Covid-19 miscellany

[Trausti]

I know you and Trausti are obsessed with bears, but the fact they were bears is a red herring.

How is it a red herring? I thought it was morbidly funny. But it also shows how misguided it is to mandate masks due to this atypical event. The masks are just political theater, anyway.

Due to your obsession with bears, you are imagining them in a massive bear orgy creating viral infections. That didn't happen outside your mind.

The other thing about it is that, despite the spike, few actually got sick. There’s really no reason to continue with this hysteria. The Zero Covid crowd are just stupid.

 

[Trausti]

I know you and Trausti are obsessed with bears, but the fact they were bears is a red herring.

How is it a red herring? I thought it was morbidly funny. But it also shows how misguided it is to mandate masks due to this atypical event. The masks are just political theater, anyway.

And South Dakota is hosting its very own super spreader event #2.

People do stupid things. Why do you think this pandemic is continuing???????

It’s continuing because too many have too much invested in it to let it go.

 

[TSwizzle]

My city just started a mask mandate AGAIN! Thank you dumb-asses.

I thought you were fine with it ?

 

[TSwizzle]

So let's see if I've got this correct:

Despite the fact the every medical community across the world independently came to same conclusion about mask wearing during a global pandemic, you are convinced there isn't any evidence about the efficacy of wearing a mask.

I’m not convinced but go ahead, provide the evidence that wearing a mask “stops the spread”.

 

[bilby]

So let's see if I've got this correct:

Despite the fact the every medical community across the world independently came to same conclusion about mask wearing during a global pandemic, you are convinced there isn't any evidence about the efficacy of wearing a mask.

I’m not convinced but go ahead, provide the evidence that wearing a mask “stops the spread”.

For the third time:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0272989X211019029

During the initial epidemic outbreak, with no social distancing, only 100% coverage of masks with high effectiveness can reduce the effective reproductive number R_e below 1. During a resurgence, with lowered transmission rates due to social distancing measures, masks with medium effectiveness at 80% coverage can reduce R_e below 1 but cannot do so if individuals relax social distancing efforts. Full mask coverage could significantly improve outcomes during a resurgence: with social distancing, masks with at least medium effectiveness could reduce R_e below 1 and avert almost all infections, even with intervention fatigue. For coverage levels below 100%, prioritizing masks that reduce the risk of an infected individual from spreading the infection rather than the risk of a susceptible individual from getting infected yields the greatest benefit.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms; nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.

The available evidence suggests that near-universal adoption of nonmedical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures, could successfully reduce R_e to below 1, thereby reducing community spread if such measures are sustained. Economic analysis suggests that mask wearing mandates could add 1 trillion dollars to the US GDP.

https://academic.oup.com/trstmh/article/115/1/74/5908761

Background
In East Asia, face masks are commonly worn to reduce viral spread. In Euope and North America, however, their use has been stigmatised for a long time, although this view has radically changed during the ongoing severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) pandemic. Notwithstanding this, it is still unclear whether face masks worn by COVID-19 carriers may indeed prevent viral transmission and environmental contamination. The objective of this study was to evaluate the effectiveness of surgical face masks in filtering SARS-CoV-2.
Methods
Four male patients with COVID-19 were recruited for the study. Two patients wore a surgical mask for 5 h, while two others did not. The spread of the virus in the environment was evaluated through the approved Allplex 2019-nCoV assay.
Results
In the room with the two patients without surgical masks, the swab performed on the headboard and sides of the beds was positive for SARS-CoV-2 contamination. In the other room, where two patients were wearing surgical masks, all of the swabs obtained after 5 h tested negative.
Conclusions
The results of the current study add to the growing body of literature supporting the use of face masks as a measure to contain the spread of SARS-CoV-2 by retaining potentially contagious droplets that can infect other people and/or contaminate surfaces. Based on the current evidence, face masks should therefore be considered a useful and low-cost device in addition to social distancing and hand hygiene during the postlockdown phase.

https://talkfreethought.org/showthread.php?22276-Covid-19-miscellany&p=921390&viewfull=1#post921390

Please could someone not on his 'ignore' list at least reply with quote to this so he cannot pretend to not be aware of this evidence?

Because frankly it's becoming very tedious indeed to see his empty requests for already provided evidence, over and over again.

 

[bleubird]

My city just started a mask mandate AGAIN! Thank you dumb-asses.

I thought you were fine with it ?

Fine with what? Mask mandates or dumb asses threatening my health?

 

[Arctish]

So let's see if I've got this correct:

Despite the fact the every medical community across the world independently came to same conclusion about mask wearing during a global pandemic, you are convinced there isn't any evidence about the efficacy of wearing a mask.

I’m not convinced but go ahead, provide the evidence that wearing a mask “stops the spread”.

For the third time:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0272989X211019029

During the initial epidemic outbreak, with no social distancing, only 100% coverage of masks with high effectiveness can reduce the effective reproductive number R_e below 1. During a resurgence, with lowered transmission rates due to social distancing measures, masks with medium effectiveness at 80% coverage can reduce R_e below 1 but cannot do so if individuals relax social distancing efforts. Full mask coverage could significantly improve outcomes during a resurgence: with social distancing, masks with at least medium effectiveness could reduce R_e below 1 and avert almost all infections, even with intervention fatigue. For coverage levels below 100%, prioritizing masks that reduce the risk of an infected individual from spreading the infection rather than the risk of a susceptible individual from getting infected yields the greatest benefit.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms; nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.

The available evidence suggests that near-universal adoption of nonmedical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures, could successfully reduce R_e to below 1, thereby reducing community spread if such measures are sustained. Economic analysis suggests that mask wearing mandates could add 1 trillion dollars to the US GDP.

https://academic.oup.com/trstmh/article/115/1/74/5908761

Background
In East Asia, face masks are commonly worn to reduce viral spread. In Euope and North America, however, their use has been stigmatised for a long time, although this view has radically changed during the ongoing severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) pandemic. Notwithstanding this, it is still unclear whether face masks worn by COVID-19 carriers may indeed prevent viral transmission and environmental contamination. The objective of this study was to evaluate the effectiveness of surgical face masks in filtering SARS-CoV-2.
Methods
Four male patients with COVID-19 were recruited for the study. Two patients wore a surgical mask for 5 h, while two others did not. The spread of the virus in the environment was evaluated through the approved Allplex 2019-nCoV assay.
Results
In the room with the two patients without surgical masks, the swab performed on the headboard and sides of the beds was positive for SARS-CoV-2 contamination. In the other room, where two patients were wearing surgical masks, all of the swabs obtained after 5 h tested negative.
Conclusions
The results of the current study add to the growing body of literature supporting the use of face masks as a measure to contain the spread of SARS-CoV-2 by retaining potentially contagious droplets that can infect other people and/or contaminate surfaces. Based on the current evidence, face masks should therefore be considered a useful and low-cost device in addition to social distancing and hand hygiene during the postlockdown phase.

https://talkfreethought.org/showthread.php?22276-Covid-19-miscellany&p=921390&viewfull=1#post921390

Please could someone not on his 'ignore' list at least reply with quote to this so he cannot pretend to not be aware of this evidence?

Because frankly it's becoming very tedious indeed to see his empty requests for already provided evidence, over and over again.

Reposting this information in the hopes it will be seen.

 

[untermensche]

My city just started a mask mandate AGAIN! Thank you dumb-asses.

I thought you were fine with it ?

Wearing a mask is about the lowest form of bother that exists.

But only the vaccinated were supposed to not be wearing them in public.

Many total scumbags that were not vaccinated stopped wearing masks.

And they created a second wave.

In Florida with our total moron for governor the numbers are as bad as they ever were.

My hospital was nearly done with COVID. We had about 4 patients a few weeks ago.

In the last 3 weeks we have jumped from 30 to 40 to now 80 COVID patients.

Mostly the unvaccinated.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I keep forgetting it is death or nothing. Why do you keep asking the same question that has been answered dozens of times.

Mutations, more spread, strain on the health care system. Is this so hard to remember? The CDC is saying this is chicken pox grade contractibility.

Why is your response always centered on narcissism? If Delta gets to the vaccinated, that means those in the health care fields (especially hospitals) are at risk.

I don't think that's true. When vaccinated people get any variant of Covid-19 it's just a common flu.

I'll reformulate the question, what's your arguments for the delta variant being dangerous to the vaccinated? I haven't seen any.

The CDC says that 98 to 99 percent of those dying are not vaccinated. That means that 1 to 2 percent of those dying have been vaccinated.

Yes, the flu kills people. What's new?

The plan was to use vaccine to turn Covid-19 into a normal flu = Success. We can stop fighting it now.

Accepting that some people die is a part of life

 

[ideologyhunter]

"Some people"? We crossed the half million mark in the U.S. some time ago. Losing the equivalent of our Civil War dead in the space of a year is in no way an ordinary event or one we should see as normal. (Ask any health care worker you know. Their lives have often been unbearable in the plague year.)
No one knows how bad the variants can get -- and our unvaxxed countrymen are letting those variants breed and mutate. Unthinkable that we would let another tidal wave of this virus overtake us. This thing could paralyze us, all over again, and who can tell when or if new vaccines can be created?

 

[untermensche]

The CDC says that 98 to 99 percent of those dying are not vaccinated. That means that 1 to 2 percent of those dying have been vaccinated.

Yes, the flu kills people. What's new?

The plan was to use vaccine to turn Covid-19 into a normal flu = Success. We can stop fighting it now.

Accepting that some people die is a part of life

It's not the normal flu.

It is about 10 times as deadly.

And the so-called normal flu is a different virus every year.

They try to guess with the vaccine but are sometimes wrong.

COVID is a known enemy.

That is totally different from seasonal flu.

We can eradicate a known enemy. Like Polio.

If people behave rationally and get the vaccine and follow the advise, that might change, from the experts.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Due to your obsession with bears, you are imagining them in a massive bear orgy creating viral infections. That didn't happen outside your mind.

The other thing about it is that, despite the spike, few actually got sick. There’s really no reason to continue with this hysteria.

Here's a related news article:

An analysis of a COVID-19 cluster of around 900 people in Massachusetts—74 percent of whom are vaccinated—is among the alarming data that spurred the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to reverse course on masks this week.

...

The CDC-published study included 469 cases from the cluster, 346 of which were in fully vaccinated people. Of those breakthrough infections, 79 percent had symptoms, with cough, headache, sore throat, myalgia, and fever being the most common symptoms. There were five hospitalizations in the subset: one in an unvaccinated person with underlying medical conditions and four in fully vaccinated people, two of whom had underlying medical conditions. No deaths from cases linked to the cluster have been reported to date.

Nationwide, the CDC estimated that there are 35,000 symptomatic breakthrough infections per week among 162 million fully vaccinated Americans.

Can you be more specific in your claim that "few" got sick? Which number is few? Few typically means numbers way less than these so please explain yourself.

The Zero Covid crowd are just stupid.

Perhaps it isn't the Zero Covid crowd that is stupid.

 

[ZiprHead]

The CDC says that 98 to 99 percent of those dying are not vaccinated. That means that 1 to 2 percent of those dying have been vaccinated.

Yes, the flu kills people. What's new?

The plan was to use vaccine to turn Covid-19 into a normal flu = Success. We can stop fighting it now.

Accepting that some people die is a part of life

You sound like that rightwing dipshit on OANN that said we should not vaccinate people and we should just let them die because it's the natural way of life.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Florida is exploding in daily cases. Hospitals have to keep up in real time. But I suppose if you don’t see it and have no ability to see pass their own noses, see no bad - there is no bad.

 

[Elixir]

Now we know that vaccinated persons like myself can carry a very significant viral load of the Delta variant, remain mostly asymptomatic and spread it among the unvaxed.
So I think that's exactly what I'm going to do.

 

[repoman]

Does anyone have further context on this clip of Mexico's president Obrador from twitter that seems to be posted by a vaccine critic link in the RT article. Not seeing much on a web search.

Doesn't mean it is not accurate and recent though...

https://www.rt.com/news/530770-mexico-hostage-vaccines-pharmaceutical-companies/

https://twitter.com/GillianMcKeith/status/1421366469095563265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1421366469095563265%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fnews%2F530770-mexico-hostage-vaccines-pharmaceutical-companies%2F

Mexico will not be held hostage by pharmaceutical companies that only want to do business and scare children with the idea that it is necessary to vaccinate against Covid-19.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Does anyone have further context on this clip of Mexico's president Obrador from twitter that seems to be posted by a vaccine critic link in the RT article. Not seeing much on a web search.

Doesn't mean it is not accurate and recent though...

https://www.rt.com/news/530770-mexico-hostage-vaccines-pharmaceutical-companies/

https://twitter.com/GillianMcKeith/status/1421366469095563265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1421366469095563265%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fnews%2F530770-mexico-hostage-vaccines-pharmaceutical-companies%2F

Mexico will not be held hostage by pharmaceutical companies that only want to do business and scare children with the idea that it is necessary to vaccinate against Covid-19.

Man, more passive aggressive anti-vax bullshit.

 

[repoman]

Yeah these pharma companies are all angels



Why would Amlo be suspicious of them at all?


Maybe Youtube should remove this video because it tangentially may lead some people to not want a vaccine from company fined 2 billion dollars for a criminal offense.

 

[TomC]

Yeah these pharma companies are all angels



Why would Amlo be suspicious of them at all?


Maybe Youtube should remove this video because it tangentially may lead some people to not want a vaccine from company fined 2 billion dollars for a criminal offense.

Before I bother downloading the video, does it have anything to do with the C19 vaccine?
Or is it a side issue?
Tom

 

[repoman]

It is about the company making one of the vaccines, so it is directly related to the vaccine in that way.

Or do you think the vaccine sprouted from magical soil?