Jimmy Higgins
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How was America incentivizing crime in the early 80s?
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There is strong evidence that exposure to tetraethyl lead, Pb(C2H5)4, caused a crime wave half a century ago. TEL was used as a gasoline additive to suppress "knocking", premature ignition. But it caused a lot of brain damage in a lot of people, and as a result, a lot of criminality.
Legalized abortion and crime effect - "Proponents argue that the availability of abortion resulted in fewer births of children at the highest risk of committing crime. " - but it overlaps with the lead-crime effect, because abortion was made less restricted in many places around when TEL was outlawed.
- Lead–crime hypothesis
- Lead: America’s Real Criminal Element – Mother Jones
- Lead and Crime: It Happened in Australia Too – Mother Jones
- New evidence that lead exposure increases crime
- Research Roundup: Lead Exposure Causes Crime - Niskanen Center
Legalized abortion and crime effect - "Proponents argue that the availability of abortion resulted in fewer births of children at the highest risk of committing crime. " - but it overlaps with the lead-crime effect, because abortion was made less restricted in many places around when TEL was outlawed.steve_bank
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That is part of it.
The Dirty Harry movies were a response to people's concerns about crime in the day.
But there is also cultural change.
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And the easy availability of handguns. Where do four teens all get guns?
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Their parents. Or one of their parents who has an arsenal.
The vast majority of guns used for crime are manufactured, shipped, and originally sold legally in a gun store to someone who is going to sell it or otherwise slip it out to criminal use
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Why do you imagine that the plural of "anecdote" is "data"?
TWOC-ing was one of the go-to entertainments for bored teenagers in my home town in the UK in the 1980s and '90s. It's not new, and as far as I can determine, it's not growing in frequency.
What has changed is the widespread adoption of immobiliser technology by car makers, so that stealing a car now requires you to steal the keys - which makes an interaction with the owner more likely, and therefore increases the probability of violence or the threat of violence.
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You make it sound like the increase in violence or the threat, is the fault of the car makers.
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It is.
Defending against crime often has unintended consequences.
Criminals adapt to the measures taken to stop them, and will typically choose to avoid confrontation or violence where possible.
When you make it harder to commit crime without confrontation or violence, confrontation and violence will increase.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, but it does mean you have no right to be surprised by increasing violence when you do, nor to assume that it's a sign of some kind of widespread moral collapse or breakdown of society.
Criminals target the weakest part of any system. If you harden the mechanical elements, you make it more likely that the human elements will be seen as the softest target.
People used to break into bank vaults by smashing cutting or digging their way in. Banks responded by making the vaults stronger, so criminals learned to unlock them. The locks were improved, and the robbers moved on to using explosives. The vaults were made blast-proof, and criminals started robbing banks at gunpoint. Vaults were equipped with time locks, so criminals started taking bank workers families hostage.
It's an arms race; And the human element is the hardest to protect, so ultimately it becomes the main target for criminals.
I don't know what the answer is, but I am damn sure it's not to pretend that the problem isn't real.
Criminals are lazy. Psychopathic criminals are very rare; Mostly they are only violent when it's the easiest remaining option that achieves their objective.
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Portland, Oregon makes TIME’s World’s Greatest Places of 2022 list
Portland, Oregon has made TIME’s World’s Greatest Places of 2022 list.
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Wow, the rest of the country must be a real shithole.
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Increasing incarceration rates were not the disincentive conservatives and right-wingers claim them to be.
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There is strong evidence that exposure to tetraethyl lead, Pb(C2H5)4, caused a crime wave half a century ago. TEL was used as a gasoline additive to suppress "knocking", premature ignition. But it caused a lot of brain damage in a lot of people, and as a result, a lot of criminality.
There is also
- Lead: America’s Real Criminal Element – Mother Jones
- Lead and Crime: It Happened in Australia Too – Mother Jones
- New evidence that lead exposure increases crime
- Research Roundup: Lead Exposure Causes Crime - Niskanen Center
A Thousand Cuts: Cumulative Lead Exposure Reduces Academic Achievement
We study how ambient lead exposure impacts learning in elementary school by leveraging a natural experiment where a large national automotive racing organization switched from leaded to unleaded fuel. We find increased levels and duration of exposure to lead negatively affect academic...
jhr.uwpress.org
It is additional separately reflected support of the tetraethyl lead theory of criminal ideation and brain damage.
A study on crime in that same cohort would also be interesting.
As James Q. Wilson noted, imprisoning dangerous criminals might not rehabilitate them or even deter them, but done rigorously it incapacitated them. And that graph shows that as policy shifted from the 60s liberal approach to the lock’em up 90s, incapacitation caught up with violent crime rates. But, yes, I’d agree that there is no disincentive for a psychopath to stop committing violent crime. So for the public’s sake, put them away.Increasing incarceration rates were not the disincentive conservatives and right-wingers claim them to be.
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No, this does not in any way account for the changes in crime rate.
Research on the subject shows a nearly perfect correlation to either lead levels or abortion rates, and additional corroboration implicates lead over abortion. At least for gainful prospects of employment.
Even so, these may have been cofactors.
The "tough on crime" approach didn't actually help anything, and led to a lot of people getting further damaged by our broken "corrections" program, which is both costly and inhumane.
The abortion argument is unpersuasive as violent crime was highest in the early 90s among young men; a cohort born after Roe. Not so sure about lead, as though it may make you dumb, does it make you violent? But one thing for sure is that violent criminals, if allowed to go free, won’t stop being violent.
Callous Albany could’ve prevented an NYC subway murder — but didn’t
Catch-and-release of an attempted subway murderer to finish the deed is the bail system that Gov. Hochul thinks is working just fine.
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If the state won't protect the people, the people will do it themselves.
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‘True allyship’: Black man hailed hero after saving elderly Asian man from carjacking perp
An unidentified man is being hailed as a hero after preventing a carjacking that purportedly targeted an elderly Asian man in Los Angeles’ Miracle Mile area. Advocacy group Black and Asian Souls Unite took to Instagram to post a video of the incident, which NextShark has verified with the...
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The graph shows the following:...that graph shows that as policy shifted from the 60s liberal approach to the lock’em up 90s, incapacitation caught up with violent crime rates.Increasing incarceration rates were not the disincentive conservatives and right-wingers claim them to be.
- The period from 1960 to 1972 saw next to no change in the incarceration rate, but the violent crime rate increased noticeably.
- The "lock’em up" approach to incarceration did not start in the '90s. It began in 1973. By 1992 it had more than doubled. In the same time period the violent crime rate increased by 42%.
- Between 2009 and 2014 the incarceration rate dropped - along with the violent crime rate.
What percentage of violent crimes is committed by psychopaths?
Is this a joke? The highest rate of recidivism is for violent offenders.
Recidivism Among Federal Violent Offenders
(January 2019) This report is the fifth in a series of reports and provides a recidivism analysis of federal offenders who engaged in violent criminal activity.
THE CRIMINAL PSYCHOPATH: HISTORY, NEUROSCIENCE, TREATMENT, AND ECONOMICS - PMC
The manuscript surveys the history of psychopathic personality, from its origins in psychiatric folklore to its modern assessment in the forensic arena. Individuals with psychopathic personality, or psychopaths, have a disproportionate impact on the ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Please. For the sake of public safety, stop coddling these monsters.
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Please show the rate of recidivism for violent offenders answers the question about the percentage of violent crimes committed by psychopaths.
He won't answer the question. So I quote from Oleg's citation,
The same study also states
Which appears to contradict Oleg's position.
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Oleg cannot answer my question because it is unverifiable what percentage of crimes are committed by any demographic. We would need to know all the crimes (including those that are unreported) as well as who committed them along with their demographic information and psychological profile. That data is unavailable.