for lesser offenders fueled by the coronavirus outbreak.
Five days later, officers apprehended him with a stolen Toyota truck, officials allege. Again he went to jail, only to be freed without bail. Police say he stole another Toyota truck on April 20. And then last weekend, Medina was arrested yet again in a stolen 2009 Ford Focus.
People keep committing crimes and they keep getting released, often with no bail at all.
These were not mere shoplifters. These were a) robberies, as they used force and b) organized.Shoplifters?
Freedom of robbers is pretty unimportant to me, correct.Fuck that. Freedom might be unimportant to you, but I think it's a pretty good thing.
So do you believe that if Mr Medina had had to post bail, he would have given up his life of crime?They evidently are not in fauxgressive states like NY and CA, and within CA especially cities like LA and SF.Yes, some should, and they are.
Another article about the "catch and release" policies in LA:
Arrested 4 times in 3 weeks: L.A. police blame zero bail for rise in repeat offenders
LA Times said:Eric Medina has been arrested four times on suspicion of grand theft auto in the last three weeks.
It began with the theft of a Ford van April 9, authorities said. Within a day, he was back on the streets, helped by California’s statewide zero-bail policy for lesser offenders fueled by the coronavirus outbreak.
Five days later, officers apprehended him with a stolen Toyota truck, officials allege. Again he went to jail, only to be freed without bail. Police say he stole another Toyota truck on April 20. And then last weekend, Medina was arrested yet again in a stolen 2009 Ford Focus.
I think the point is not to release someone over and over particularly if accused of the exact same crime.So do you believe that if Mr Medina had had to post bail, he would have given up his life of crime?They evidently are not in fauxgressive states like NY and CA, and within CA especially cities like LA and SF.Yes, some should, and they are.
Another article about the "catch and release" policies in LA:
Arrested 4 times in 3 weeks: L.A. police blame zero bail for rise in repeat offenders
LA Times said:Eric Medina has been arrested four times on suspicion of grand theft auto in the last three weeks.
It began with the theft of a Ford van April 9, authorities said. Within a day, he was back on the streets, helped by California’s statewide zero-bail policy for lesser offenders fueled by the coronavirus outbreak.
Five days later, officers apprehended him with a stolen Toyota truck, officials allege. Again he went to jail, only to be freed without bail. Police say he stole another Toyota truck on April 20. And then last weekend, Medina was arrested yet again in a stolen 2009 Ford Focus.
Or how do you explain the claim that the policy increases the total number of repeat offenders?
I think the point is not to release someone over and over particularly if accused of the exact same crime.I think the point is not to release someone over and over particularly if accused of the exact same crime.So do you believe that if Mr Medina had had to post bail, he would have given up his life of crime?They evidently are not in fauxgressive states like NY and CA, and within CA especially cities like LA and SF.Yes, some should, and they are.
Another article about the "catch and release" policies in LA:
Arrested 4 times in 3 weeks: L.A. police blame zero bail for rise in repeat offenders
LA Times said:Eric Medina has been arrested four times on suspicion of grand theft auto in the last three weeks.
It began with the theft of a Ford van April 9, authorities said. Within a day, he was back on the streets, helped by California’s statewide zero-bail policy for lesser offenders fueled by the coronavirus outbreak.
Five days later, officers apprehended him with a stolen Toyota truck, officials allege. Again he went to jail, only to be freed without bail. Police say he stole another Toyota truck on April 20. And then last weekend, Medina was arrested yet again in a stolen 2009 Ford Focus.
Or how do you explain the claim that the policy increases the total number of repeat offenders?
Bottom line is the optics are terrible. If politicians want to keep their jobs, they’ll make the necessary changes. People read these stories or worse, read the first couple paragraphs of these stories or worse still, just hear the headlines and and they get scared. Scared for themselves. Scared for their families. See, even liberals want to feel safe in their own communities. Well, maybe the well-heeled ones in gated communities can hold out a little longer. But when we have to go to Santa Monica Place, we have to go to Santa Monica Place, don’t we?
It certainly would have been more of a deterrent if he had to post bail vs. just being released. No bail sends a message tat that the system does not treat grand theft as a serious crime.So do you believe that if Mr Medina had had to post bail, he would have given up his life of crime?
They do not perceive their actions to have any consequences, so they do it again. No consequences again? So they do it the third time.Or how do you explain the claim that the policy increases the total number of repeat offenders?
Nope.It certainly would have been more of a deterrent if he had to post bail vs. just being released. No bail sends a message tat that the system does not treat grand theft as a serious crime.So do you believe that if Mr Medina had had to post bail, he would have given up his life of crime?
Also, if you commit another crime while out on bail, being remanded to custody should be a real option or else the bail should be much steeper than the first time around: frequent flyer bonus.
Third time's the charm? Remand should be the default, and his lawyer should come up with some damn good reasons why he should be granted bail.
Instead we get repeat offenders being released on bail over and over again.
The system hasn't become a laughing stock; Rather, as usual, authoritarian madmen in the media have invited you to become outraged at changes they completely fabricated, and you have swallowed their bait unquestioningly, and are now calling for a move towards an authoritarian police state.No wonder they do not treat the system seriously, when it has become a laughingstock!
Criminals don't care about consequences, because they expect to get away with their crimes.They do not perceive their actions to have any consequences, so they do it again. No consequences again? So they do it the third time.Or how do you explain the claim that the policy increases the total number of repeat offenders?
Not exactly rocket surgery, but evidently well beyond the cognitive abilities of California politicians and judges.
Given that this is California, they will likely be out within a year or two.How this will end:
Often, the prosecutors are refusing to prosecute. Look at 2020 #BLM and Antifa rioters. Most were never prosecuted, and of those who were, most were prosecuted federally. The fauxgressive DAs in lefty cities like Portland, Minneapolis, NYC or Seattle - cities that saw most of the destruction - preferred to look the other way most of the time.The police aren't guilty of not solving crimes, and the legal system isn't guilty of not prosecuting them. What they are damned for is not keeping pace with the 24 hour news cycle and its tireless culture of outraged hot takes. "Optics", not effectiveness.
NY Daily News said:Ex-con Vincent Pinkney, on parole for a Queens gang assault conviction and owner of a long rap sheet, cried out in delight after the second Thursday night stabbing of man walking along Columbus Ave. near W. 110th St., a witness told the Daily News. Police sources indicated the blood-thirsty attacker, arrested in Central Park after he was identified by the dog-walking couple, belonged to the Queens-based EBK gang, an acronym for “Everybody Killas.”
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Pinkney, 25, of Manhattan, was previously arrested 16 times, including multiple charges of robbery and assault, according to law enforcement sources. He was out on parole for the Queens gang assault conviction that landed him behind bars for four years.
The victim in the 2013 beatdown was attacked by Pinkney and four other men, and he needed 25 stitches to close a cut on the face and another 20 staples for a gash to his head.
Nope.
By definition, a person who is suspected of a crime while on bail is not a repeat offender, because they have yet to be convicted of the offense for which they were bailed.
True, but pretrial detention does not violate that principle.Suspects are innocent until proven guilty.
Do you guys not have pretrial detention down under? Here it is not a novel concept and it is not necessarily violating principles of a free society. A society cannot be free when people like Medina can steal cars, get arrested, and get released right away only to steal cars again and again. There must be a balance.That's a fundamental principle in a free country; You cannot claim to support freedom if you take the position that the law should treat someone more harshly due to a crime for which they have not been convicted.
The changes in bail laws and practices in places like CA, WA or NY pushed by so-called progressives are not "fabricated". They are real And they have real consequences.The system hasn't become a laughing stock; Rather, as usual, authoritarian madmen in the media have invited you to become outraged at changes they completely fabricated, and you have swallowed their bait unquestioningly, and are now calling for a move towards an authoritarian police state.
My sentiments exactly!Fuck that.
And being released with no bail after you've stolen your fourth car is merely reinforcing that expectation.Criminals don't care about consequences, because they expect to get away with their crimes.
If you really believe that lack of real consequences is not an encouragement to steal stuff etc., then I have some oceanfront property in Reno to sell you.The entire history of criminology shows that harsh punishments do nothing to reduce the incidence or severity of crime;
So your brilliant solution is slaps on the wrist (at the very most!) for stealing cars or robbing stores?The uninformed opinions of right-wing media buffoons do not constitute a rebuttal of this fact.
More than a thousand people reported lasting health effects after being exposed to teargas during protests in Portland, Oregon, last summer, according to a newly published scientific study.
Nearly 900 people reported abnormal menstrual cycles, including intense cramping and increased bleeding, that began or persisted days after their initial exposure to the teargas. Hundreds of others complained of other negative health impacts, including severe headaches, nausea, diarrhea, and mental health concerns.
The new research, based on an online survey of more than 2,200 people, challenges claims that the health consequences of being teargassed are minor and temporary, said Dr Britta Torgrimson-Ojerio, a researcher at Kaiser Permanente Northwest and the lead author of the study.
Teargas used on Portland protesters risks ‘grave health hazards’, says lawsuit
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It is also the first published, peer-reviewed study to confirm a link between teargas and abnormal menstruation, a connection that was widely discussed by American protesters on social media and in news reports last year.
Participants in racial justice protests against police violence last summer in Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, Rochester and other cities told media outlets that their exposure to teargas had been followed by unexpected bleeding, unusually painful cramps, and other disruptions of their typical menstrual cycles.
Like they chopped off the heads of Robespierre and other social revolutionary leaders who promoted universal suffrage and abolition of slavery and privilege. And like they chopped off the head of socialist agitator Gracchus Babeuf, who championed for the poor and against private property and the rich and powerful. And also today's populist lower-class Revolution will resume this parade of crushing the Leftist social reformers and liberals and democratic leaders.if you have money, property, wealth, possessions, whatever... you don't have it because you earned it. you only have it because everyone else decided to let you have it.
there is a cabal of political and economic fascists in america who evidently are completely unaware of the existence of the french revolution.
if you shit on the lower class long enough, eventually the lower class will have a "let's chop everyone's heads off" parade.
Hundreds report abnormal menstruation after being teargassed during Portland protests
More than 1,000 report cramping, increased bleeding and other health issues, challenging claims teargas has minor impactwww.theguardian.com
More than a thousand people reported lasting health effects after being exposed to teargas during protests in Portland, Oregon, last summer, according to a newly published scientific study.
Nearly 900 people reported abnormal menstrual cycles, including intense cramping and increased bleeding, that began or persisted days after their initial exposure to the teargas. Hundreds of others complained of other negative health impacts, including severe headaches, nausea, diarrhea, and mental health concerns.
Philadelphia has shattered its 30-year-old record for annual murders, surpassing the much larger cities of New York and Los Angeles as a dozen major cities post all-time records for homicides -- all of them with Democratic mayors. As of December 6, Philadelphia had recorded 521 homicides for the year, surpassing New York's 443 and Los Angeles at 352. This is despite the fact that with a population of 1.5 million, the City of Brotherly Love is less than half the size of Los Angeles and one-fifth of New York.