Covid-19 miscellany

[ZiprHead]

I know you and Trausti are obsessed with bears, but the fact they were bears is a red herring.

How is it a red herring? I thought it was morbidly funny. But it also shows how misguided it is to mandate masks due to this atypical event. The masks are just political theater, anyway.

No one was allowed into the concert venue without proof of vaccination or a recent negative covid test.

 

[ZiprHead]

Lindsey Graham has covid. Poor baby.

 

[ideologyhunter]

So...the covid virus can survive in an environment of tepid oil?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You mean a jellyfish?

 

[Shadowy Man]

Ya know, if people lost weight, exercised, cut the carbs, and went out in the Sun that’d really be helpful. Nah, better mask forever, stay home, and get fat.

We can’t even get people to put a simple piece of cloth over the face or get two shots. you think telling people to exercise and diet will be more effective??

 

[Trausti]

I don’t know if random fat men engaging in mass sex with other random fat men is really considered healthy.

You keep fantasizing there was a massive sex orgy that caused the super spreader event. Meanwhile selecting someone for sex is far more restrictive than merely breathing next to them. All the people at the party were dancing and drinking etc etc. Whatever sex happened in addition to that between random individuals would be nothing in comparison to all the breathing.

It’s just a crazy coincidence the spike was 85% guys at the gayest event of the year. Um, okay.

 

[Trausti]

I know you and Trausti are obsessed with bears, but the fact they were bears is a red herring.

How is it a red herring? I thought it was morbidly funny. But it also shows how misguided it is to mandate masks due to this atypical event. The masks are just political theater, anyway.

No one was allowed into the concert venue without proof of vaccination or a recent negative covid test.

???

So why the re-masking mandates? You’ve got vaccines that work (thank you, Operation Warp Speed) - be free!

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I don’t know if random fat men engaging in mass sex with other random fat men is really considered healthy.

You keep fantasizing there was a massive sex orgy that caused the super spreader event. Meanwhile selecting someone for sex is far more restrictive than merely breathing next to them. All the people at the party were dancing and drinking etc etc. Whatever sex happened in addition to that between random individuals would be nothing in comparison to all the breathing.

It’s just a crazy coincidence the spike was 85% guys at the gayest event of the year. Um, okay.

I know you want this to be true, but "gay" doesn't mean all the guys are having sex with each other at once in a massive orgy. As for coincidence, it's a large party with people dancing and breathing all over each other in a confined space much of the time. Exactly how would it be a coincidence that many of them are passing covid to each other?

Here's a picture:


In a very confined space with poor ventilation, one sick person will get scores of others sick in just a couple of hours. Now this thing lasted a week presumably at different venues and maybe not everyone stayed for a week in P-town, but surely some stayed multiple days. So one sick person may be getting even more than that sick because it spans multiple days. Now if you have 5 sick people out of 200 (or whatever), it's pretty much going to get everyone sick because the air will become saturated with the virus to the extent that people get it from just being in the room. If you compare that to gay men having sex with each other as an alternative cause, bears were not having sex with another 40 bears maxing out the numbers. Sex contact just isn't as common as breathing next to someone in a confined space.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I don’t know if random fat men engaging in mass sex with other random fat men is really considered healthy.

You keep fantasizing there was a massive sex orgy that caused the super spreader event. Meanwhile selecting someone for sex is far more restrictive than merely breathing next to them. All the people at the party were dancing and drinking etc etc. Whatever sex happened in addition to that between random individuals would be nothing in comparison to all the breathing.

Doggy style is Corona safe. Missionary position isn't. The gays are doing it right.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Regarding P-Town, that isn't the only super-spreader. It is one of the only ones that was tracked. MA was home to this event, granted, a very isolated part of the state but most of those people don't live in P-Town. And MA hasn't devolved into Florida daily cases. Florida is having numerous undocumented P-Town events.

 

[crazyfingers]

Regarding P-Town, that isn't the only super-spreader. It is one of the only ones that was tracked. MA was home to this event, granted, a very isolated part of the state but most of those people don't live in P-Town. And MA hasn't devolved into Florida daily cases. Florida is having numerous undocumented P-Town events.

Yes I had reviewed a story in the Boston Globe which I didn't post about because it's behind a paywall but IIRC about 70% of the cases were among people from out of state.

 

[Toni]

Regarding P-Town, that isn't the only super-spreader. It is one of the only ones that was tracked. MA was home to this event, granted, a very isolated part of the state but most of those people don't live in P-Town. And MA hasn't devolved into Florida daily cases. Florida is having numerous undocumented P-Town events.

Sturgis is coming up quick. It was a terrific multi-state super spreader before. I'm sure this one will be even bigger. Of course, I don't know how many of the attendees will be vaccinated. I am just pissed that a bunch will be traveling through my state to get there and back.

 

[repoman]

Will most people who have been vaccinated (or previously infected last year) ALSO produce new type antibodies to the Delta variant or just start producing the previously acquired antibodies?

If it is the latter, would that not be like getting a booster shot of a Delta vaccine?

I know I asked something similar before but no one had an answer for it.

 

[TSwizzle]

Sturgis is coming up quick. It was a terrific multi-state super spreader before.

Not really.



Anyway, Sweden is ditching the useless masks altogether;

Mask-free Sweden is approaching zero Covid deaths per day while the country's chief epidemiologist has swatted away fears over the Delta variant's infectiousness. In the last two weeks, Sweden has recorded an average of 0.6 Covid deaths per day, this compares with 74 fatalities in the UK and 329 deaths in US per day over the same period. At the beginning of July it dropped its last remaining mask mandate - for public transport - while health chiefs in the US and the UK are arguing that face coverings must still to be worn to stop the spread of the rampant Delta (Indian) variant. The US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Friday warned the Delta variant was as infectious as chickenpox - but Anders Tegnell, the architect of Sweden's Covid strategy, cautioned against such sweeping analogies.

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[TomC]

Anyway, Sweden is ditching the useless masks altogether;

What does Sweden have to do with anything? It's not even comparable to Florida, much less Sturgis.

It is more than a little ironic that you want to emulate socialist Sweden, though.
Tom

 

[Patooka]

Anyway, Sweden is ditching the useless masks altogether;

What does Sweden have to do with anything? It's not even comparable to Florida, much less Sturgis.

It is more than a little ironic that you want to emulate socialist Sweden, though.
Tom

tswizzle's posts in this thread are essentially moronic parroting of a shitty sensationalist media outlet. Good luck trying to glean anything constructive from his posts. It's pretty obvious he doesn't want to discuss anything and is doing the online version of flinging shit into a fan. What's depressing is that his attitude is eerily similar a lot of dumb cunts and is the predominant reason why there's still a global pandemic.

 

[steve_bank]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/02/politics/kfile-rnc-peter-feaman-covid-19-vaccine/index.html

(CNN)Amid recent surging coronavirus cases in Florida, a top Republican National Committee official in the state has spread anti-vaccine rhetoric and misinformation, comparing the Biden administration's vaccine efforts to Nazi-era "brown shirts," and twice calling the vaccines "the mark of the beast," comparable to a "false god."

A review by CNN's KFile found that Peter Feaman, a lawyer and RNC committeeman from Florida made the comments on his blog the "The Backhoe Chronicles," which he publishes regularly in a private group on MeWe. The social media platform bills itself as the "anti-Facebook" app.
"The Biden brown shirts are beginning to show up at private homes questioning vaccine papers," Feaman wrote on July 20, incorrectly implying government officials would be showing up at people's homes to question their vaccination status, comparing them to the Nazi Party paramilitary wing.
Previously, he supported far-right Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who used the term and faced swift backlash.

In May, Feaman called Covid-19 vaccines a "mark of the beast" -- a reference to a symbol from the biblical Book of Revelations showing allegiance to Satan -- and called Michigan Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer "diabolical" for encouraging vaccines. "Diabolical Michigan Governor Whiter wants her citizens to get the Mark of the Beast to participate in society," Feaman wrote.
"Now the Michigan Democrat has announced that she is going to prolong the state's suffering until residents submit to getting 'the jab' and if enough of them comply with her demands, then she and Joe Biden might permit them to celebrate Fourth of July," he added, seemingly referencing the Biden administration's goal to have 70% of the US adult population with at least one dose of the vaccine by that holiday. (The goal was not met.)
He later added, "Hey Whitmer, we will not bow to your false god."
CNN reached out to Feaman and the RNC for comment multiple times but neither responded.
Feaman is one of three officials representing Florida in the governing body of the RNC, the political committee which leads the Republican Party. He has served in the position since 2012.
His reelection to the position in 2020 at an annual Florida Republican Party meeting was supported by state party chairman Joe Gruters, and he was previously appointed to nomination commissions for state and federal judges by Sen. Marco Rubio and then-Florida Gov. Rick Scott. He also served as an elector in the 2016 and 2020 presidential election.
On Sunday, Florida broke its record for coronavirus hospitalizations just one day after the state recorded the most new daily Covid-19 cases since the start of the pandemic.
On Thursday, Feaman attacked new US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance suggesting wearing masks indoors in places with high rates of Delta variant transmission.
"The wolves want control and power," he wrote. "As for me and my house--we will fight them."….

We are failing the Darwin Test. I do not think we will survive the future with such a significant percentage of the population including politicians that think this way.

 

[Toni]

Sturgis is coming up quick. It was a terrific multi-state super spreader before.

Not really.

Yes, really:

https://www.kare11.com/article/news...id-19/89-520a6bf4-b5ff-47bf-83a2-b5599d3a8b95

Four hundred sixty-three primary cases were reported within two weeks of the rally, and another 186 were identified as secondary contacts, making for 649 total cases traced back to the event. While specimens were not available for "full genome sequencing" to identify the rally as a super-spreader, the CDC reported that it had "many characteristics of a superspreading event."

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/news-scan-apr-29-2021

CDC: 2020 Sturgis Motorcycle Rally a COVID-19 super-spreader event
The August 2020 Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in South Dakota spread COVID-19 across the country, resulting in at least 649 infections—including transmission to household and workplace contacts—over the next 6 weeks, according to a study today in Clinical Infectious Diseases.

In the study, researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) analyzed data and phone interview results from 39 state, county, and city health departments involving COVID-19 patients who had either traveled to Meade County in August 2020 or attended the rally from Aug 7 to 16.

The event attracted about 462,000 people from 61% of US counties, who participated in outdoor and indoor activities. No state, county, or city face covering requirements were in effect, the state had few business restrictions, and attendees were observed ignoring physical distancing recommendations.

While nine jurisdictions reported no coronavirus cases, 30 reported at least one rally-related COVID-19 infection during that period. A total of 463 primary lab-confirmed cases were reported within 2 weeks of the rally, and another 186 were identified among secondary or tertiary contacts in 17 jurisdictions.

From Aug 1 to Sept 15, the 14-day coronavirus testing volume in Meade County rose 199%, and the positivity rate climbed from 5% to 8%. Most patients (86%) had symptoms at testing or case investigation. Among the 463 primary COVID-19 patients, 3.7% were hospitalized and 1 died.

South Dakota and the bordering states of Minnesota, Montana, North Dakota, Nebraska, and Wyoming recorded 56% of all infections. Minnesota authorities traced rally-related infections to one third of the state's counties.

Of the 463 patients with primary infections, 60% were men and 84% were White. Slightly more than half of infections were in people 40 to 59 years old, while 16% were in those 60 or older.

The authors noted that the number of cases—140 per 100,000 attendees—is likely an underestimate because rally goers with no symptoms or mild illness may not have sought testing or reported attending the event, and health department resources to identify and interview contacts may have been limited.
Apr 29 Clin Infect Dis study

 

[TSwizzle]

Sturgis;

The event attracted about 462,000, 649 total cases traced back to the event

Hardly anyone got the virus, so no, not really a "super spreader" event. The "study" is pretty shit anyway. A lot of speculation.

 

[Toni]

Sturgis;

The event attracted about 462,000, 649 total cases traced back to the event

Hardly anyone got the virus, so no, not really a "super spreader" event. The "study" is pretty shit anyway. A lot of speculation.

Would you care to share your credentials in epidemiology?

Because from where I'm sitting, you simply don't like what you read--and you didn't read the entire piece.

Here's the truth: We're never going to be able to determine how many MORE COVID cases spread from the 10 day 2020 Sturgis gathering due to the failure of state and local health officials to identify and monitor attendees returning home or to trace chains of transmission after people got sick. SD Governor Noem isn't interested in doing anything that might slow down the fevor to attend this year's rally at Sturgis or to do anything that will call into question the wisdom of her policies related to COVID 19. OTOH, she was more than happy to offload patients to neighboring states, pushing other state's capacity to care for its own patients to the limits.