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I find the concept of a fucktard difficult to grok so I can't be sure, but her behavior seems also compatible with being intelligent and politically motivated.

How about criminal sack of shit or otherwise plague rat to describe Palin?
Without conclusive evidence, I would not describe her in that manner. But she is a bad person.
 

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Why are you continuing to apologize for those who resist scientifically supported measures to stop the virus from killing a bunch of our friends, or even ourselves?
Why do you frame everything dishonestly and then expect me to take the bait?

Here's a question: why do you oppose the government kidnapping her citizens and physically forcing the COVID-19 jab on them?
*spit take*

Since July 1, 2021, 250,000 Americans have died, likely most of them needlessly, because they weren't vax'd.

A quarter million Americans died... needlessly. And your question is asking whether a shot is just too much liberty lost.
I expect that seeing others being asked to take a shot is just too many "lulzcows" lost to maintain their "lulzmilk" addiction.
Jimmy Higgins opposes the government kidnapping her citizens and forcibly injecting them with the COVID vaccine. If he doesn't, then I was mistaken. If he does, then Jimmy Higgins opposes a possible mandate while supporting other mandates.
 

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Why are you continuing to apologize for those who resist scientifically supported measures to stop the virus from killing a bunch of our friends, or even ourselves?
Why do you frame everything dishonestly and then expect me to take the bait?

Here's a question: why do you oppose the government kidnapping her citizens and physically forcing the COVID-19 jab on them?
*spit take*

Since July 1, 2021, 250,000 Americans have died, likely most of them needlessly, because they weren't vax'd.

A quarter million Americans died... needlessly. And your question is asking whether a shot is just too much liberty lost.
So, you oppose the government kidnapping her citizens and forcibly injecting the COVID 19 vaccine?

Why are you a right-wing neo-Nazi supporting 'freedumb'?
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Here's a question: why do you oppose the government kidnapping her citizens and physically forcing the COVID-19 jab on them?
Hyperbole much? This is why it's impossible to take you seriously.
I'm not sure i completely oppose that.
Maybe not kidnapping, no. Some people really do have valid reasons to avoid or delay the jab. Some are willing to take the necessary steps (mask, distancing, quarantine) to not be a threat to others, to take responsibility for their vector status.

But people flashing forged vaccine cards? I'd support holding them down and vaccinating them. Stamp 'JVs.M" on their foreheads, stab 'em in the arms, issue a real vax card. And a lollipop. And a court summons to a clinic for the second shot. And another lollipop.
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Here's a question: why do you oppose the government kidnapping her citizens and physically forcing the COVID-19 jab on them?
Hyperbole much? This is why it's impossible to take you seriously.
What hyperbole?

Do you mean: You oppose the government kidnapping her citizens and forcibly injecting them with the COVID-19 vaccine? So, there is a mandate you would oppose? Why do you oppose it? Why are you a freedumb-loving neo-Nazi?
 

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Actually, her appearance in the restaurant to me indicates she is vaccinated and she is lying about vaccinations.
This.
Really? To me, it just says she's completely comfortable letting other people be vaccinated so that she can be protected while not holding up her end of the bargain. Which is very much on brand.

Also, I believe that the restaurant has verified they did not check for a vaccine card and that she was there as a guest of a frequent diner there (presumably vaxxed and documented as such).
 

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Actually, her appearance in the restaurant to me indicates she is vaccinated and she is lying about vaccinations.
This.
Really? To me, it just says she's completely comfortable letting other people be vaccinated so that she can be protected while not holding up her end of the bargain. Which is very much on brand.

Also, I believe that the restaurant has verified they did not check for a vaccine card and that she was there as a guest of a frequent diner there (presumably vaxxed and documented as such).
I'm sorry Toni, but until Sarah Palin can provide me a long form certificate that certifies she is not vaccinated... her presence in a restaurant that only allows vax'd people is evidence enough for me that she is vaccinated. ;)
 

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Actually, her appearance in the restaurant to me indicates she is vaccinated and she is lying about vaccinations.
This.
Really? To me, it just says she's completely comfortable letting other people be vaccinated so that she can be protected while not holding up her end of the bargain. Which is very much on brand.

Also, I believe that the restaurant has verified they did not check for a vaccine card and that she was there as a guest of a frequent diner there (presumably vaxxed and documented as such).
I'm sorry Toni, but until Sarah Palin can provide me a long form certificate that certifies she is not vaccinated... her presence in a restaurant that only allows vax'd people is evidence enough for me that she is vaccinated. ;)
Hard to tell what would go over better with the Trumpkins....
*) She's vaccinated but flogging anti-vax rhetoric.
*) She's unvaccinated but bullied her way into the restaurant. "FREEDOM!"
*) She's unvaccinated but flashed a phony vax card
*) She's unvaccinated but quoted some bullshit interpretation of the ADA that forces them to accomodate her because of the burden of being Sarah Palin
 

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Hochul said with a complete lack of evidence.

Well, what is it:

Masks protect.

Distancing protects.

Vaccination protects.

Being a Democrat protects.

The observed data makes it very clear that at least one of these four statements is true.
 

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Actually, her appearance in the restaurant to me indicates she is vaccinated and she is lying about vaccinations.
This.
Really? To me, it just says she's completely comfortable letting other people be vaccinated so that she can be protected while not holding up her end of the bargain. Which is very much on brand.

Also, I believe that the restaurant has verified they did not check for a vaccine card and that she was there as a guest of a frequent diner there (presumably vaxxed and documented as such).
I'm sorry Toni, but until Sarah Palin can provide me a long form certificate that certifies she is not vaccinated... her presence in a restaurant that only allows vax'd people is evidence enough for me that she is vaccinated. ;)
Hard to tell what would go over better with the Trumpkins....
*) She's vaccinated but flogging anti-vax rhetoric.
*) She's unvaccinated but bullied her way into the restaurant. "FREEDOM!"
*) She's unvaccinated but flashed a phony vax card
*) She's unvaccinated but quoted some bullshit interpretation of the ADA that forces them to accomodate her because of the burden of being Sarah Palin
*)She’s a celebrity and rules do not apply to her.
 

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But people flashing forged vaccine cards? I'd support holding them down and vaccinating them. Stamp 'JVs.M" on their foreheads, stab 'em in the arms, issue a real vax card. And a lollipop. And a court summons to a clinic for the second shot. And another lollipop.

No. They favor natural "immunity". Give them a choice--needle A contains the vaccine, needle B contains Covid and is followed by a stay in an internment camp until they test negative.
 

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The pandemic is over, it's time to lift all mandates, they have been a failure.

Look at why they failed. You'll find the answer in the mirror.

And the pandemic is far from over. The hospitals are crashing again and have been operating at dangerous overload levels since this started.
 

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But people flashing forged vaccine cards? I'd support holding them down and vaccinating them. Stamp 'JVs.M" on their foreheads, stab 'em in the arms, issue a real vax card. And a lollipop. And a court summons to a clinic for the second shot. And another lollipop.

No. They favor natural "immunity". Give them a choice--needle A contains the vaccine, needle B contains Covid and is followed by a stay in an internment camp until they test negative.
... I mean... Hmmm...

My first thought is "that can't be right".

Perhaps just throw them in an internment camp with all the other anti-vaxxers, particularly the ones who test positive while not vaccinated, and let natural transmission provide the natural immunity.

You get out when your antibody population is at least as high as the average vaccinated person.
 

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First off, it's a BS article based on wishful thinking.

People didn't take steps to slow the spread. This is what we got for ignoring the experts.

We did didn't do what were asked back in 2019 2020. It's now January 2022.

Fixed.

It's over. There is no reason to continue with these damaging restrictions.

Edit: Typo

A friend just had to take their mother to the hospital yesterday. The ER waiting room was full of patients who had already been seen but they didn't have beds for them. Now said friend is isolating because after admission her mother tested positive--one of these "with Covid" cases. Lots of health issues, it's obvious that Covid pushed her situation from nursing home to hospital bed.

That's certainly not over in my book. If I was god I would decree that everyone who prematurely says "It's over" has to spend a day watching in an ER.
 

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No policy or containment measures work without strong adherence to the containment measures.

The containment measures (such as they were) has prolonged the agony, condemned countless people to crushing poverty, destroyed the economy, caused untold suffering to young people, denied the sick access to medical services and likely sent them to an early grave. Not fit for purpose.

Without the containment we would have been seeing Wuhan all over again--the hospitals horrendously overloaded, people simply dying at home without any medical care whatsoever. That's what just the base strain did in a high density environment. We saw a lesser version of it in New York, we had some warning but people weren't taking it seriously.


But you’re bored so let’s all just give up abs die.

Give up and die?! Oh please. Are we supposed to live with these restrictions for ever? Most people won't. I won't and actually I don't.

That's the thing--you always think it's not going to be you or anyone you care about. Are the 1.2 million dead (looking at excess mortality) Americans all nobodies?

Super Bowl, I predict a full house at SoFi Stadium.

Go Rams !

Go Darwin!
 

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Masks, ZERO evidence masks do anything to stop the spread.

I believe that you are very aware that this is a false statement.

There is a substantial segment of the population that operates on the principle that reality will conform to what enough people want it to be. Thus if you can get enough people to believe masks don't help that they will cease to work.

Note that while religious thinking increases this it's not only a problem of the right. We see the same thing with different issues from the left.
 

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the thing--you always think it's not going to be you or anyone you care about. Are the 1.2 million dead (looking at excess mortality) Americans all nobodies?
This is, to me what really comes down to the very core of what is fucked up and evil behavior: asymmetry -- viewing someone else's "self actualization" as having less worth or meaning or value as your own self-actualization.

It is a form of solipsism, and is to be rejected with all due prejudice.
 

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Masks, ZERO evidence masks do anything to stop the spread.

I believe that you are very aware that this is a false statement.

There is a substantial segment of the population that operates on the principle that reality will conform to what enough people want it to be. Thus if you can get enough people to believe masks don't help that they will cease to work.

Note that while religious thinking increases this it's not only a problem of the right. We see the same thing with different issues from the left.
So, there is in our world a thing called "the Tinkerbell effect". It is not something well understood by a lot or even "many" people.

It is the effect wherein sometimes the geometry of an idea is such that when people believe it, it becomes true as a knock-on effect of the belief.

Regardless of whether this effect spawns actual faeries is subject to debate on what "actual faeries" are (one I'm honestly sad nobody on these forums in all it's years has asked in any of the appropriate forums), it is a case in point that the effect does exist.

The belief that masks are ineffective will make them ineffective because of herd immunity effects: a mask on each face is more effective and an infective person without a mask negates a lot of the effectiveness in any given space.

Of course it's like dieting. Dieting is an effective way to lose weight. It doesn't work when you don't do the work.
 

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Humans giving a virus more reproductive rights than a working single mother, or insisting they suffer no inconvenience for posing a risk, flaunting their privilege as the beneficial inheritors of a thousand years of healthcare practices such that they assume they are blessed and invulnerable, not totally dependent on science....
They're making a clearly human choice to be a plague rat. So, we're underlining their humanity.
Of course this is the same readon humans get charged with war crimes, not tanks.

The problem is they are taking the protection of the unborn to an insane extreme. Not only do they favor protecting unborn fetuses over people, they favor protecting unborn viruses over people.
 

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Humans giving a virus more reproductive rights than a working single mother, or insisting they suffer no inconvenience for posing a risk, flaunting their privilege as the beneficial inheritors of a thousand years of healthcare practices such that they assume they are blessed and invulnerable, not totally dependent on science....
They're making a clearly human choice to be a plague rat. So, we're underlining their humanity.
Of course this is the same readon humans get charged with war crimes, not tanks.

The problem is they are taking the protection of the unborn to an insane extreme. Not only do they favor protecting unborn fetuses over people, they favor protecting unborn viruses over people.
But not unborn worms, which is odd.
 

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What are you pointing to? That clearly shows that vaccinated people fare fare better than unvaccinated.
I told you before that I am not on a team, I am not trying to "win".

I have also said that the vaccine helps and so does previous, but dangerous, infection.

Just because some people may misuse this fact of post infection immunity ("natural immunity" is biased against vaccination, so I don't like the term) does not mean that this info should be glossed over or god forbid suppressed. Or in your case somehow dismissed from your mental RAM.

The act of glossing this over to protect the morons gives people an actual lie of omission to focus on and more reason to distrust the health authorities and the press.
 

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Previous, but dangerous, infection
...Weakens the body and damaged the brain forever. The previous infection did nothing special to help that the body wouldn't do otherwise (in this case the "other" of "otherwise" is vaccination)
 

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Previous, but dangerous, infection
...Weakens the body and damaged the brain forever. The previous infection did nothing special to help that the body wouldn't do otherwise (in this case the "other" of "otherwise" is vaccination)

So people in the past in the U.S. and now in places without vaccines who got or are getting infected, DESPITE THE DAMAGE INCURRED, do seem to have better protection against the same variants as the vaccine.

Of course there is a question of asymptotic reduction. If the vaccine gives an 18 fold reduction in hospitalization but previous infection gives a 54 fold reduction, those numbers are awfully small anyways.

Maybe this is an issue not of the raw science, but in how it is spun by people.
 

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Previous, but dangerous, infection
...Weakens the body and damaged the brain forever. The previous infection did nothing special to help that the body wouldn't do otherwise (in this case the "other" of "otherwise" is vaccination)

I think that medical scientists like Eric Topol calling for nasal vaccines and others wanting more proteins included, at least the nucleocapsid protein, would approximate what is special about a dangerous, "don't want to get it" infection.

Make the vaccine closer in form and delivery, nasal passages, to the virus to get better results. This is an area where we are not close to approaching an asymptote.
 

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The authoritarians are going to have to accept this pandemic is over;

Daily coronavirus cases, deaths and hospital admissions were all down today as the UK's fourth wave fell on every front — and figures suggest fatalities have peaked at just 255 per day. There were another 102,292 positive tests across the country in the past 24 hours, Government dashboard data shows, marking a 5 per cent decrease on last Wednesday. aily infections have been plateauing for the past week after coming down quickly from a peak of over 200,000 earlier this month, with rising cases in primary schools and people returning to work thought to be playing a role. Dr Raghib Ali, an epidemiologist at the University of Cambridge, argued it was 'irresponsible' to say deaths were still rising when 'more important date of death' data 'shows that deaths have peaked and are falling in the UK'.

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Or stay home.

MP Bob Seely said:
Thanks to some questionable modelling — poorly presented and often misrepresented — it is true to say that never before has so much harm been done to so many by so few, based on so little, potentially flawed data. It is a national scandal. This is not just the fault of the modellers. It is how their work was interpreted by public health officials, by the media and, yes, by politicians and by government, too. Modelling and forecasts were the ammunition that drove lockdown and created a climate of manipulated fear which was despicable and unforgivable.

Daily Mail

Wales and Scotland start to pull back on covid restrictions.

Scottish First Minister Sturgeon bowed to pressure to axe working from home rules last night as she revealed a 'phased' return to the office for millions of Scots. She told MSPs the Scottish Government is updating its guidance to take effect from next Monday. Ms Sturgeon has said a requirement for two-metre physical distancing in settings where face coverings are exempt is being reduced to one metre.

Science !
 

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Previous, but dangerous, infection
...Weakens the body and damaged the brain forever. The previous infection did nothing special to help that the body wouldn't do otherwise (in this case the "other" of "otherwise" is vaccination)

I think that
...does nothing to help in the moment we have; such waiting just leads to lack of immunity and dangerous infections, which wealen the body and damage the brain forever. The imaginary vaccine that doesn't exist yet and isn't available does nothing at all to help that the body wouldn't do otherwise (in this case the "other" of "otherwise" is infection or vaccination)
 

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Make the vaccine closer in form and delivery, nasal passages, to the virus to get better results. This is an area where we are not close to approaching an asymptote.

I don't think there's anything that can be done to allay the irrational fear of an instant of pinprick pain that underlies so-called "hesitancy".
It's just glorified chickenshittery.
 

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That's certainly not over in my book. If I was god I would decree that everyone who prematurely says "It's over" has to spend a day watching in an ER.
Unmasked.
Hopefully not!
Well, TSwizzle thinks masks are useless. I'd like to see him test his conjecture in this situation.
I would rather in the antivaxx camp that LP suggested, but whatever.

I don't want anyone spewing their unmasked vector air in an ER.
 

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The authoritarians are going to have to accept this pandemic is over;

Daily coronavirus cases, deaths and hospital admissions were all down today as the UK's fourth wave fell on every front — and figures suggest fatalities have peaked at just 255 per day. There were another 102,292 positive tests across the country in the past 24 hours, Government dashboard data shows, marking a 5 per cent decrease on last Wednesday. aily infections have been plateauing for the past week after coming down quickly from a peak of over 200,000 earlier this month, with rising cases in primary schools and people returning to work thought to be playing a role. Dr Raghib Ali, an epidemiologist at the University of Cambridge, argued it was 'irresponsible' to say deaths were still rising when 'more important date of death' data 'shows that deaths have peaked and are falling in the UK'.

Daily Mail

Or stay home.

MP Bob Seely said:
Thanks to some questionable modelling — poorly presented and often misrepresented — it is true to say that never before has so much harm been done to so many by so few, based on so little, potentially flawed data. It is a national scandal. This is not just the fault of the modellers. It is how their work was interpreted by public health officials, by the media and, yes, by politicians and by government, too. Modelling and forecasts were the ammunition that drove lockdown and created a climate of manipulated fear which was despicable and unforgivable.

Daily Mail

Wales and Scotland start to pull back on covid restrictions.

Scottish First Minister Sturgeon bowed to pressure to axe working from home rules last night as she revealed a 'phased' return to the office for millions of Scots. She told MSPs the Scottish Government is updating its guidance to take effect from next Monday. Ms Sturgeon has said a requirement for two-metre physical distancing in settings where face coverings are exempt is being reduced to one metre.

Science !
But I was told those mandates were going to stay in effect forever so the left can "control the masses"!?!
 

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The authoritarians are going to have to accept this pandemic is over;

Daily coronavirus cases, deaths and hospital admissions were all down today as the UK's fourth wave fell on every front — and figures suggest fatalities have peaked at just 255 per day. There were another 102,292 positive tests across the country in the past 24 hours, Government dashboard data shows, marking a 5 per cent decrease on last Wednesday. aily infections have been plateauing for the past week after coming down quickly from a peak of over 200,000 earlier this month, with rising cases in primary schools and people returning to work thought to be playing a role. Dr Raghib Ali, an epidemiologist at the University of Cambridge, argued it was 'irresponsible' to say deaths were still rising when 'more important date of death' data 'shows that deaths have peaked and are falling in the UK'.

Daily Mail

Or stay home.

MP Bob Seely said:
Thanks to some questionable modelling — poorly presented and often misrepresented — it is true to say that never before has so much harm been done to so many by so few, based on so little, potentially flawed data. It is a national scandal. This is not just the fault of the modellers. It is how their work was interpreted by public health officials, by the media and, yes, by politicians and by government, too. Modelling and forecasts were the ammunition that drove lockdown and created a climate of manipulated fear which was despicable and unforgivable.

Daily Mail

Wales and Scotland start to pull back on covid restrictions.

Scottish First Minister Sturgeon bowed to pressure to axe working from home rules last night as she revealed a 'phased' return to the office for millions of Scots. She told MSPs the Scottish Government is updating its guidance to take effect from next Monday. Ms Sturgeon has said a requirement for two-metre physical distancing in settings where face coverings are exempt is being reduced to one metre.

Science !
But I was told those mandates were going to stay in effect forever so the left can "control the masses"!?!
Masks said:
[ctrl]THE MASSES[/ctrl]
Yup.
 

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More protests in Europe;

Tens of thousands of people have today gathered to protest Germany's Covid rules as other European nationals start dropping restrictions despite cases still going up. Demonstrators waved placards translating to 'this policy destroys us all' and 'live and let live' during a rally at the Koenigsplatz - a square in Munich - on Wednesday. One protester was seen holding a sign reading 'no compulsory vaccination', as the country's lawmakers debate whether to make the jab mandatory for all adults.
Meanwhile, the Netherlands has started lifting restrictions with bars, restaurants and theatres reopening today despite record infection levels.

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More protests in Europe;

Tens of thousands of people have today gathered to protest Germany's Covid rules as other European nationals start dropping restrictions despite cases still going up. Demonstrators waved placards translating to 'this policy destroys us all' and 'live and let live' during a rally at the Koenigsplatz - a square in Munich - on Wednesday. One protester was seen holding a sign reading 'no compulsory vaccination', as the country's lawmakers debate whether to make the jab mandatory for all adults.
Meanwhile, the Netherlands has started lifting restrictions with bars, restaurants and theatres reopening today despite record infection levels.

Daily Mail

Thanks for pointing out that not all stupid anti-vaxers, anti-maskers and selfish gits are in the US.
 

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The authoritarians are going to have to accept this pandemic is over;

Daily coronavirus cases, deaths and hospital admissions were all down today as the UK's fourth wave fell on every front — and figures suggest fatalities have peaked at just 255 per day. There were another 102,292 positive tests across the country in the past 24 hours, Government dashboard data shows, marking a 5 per cent decrease on last Wednesday. aily infections have been plateauing for the past week after coming down quickly from a peak of over 200,000 earlier this month, with rising cases in primary schools and people returning to work thought to be playing a role. Dr Raghib Ali, an epidemiologist at the University of Cambridge, argued it was 'irresponsible' to say deaths were still rising when 'more important date of death' data 'shows that deaths have peaked and are falling in the UK'.

Daily Mail

Or stay home.

MP Bob Seely said:
Thanks to some questionable modelling — poorly presented and often misrepresented — it is true to say that never before has so much harm been done to so many by so few, based on so little, potentially flawed data. It is a national scandal. This is not just the fault of the modellers. It is how their work was interpreted by public health officials, by the media and, yes, by politicians and by government, too. Modelling and forecasts were the ammunition that drove lockdown and created a climate of manipulated fear which was despicable and unforgivable.

Daily Mail

Wales and Scotland start to pull back on covid restrictions.

Scottish First Minister Sturgeon bowed to pressure to axe working from home rules last night as she revealed a 'phased' return to the office for millions of Scots. She told MSPs the Scottish Government is updating its guidance to take effect from next Monday. Ms Sturgeon has said a requirement for two-metre physical distancing in settings where face coverings are exempt is being reduced to one metre.

Science !
The UK stands for "United Kingdom".. I know it looks a lot alike, but the people everyone here is talking about live in the US, which stands for "United States".
 

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I find the concept of a fucktard difficult to grok so I can't be sure, but her behavior seems also compatible with being intelligent and politically motivated.

How about criminal sack of shit or otherwise plague rat to describe Palin?
Without conclusive evidence, I would not describe her in that manner. But she is a bad person.
My friend who taught her how to shoot a shotgun says she is a nice person. A nice person who should not be alllowed within miles of any elected office, but a nice person nonetheless.
 

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Masks, ZERO evidence masks do anything to stop the spread.

I believe that you are very aware that this is a false statement.

There is a substantial segment of the population that operates on the principle that reality will conform to what enough people want it to be. Thus if you can get enough people to believe masks don't help that they will cease to work.

Note that while religious thinking increases this it's not only a problem of the right. We see the same thing with different issues from the left.
So, there is in our world a thing called "the Tinkerbell effect". It is not something well understood by a lot or even "many" people.

It is the effect wherein sometimes the geometry of an idea is such that when people believe it, it becomes true as a knock-on effect of the belief.

Regardless of whether this effect spawns actual faeries is subject to debate on what "actual faeries" are (one I'm honestly sad nobody on these forums in all it's years has asked in any of the appropriate forums), it is a case in point that the effect does exist.

The belief that masks are ineffective will make them ineffective because of herd immunity effects: a mask on each face is more effective and an infective person without a mask negates a lot of the effectiveness in any given space.

Of course it's like dieting. Dieting is an effective way to lose weight. It doesn't work when you don't do the work.
Except dieting really isn't an effective way to lose weight. At least not in the long term.
 

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Masks, ZERO evidence masks do anything to stop the spread.

I believe that you are very aware that this is a false statement.

There is a substantial segment of the population that operates on the principle that reality will conform to what enough people want it to be. Thus if you can get enough people to believe masks don't help that they will cease to work.

Note that while religious thinking increases this it's not only a problem of the right. We see the same thing with different issues from the left.
So, there is in our world a thing called "the Tinkerbell effect". It is not something well understood by a lot or even "many" people.

It is the effect wherein sometimes the geometry of an idea is such that when people believe it, it becomes true as a knock-on effect of the belief.

Regardless of whether this effect spawns actual faeries is subject to debate on what "actual faeries" are (one I'm honestly sad nobody on these forums in all it's years has asked in any of the appropriate forums), it is a case in point that the effect does exist.

The belief that masks are ineffective will make them ineffective because of herd immunity effects: a mask on each face is more effective and an infective person without a mask negates a lot of the effectiveness in any given space.

Of course it's like dieting. Dieting is an effective way to lose weight. It doesn't work when you don't do the work.
Except dieting really isn't an effective way to lose weight. At least not in the long term.
Managing input is absolutely vital to weight control. Whether you want to call what I utter "dieting" or "maintaining a diet that is commensurate with your activity level".
 

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I find the concept of a fucktard difficult to grok so I can't be sure, but her behavior seems also compatible with being intelligent and politically motivated.

How about criminal sack of shit or otherwise plague rat to describe Palin?
Without conclusive evidence, I would not describe her in that manner. But she is a bad person.
My friend who taught her how to shoot a shotgun says she is a nice person. A nice person who should not be alllowed within miles of any elected office, but a nice person nonetheless.
I was basing my assessment on the information about her behavior in office (including the use of her position in an improper way); I wasn't saying she wasn't nice to most people privately. But then again, on second thought I probably should have been more skeptical about reports about her. So, I change my assessment to only 'probably a bad person', and might take a closer look in the future, when I have more time.
 

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Neil Young posted a since-deleted letter to his management team and record label demanding that they remove his music from Spotify. “I am doing this because Spotify is spreading fake information about vaccines – potentially causing death to those who believe the disinformation being spread by them,” he wrote. “Please act on this immediately today and keep me informed of the time schedule.”

“I want you to let Spotify know immediately TODAY that I want all my music off their platform,” he continued. “They can have [Joe] Rogan or Young. Not both.” Young is referencing the steady stream of misinformation about vaccines that Joe Rogan has peddled on The Joe Rogan Experience. Last month, 270 doctors, physicians, and science educators signed an open letter asking Spotify to stop spreading Rogan’s baseless claims.
In a world of Eric Claptons, be a Neil Young.
Please don't. Be neither.

Neil Young’s Long Record of Spreading Scientific Misinformation

For his stance, Young is basking in praise as a principled musician willing to sacrifice his own streaming revenue in the name of science, technological progress, and public health.

This is the same Neil Young who in 2015 released an entire album, The Monsanto Years, that’s wall-to-wall songs from an anti-biotechnology point of view.

Young’s anti-GMO rhetoric helped fuel a narrative that made it easy to spread fear and distrust about COVID vaccines, most of which used novel biotechnology methods and some of which use genetic engineering.

A collective amnesia has set in amongst progressives regarding the left’s past pandering to the anti-biotechnology movement. Reactionary luddism—especially around biotechnology—was both politically correct and convenient for progressive celebrity activists. But that was in the “before times.”
 

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Opinion | Republicans like Ron DeSantis keep kowtowing to the MAGA cult — even if it threatens lives - The Washington Post
Republican politicians beholden to the MAGA base spent much of 2020 downplaying the risk of the coronavirus pandemic. In 2021, they turned to throwing sand in the gears of the administration’s lifesaving vaccination program, casting vaccines as an issue of “freedom.” This year, they seem to be gearing up for a campaign to prevent an early victory over the omicron variant.

Consider Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who refused to heed public health experts’ advice in the pre-vaccination era and then hobbled vaccine and mask mandates by penalizing local officials who implemented them. Now, he is sounding nearly as nutty as the defeated former president, who hawked crackpot cures for covid-19 such as “light inside the body” or injections of disinfectant.
Obstructing President Biden's efforts, then calling him a failure -- and an autocrat if he does anything.

I would not be surprised if that was a deliberate policy.
The Post reports, for example, that “Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin on Monday invoked the biblical call to ‘love your neighbor’ as school systems around the state struggled with strong reactions to his ban on local mask mandates, but the Republican also fanned the flames of partisan division in the face of court challenges and protests.” Seven school districts are suing Youngkin over his decision to supersede districts’ directives on masks, which they contend violates the state constitution.

This is plainly pandering to the right-wing base at the expense of students, teachers and other school employees. The Post reports: “Youngkin’s recent position on masks takes a harder line than he did shortly before and after November’s election, when he said he would leave it up to localities whether to impose mask mandates.”
Glenn Youngkin ran as a centrist, much like MD Gov Larry Hogan and MA Gov Charlie Baker, but he seems to have become a hardline MAGAt.
 

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Masks, ZERO evidence masks do anything to stop the spread.

I believe that you are very aware that this is a false statement.

There is a substantial segment of the population that operates on the principle that reality will conform to what enough people want it to be. Thus if you can get enough people to believe masks don't help that they will cease to work.

Note that while religious thinking increases this it's not only a problem of the right. We see the same thing with different issues from the left.
Lol. I read this, and it makes me wish you were self aware.
 

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‘Nightmare Scenario’ book excerpt: Inside the extraordinary effort to save Trump from covid-19 - The Washington Post - "His illness was more severe than the White House acknowledged at the time. Advisers thought it would alter his response to the pandemic. They were wrong."
This article is adapted from “Nightmare Scenario: Inside the Trump Administration’s Response to the Pandemic That Changed History,” which was published June 29 by HarperCollins.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar’s phone rang with an urgent request: Could he help someone at the White House obtain an experimental coronavirus treatment, known as a monoclonal antibody?
That was for Trump when he got the disease in fall 2020.
For months, the president had taunted and dodged the virus, flouting safety protocols by holding big rallies and packing the White House with maskless guests. But just one month before the election, the virus that had already killed more than 200,000 Americans had sickened the most powerful person on the planet.

Trump’s medical advisers hoped his bout with the coronavirus, which was far more serious than acknowledged at the time, would inspire him to take the virus seriously. Perhaps now, they thought, he would encourage Americans to wear masks and put his health and medical officials front and center in the response. Instead, Trump emerged from the experience triumphant and ever more defiant. He urged people not to be afraid of the virus or let it dominate their lives, disregarding that he had had access to health care and treatments unavailable to other Americans.

It was, several advisers said, the last chance to turn the response around. And once the opportunity passed, it was the point of no return.
What a sociopath.
 

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Disappointing news for the authoritarians;

Denmark will end virus restrictions next week and reclassify Covid-19 as a disease that no longer poses a threat to society, even as infections hit a record high. The Nordic country, one of the most vaccinated in the world, won’t extend the pandemic measures beyond Jan. 31, Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said Wednesday. Denmark’s decision on reclassifying the virus dramatically pushes forward an idea that’s emerged recently in Europe -- that it’s time to start thinking about Covid as endemic rather than a pandemic. The easing of curbs also echoes recent moves elsewhere -- including Ireland and the U.K. -- to scale back restrictions amid signs that omicron is less dangerous than earlier variants of the virus. There’s also a sense that restrictions just aren’t able to stop the highly transmissible omicron strain.

Bloomberg

The pandemic is over folks.
 

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In the US, we may be moving to a point where it's endemic and a couple of times a year, many people get vaxxed. Of course, it hasn't settled down completely across the whole country yet. And also in the world, situation in developing countries varies. You'd think there are some factors there such as longevity, obesity, vaccine availability affecting their outcomes, too, but for some countries they may have very little access to vaccinations, making a breeding ground for new variants still. So those new variants may spread again, like how we have different and new flus.
 
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