Breakdown In Civil Order

[Jimmy Higgins]

Around here drug use has become instutionalized by policy and then peole wonder why drug treatment infrastructure is overwhelmed.

Policy increases drug problems and then the same people say increasing treatment capacity is the solution to increased drug problems.

It is the same with the homeless problem. Progressives want to spend several billion dollars on housng. It is institutionalizing homelessness. Make it easy to be homelsss and people will choose to be homeless.

Progressives love creating dependency; it gives them a smug self-appointed role to manage society.

It is incredible how the alt-right likes to twist humane emotion into a perversion.

It’s humane to keep people addicted to drugs? If it were your son or daughter hooked on fentanyl or worse, you’d abet the addiction?

*knocks on device* The alt-right Madlib'er is stuck again.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

But what do I know, every single liberal is the same exact person with the same exact ideas right?

That’s why I used “progressive.” Liberals of a generation ago were not this looney. But they’ve been shoved aside by the crazies.

A generation ago, people were saying liberals would be responsible for people fucking goats by decriminalizing gay sex and then legalizing gay marriage. Or that liberals insisting not calling people "retards" was bothersome and "PC". Nearly a generation ago, liberals were demonized as being Saddam Hussein stooges for being against invading Iraq.

So enough of this 'I used to think Liberals made sense' charade.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There are consequences to bad policies.

Yes, because schools were always the places where angels came to learn. This whole bullying, hazing, bad behavior in class just started in the since the turn of millennium... just like minors having sex with each other.

What LSD riddled utopian trip did you go through as a child?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Meanwhile in 1930s America...

 

[marc]

 

[Shadowy Man]

Authorities are releasing more information about fallen Selma police officer Gonzalo Carrasco Jr. and the man accused of killing him earlier this week. As Carrasco got out of his car and approached Dixon, officials say the shooting began. "Dixon immediately pulled out a gun and fired several shots, striking officer Carrasco. Dixon took off running while he was still armed with his gun, which was later determined to be a ghost gun. A .223 caliber style assault rifle." Investigators say the ambush-style attack on Carrasco didn't give him a moment to defend himself.

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This "ghost gun" can't be right. I'm sure Newsom banned "ghost" guns in California. I guess Mr. Dixon didn't know they were banned.

And while this carnage goes on in California, Newsom leads some 20 state governors in ensuring WOMEN can get abortions in their states.

Newsom is dumber than most.

Which makes you wonder why some States are banning abortion when they know that women can just go to California and get them.

 

[ZiprHead]

Around here drug use has become instutionalized by policy and then peole wonder why drug treatment infrastructure is overwhelmed.

Policy increases drug problems and then the same people say increasing treatment capacity is the solution to increased drug problems.

It is the same with the homeless problem. Progressives want to spend several billion dollars on housng. It is institutionalizing homelessness. Make it easy to be homelsss and people will choose to be homeless.

Progressives love creating dependency; it gives them a smug self-appointed role to manage society.

It is incredible how the alt-right likes to twist humane emotion into a perversion.

It’s humane to keep people addicted to drugs? If it were your son or daughter hooked on fentanyl or worse, you’d abet the addiction?

No one can abet someone else's addiction. The addict has to do it themselves.

The idea behind decriminalization is instead of incarceration, rehab is offered and encouraged.

 

[Gospel]

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You'd think there are lessons to learn from the past about Labels. Using labels like hippies as a derogatory term didn't stop them, in fact the hippies doubled down. Today it's the woke. I wish you all the best.

 

[TomC]

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I remember a very similar pic.
Only the big signs said, "Race mixing is Communist!"

Yeah, good times...
Tom

 

[Gospel]

Dear American Media (yeah all yawl)

Folks waving pitch forks & sympathy over the issues in the black community need to suck it up. If a bunch of lazy good for nothing white people picked their own damn cotton we wouldn't be here. I suggest you help good black people out by giving them your support. Not finacial support; they've got that. I know you won't stop blasting YBM doing crimes everyday because it pays but Instead of broadcasting the worst people in our community most of the time, seek out the good people and give them the majority of the airtime. Just maybe, you can help influence the black culture left behind by lazy ancestors in a positive way. Don't get it twisted, criticism is welcome it's simply far more effective coming from people who genuinely care. Right now, non of yawl showing that you do.

Sincerely yours,

A once YBM turned OBM.

 

[laughing dog]

There are consequences to bad policies.

No shit. There are consequences to good policies as well, because no policy is a perfect cure for what ails society. Reasonably intelligent people understand that basic fact and try to weight the net benefits (benefits - costs) of a policy.

Is your point that these "consequences" of this bad policy outweigh its benefits in your estimation or are you just venting kneejerk reactions?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There are consequences to bad policies.

Our politicians in California don't care;

Court documents show the extensive criminal history of 23-year-old Nathaniel Dixon of Selma, the man accused of shooting and killing 24-year-old Selma Police Officer, Gonzalo Carrasco Jr., on Tuesday. According to the court documents, in 2019 Dixon was convicted of second-degree felony robbery. He was in jail until July 2020 and then released on probation. Sheriff’s Office officials say a month after his release, Dixon was re-arrested for carrying a loaded gun and possession of drugs. The drug charge qualified for zero-dollar bail, which meant that he only had to put up $10,000 on the other charge. On August 19, 2020, Dixon was arrested again for five felonies and one misdemeanor, according to court documents. Those charges included possession of meth, being a felon with a firearm, and resisting a police officer. Dixon stayed in Jail until April 2022 when he was transferred to the state prison. Due to credits for time served and Assembly Bill 109, Dixon was released on probation. Once Dixon was released, the Sheriff’s Office says he was put on probation. In November 2022 he spent two weeks in jail for a violation, then he was released. On Tuesday, he was arrested again, this time for allegedly shooting and killing Selma Police Officer, 24-year-old Gonzalo Carrasco Jr. According to Mugridge, some of the charges qualify for special circumstances, meaning the District Attorney will likely ask for life in prison or the death penalty.

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The insufferable prick Newsom has blood on his hands.

More like the politicians who won't fund prosecution and jails.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Covid caused delays in the court system which would be expected to increase the crime rate.

Why would Covid increase recidivism?

Because the swiftness of punishment is a substantial part of it's deterrence value. Slow justice is less of a deterrent.

 

[lpetrich]

The insufferable prick Newsom has blood on his hands.

More like the politicians who won't fund prosecution and jails.

That would not be evident from the US's extremely high imprisonment rate. Incarceration Rates by Country 2023

Why are incarceration rates only 1/6 in Canada as in the US? Or as low as 1/10 in some European countries? Norway has 1/11, so why hasn't it been overrun by criminal gangs?

Mass incarceration in the United States is a civil rights issue. Organizations such as the Prison Policy Initiative argue that incarceration dehumanizes poor people and minorities, damages already marginalized communities, and often jails people for small-scale offenses such as marijuana possession in countries where weed is illegal. Additionally, evidence exists that a high incarceration rate does not actually increase public safety—a stance often validated by data on crime rate per country, murder rates, rape statistics, and gun violence per country. Nor, for that matter, does capital punishment, commonly known as the death penalty.

Mass incarceration can also lead to several logistical issues including prison overcrowding, which increases health risks and decreases the psychological well-being of those inside. Around the world, many countries have jail occupancy rates that exceed 100% of their prison system's capacity. Kenya's jail occupancy level is currently 284%. Additionally, the massive number of prisons and prisoners places a significant strain on state budgets. Prison costs include adequate security, food, recreational and education opportunities, infrastructure maintenance, utility costs for the facilities, healthcare for the prisoners, and (in better prisons) programs to train and rehabilitate inmates so they are less likely to return to prison in the future. State prison spending varies greatly and can be as high as $69,355 per inmate per year (the average cost of an inmate in New York).

So I'd suggest alternatives to prison, like for shoplifters, ankle bracelets that would alert shopkeepers of their presence. They might otherwise lead normal lives, but they'd be dependent on others to do their shopping for them.

Also stop the drug warring. Be sure to have treatment available for drug addicts, like antidotes.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There are consequences to bad policies.

Our politicians in California don't care;


News

The insufferable prick Newsom has blood on his hands.

More like the politicians who won't fund prosecution and jails.

What is that number on how many we have in prison these days? Isn't part of the problem we have too many in prison? Prisons are more for the people we don't trust to be in society because they are reoffenders of notable crimes or are violent.

 

[TSwizzle]

The fifth largest economy in the world ;

In LA County, more than 500 homeless RVs line the streets for miles, creating a scene that looks more like a third-world country than the United States. It’s the largest concentration of homeless RVs in LA County. And on Tuesday, community leaders started cleaning it up, thanks to one man, who says it’ll only scratch the surface in what needs a serious overhaul. Trashed-out, broken-down homeless RVs, blocking sidewalks and lanes of traffic, infested with filth, drugs, weapons and crime.
"At night, it’s crazy around here!" says Jose Sanchez who says he chooses to be homeless and live in his RV. From Broadway to 140th to Redondo Beach Blvd, derelict boats, surfboards and trailers, where puppies roam free, parking is free and rules don’t apply. "The septic tanks are being emptied by a few individuals who charge $50-$75 to take the waste out of the septic in the RVs and then they’re disposing of that waste into the storm drains on the streets so we often have back-up overflow," says Matthews. Some homeless fires here are accidents, others "pay-back," like one today, captured on surveillance. The burned-out RVs just become part of the roadside décor. One on 135th burned down 4 months ago and is still here.

Fox

 

[Oleg]

What is that number on how many we have in prison these days? Isn't part of the problem we have too many in prison?

The opposite. We have too few in prision. We have a decarceration problem.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-the-largest-declines-in-prisoner-populations

The overall number of prisoners in the country reduced by 11% in the decade from 2009-2019, to 1.4 million people.

And the consequence of this policy:

Missouri prosecutor asked to resign after Tennessee teen athlete loses legs in crash

The Missouri attorney general called Wednesday for the resignation of St. Louis' elected prosecutor, after a motorist who repeatedly violated his bond condition

fox17.com

His bond violations included letting his GPS monitor die and breaking terms for his house arrest, according to court records, which show he violated bond at least seven times since Feb. 1, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.

Court officials said they didn’t know Riley had violated his bond because prosecutors had never filed a motion to revoke it.

 

[Oleg]

The fifth largest economy in the world ;

In LA County, more than 500 homeless RVs line the streets for miles, creating a scene that looks more like a third-world country than the United States. It’s the largest concentration of homeless RVs in LA County. And on Tuesday, community leaders started cleaning it up, thanks to one man, who says it’ll only scratch the surface in what needs a serious overhaul. Trashed-out, broken-down homeless RVs, blocking sidewalks and lanes of traffic, infested with filth, drugs, weapons and crime.
"At night, it’s crazy around here!" says Jose Sanchez who says he chooses to be homeless and live in his RV. From Broadway to 140th to Redondo Beach Blvd, derelict boats, surfboards and trailers, where puppies roam free, parking is free and rules don’t apply. "The septic tanks are being emptied by a few individuals who charge $50-$75 to take the waste out of the septic in the RVs and then they’re disposing of that waste into the storm drains on the streets so we often have back-up overflow," says Matthews. Some homeless fires here are accidents, others "pay-back," like one today, captured on surveillance. The burned-out RVs just become part of the roadside décor. One on 135th burned down 4 months ago and is still here.

Fox

People vote with their feet.

California's Population Has Dropped by Over Half a Million Since 2020

The exodus from CA to other states was sparked by the pandemic, but is sustained by remote work and the rising cost of housing

www.lamag.com

 

[laughing dog]

What is that number on how many we have in prison these days? Isn't part of the problem we have too many in prison?

The opposite. We have to few in prision. We have a decarceration problem.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-the-largest-declines-in-prisoner-populations

The overall number of prisoners in the country reduced by 11% in the decade from 2009-2019, to 1.4 million people.

And the consequence of this policy:

Missouri prosecutor asked to resign after Tennessee teen athlete loses legs in crash

The Missouri attorney general called Wednesday for the resignation of St. Louis' elected prosecutor, after a motorist who repeatedly violated his bond condition

fox17.com

His bond violations included letting his GPS monitor die and breaking terms for his house arrest, according to court records, which show he violated bond at least seven times since Feb. 1, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.

Court officials said they didn’t know Riley had violated his bond because prosecutors had never filed a motion to revoke it.

The US has a relatively high incarceration rate for a developed country. If you want to have more people imprisoned, are you willing to have your taxes substantially increased to pay for the construction of new prisons and the compensation for more prison workers? If not, then you are simply whining.

 

[Oleg]

The US has a relatively high incarceration rate for a developed country.

Different demographics.

are you willing to have your taxes substantially increased to pay for the construction of new prisons and the compensation for more prison workers?

Absolutely. Most people would.