Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Jimmy Higgins]

The reality is that Loren refuses to accept what I said is true. I don't know why he so freely makes accusations of anti-Semitism.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Oh, starvation has been the leading cause of death for many many years. It's just that we don't care about it unless it happens to Gazians[sic]. 10,000 children die per day due to starvation:

Oh my. Sarcasm about starving Gazans?

One difference is that Gazans are being DELIBERATELY starved. Do you support that Netanyahu policy?

Bullshit. Stop spreading conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

[DrZoidberg]

The reality is that Loren refuses to accept what I said is true. I don't know why he so freely makes accusations of anti-Semitism.

Because it is anti-semitism?

 

[pood]

The reality is that Loren refuses to accept what I said is true. I don't know why he so freely makes accusations of anti-Semitism.

Because it is anti-semitism?

Opposing Netanyahu and his war in Gaza is now redefined as anti-Semitism? How very convenient for the supporters of the Gaza genocide.

 

[laughing dog]

The reality is that Loren refuses to accept what I said is true. I don't know why he so freely makes accusations of anti-Semitism.

Because it is anti-semitism?

Nah, it’s because it makes it easier to avoid the difficult task of actually thinking about the situation.

 

[ZiprHead]

The reality is that Loren refuses to accept what I said is true. I don't know why he so freely makes accusations of anti-Semitism.

Because it is anti-semitism?

Opposing Netanyahu and his war in Gaza is now redefined as anti-Semitism? How very convenient for the supporters of the Gaza genocide.

So now Jews in Israel who oppose the war are anti-semitic??? How does that work?

 

[Harry Bosch]

Oh, starvation has been the leading cause of death for many many years. It's just that we don't care about it unless it happens to Gazians[sic]. 10,000 children die per day due to starvation:

Oh my. Sarcasm about starving Gazans?

One difference is that Gazans are being DELIBERATELY starved. Do you support that Netanyahu policy?

No, I don't support Netanyahu. I don't think that it's possible to completely wipe out Hamas. However, this is hamas's doing. They are too blame. But people don't care about children starving unless they are gazians. 10,000 starve every day. Where are the posts regarding this?

As Swammerdami pointed out, are those deaths part of a direct policy?
Moreover, those who are concerned about starvation in the world can send needed resources that will arrive.

Finally, blaming Hamas for the choices made by the gov’t of Israel is sloppy snd biased thinking. Israel has agency on how they prosecute the war. Hamas started this tragedy snd does its best to egg Israel into acting like cold blooded killers of children and othe noncombatants. But Israel need not help Hamas meet its goal.

Like I said, I'm against Neta's policies. I favor peace. I favor a cease fire that both sides agree to. But clearly, it doesn't appear that Hamas is interested. Maybe there is a chance now that Sinwar is dead...

 

[Swammerdami]

One difference is that Gazans are being DELIBERATELY starved. Do you support that Netanyahu policy?

Bullshit. Stop spreading conspiracy theory nonsense.

Human Rights Watch regards the starvation as deliberate:

Children in Gaza have been dying from starvation-related complications since the Israeli government began using starvation as a weapon of war, a war crime, Human Rights Watch said today. Doctors and families in Gaza described children, as well as pregnant and breastfeeding mothers, suffering from severe malnutrition and dehydration, and hospitals ill-equipped to treat them.
. . .
“The Israeli government’s use of starvation as a weapon of war has proven deadly for children in Gaza,” said Omar Shakir, Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch. “Israel needs to end this war crime, stop this suffering, and allow humanitarian aid to reach all of Gaza unhindered.”
. . .
International humanitarian law prohibits the starvation of civilians as a method of warfare. The Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court provides that intentionally starving civilians by “depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including willfully impeding relief supplies,” is a war crime.

Since the Hamas-led October 7, 2023, attacks in Israel, the Israeli government has deliberately blocked the delivery of aid, food, and fuel into Gaza, while impeding humanitarian assistance and depriving civilians of the means to survive. Israeli officials ordering or carrying out these actions are committing collective punishment against the civilian population and the starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, both of which are war crimes.

A United Nations reporter regards the starvation as deliberate:

The UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food Michael Fakhri has said that the spread of disease and Israel’s “starvation campaign” in Gaza is “killing more people than bombs and bullets”.
. . .
His comments follow his new report to the UN General Assembly last week, in which he detailed how Israel has used starvation in Gaza “with the intent to destroy in whole or in part the Palestinian people”.

“Never in post-war history had a population been made to go hungry so quickly and so completely as was the case for the 2.3 million Palestinians living in Gaza,” Fakhri said.
. . .
It explained that Israel’s destruction of Gaza’s food system, including the poisoning and destruction of agricultural land, and the destruction of ports and fishing vessels served to make the entire population dependent on humanitarian aid.

“In turn, Israel then used humanitarian aid as a political and military weapon to harm and kill the Palestinian people in Gaza,” the report read, referring to the severe restrictions Israel has imposed on humanitarian aid flows to the besieged enclave.

Et cetera.

Bullshit. Stop spreading conspiracy theory nonsense.

Stop denying the war crimes.

 

[pood]

The starvation is clearly deliberate, and as I have noted and linked on a couple of occasions, a high Israeli official said it would be moral to starve 2 million Gazans and Israel would go right ahead and do it but “the world would stop us.” So they are doing it in slow-motion instead. That the U.S. offers arms and money to this ongoing blatant war crime is beyond disgusting.

 

[pood]

Saying or implying that those who oppose Netanyahu’s genocide (it’s not a war — the other side has no army) are anti-Semitic is of course straightforwardly ad hominem, in addition to being a despicable slur. It’s also a wildly successful tactic, used again and again throughout history. Oppose the war in Vietnam? It’s not because you have a good argument, it’s because you’re a Communist yourself, or a Commie sympathizer, or a fellow traveller, or a disgusting hippie.

Oppose Hitler? It’s because you’re a Jew, or a homosexual, or the member of an inferior race, or vermin, or an enemy of the people.

Oppose Trump? It’s because you’re vermin, you’ve got inferior genes, you’re an immigrant, you’re a Marxist maniac, or you’re an enemy of the people.

Oppose Netanyahu’s genocide? It’s because … you get the picture.

 

[laughing dog]

Oh, starvation has been the leading cause of death for many many years. It's just that we don't care about it unless it happens to Gazians[sic]. 10,000 children die per day due to starvation:

Oh my. Sarcasm about starving Gazans?

One difference is that Gazans are being DELIBERATELY starved. Do you support that Netanyahu policy?

No, I don't support Netanyahu. I don't think that it's possible to completely wipe out Hamas. However, this is hamas's doing. They are too blame. But people don't care about children starving unless they are gazians. 10,000 starve every day. Where are the posts regarding this?

As Swammerdami pointed out, are those deaths part of a direct policy?
Moreover, those who are concerned about starvation in the world can send needed resources that will arrive.

Finally, blaming Hamas for the choices made by the gov’t of Israel is sloppy snd biased thinking. Israel has agency on how they prosecute the war. Hamas started this tragedy snd does its best to egg Israel into acting like cold blooded killers of children and othe noncombatants. But Israel need not help Hamas meet its goal.

Like I said, I'm against Neta's policies. I favor peace. I favor a cease fire that both sides agree to. But clearly, it doesn't appear that Hamas is interested. Maybe there is a chance now that Sinwar is dead...

I think there is even less of a chance now that Hamas will agree to peace. Of course, I think that chance has always been epsilon away from zero,

 

[bilby]

Oh, starvation has been the leading cause of death for many many years. It's just that we don't care about it unless it happens to Gazians[sic]. 10,000 children die per day due to starvation:

Oh my. Sarcasm about starving Gazans?

One difference is that Gazans are being DELIBERATELY starved. Do you support that Netanyahu policy?

No, I don't support Netanyahu. I don't think that it's possible to completely wipe out Hamas. However, this is hamas's doing. They are too blame. But people don't care about children starving unless they are gazians. 10,000 starve every day. Where are the posts regarding this?

As Swammerdami pointed out, are those deaths part of a direct policy?

Almost invariably, yes.

The world is awash with food. Far more people suffer health problems due to too much food, than suffer due to too little.

Famine ceased to exist in the absence of war with the end of authoritarian communism in the late C20th, when the Soviet Union collapsed (eliminating her proxies in the developing world), and the Chinese decided to become capitalists (albeit retaining the 'communist' label to save face).

Most famine today (and compared to the mid C20th, there is effectively almost none) is due to religious wars between (or within) Christianity and Islam, often plastered on top of post-colonial tribal wars. Northern Nigeria, South Sudan, Somalia and Yemen are worst affected; War is the sole causative factor.

Since the "Live Aid" famine of the 1980s, Ethiopia's population has tripled, and that country has suffered three droughts as bad as, or worse than, that of the 1980s. But the war is over, and in the absence of war, neither population nor drought was able to trigger famine.

Famine is so closely coupled with war that it no longer makes sense to consider it as a separate problem; The only cure (and the invariably effective cure) for famine, is peace.

 

[Politesse]

Saying or implying that those who oppose Netanyahu’s genocide (it’s not a war — the other side has no army) are anti-Semitic is of course straightforwardly ad hominem, in addition to being a despicable slur. It’s also a wildly successful tactic, used again and again throughout history. Oppose the war in Vietnam? It’s not because you have a good argument, it’s because you’re a Communist yourself, or a Commie sympathizer, or a fellow traveller, or a disgusting hippie.

It also helps mask the actual anti-Semitism which is, in fact, flourishing disgustingly throughout the world right at the moment. Israel sure as hell isn't helping the situation, but they didn't start the fire either. There is real and deadly anti-Semitism in the US and elsewhere, but conflating any criticism of Netanyahu with antisemitism helps it hide in plain sight. In my country only people on the "Left" want to talk about the deadly anti-Semitism that is and always was always attached to the Alt-Right and the crazier wing of the Christian theocrats. Meanwhile, only people on the "Right" want to talk about the genocidal intent that Wahhabist political-religious movements don't much try to hide. And no one does anything at all to actually, you know, combat anti-Semitism, which is a real and growing problem.

 

[Derec]

Saying or implying that those who oppose Netanyahu’s genocide (it’s not a war — the other side has no army)

Hamas may not have an army that fights in uniform and follows the laws of war, but they do have combatants that are organized in units that have commanders. The "Al Qassam Brigades" are organized into five brigades and 30 batallions.

are anti-Semitic is of course straightforwardly ad hominem, in addition to being a despicable slur.

Saying that Jews are committing "genocide" for defending themselves from aggression by Hamas, Hezbollah and other puppets of the Tehran regime is anti-Semitic.

It’s also a wildly successful tactic, used again and again throughout history. Oppose the war in Vietnam? It’s not because you have a good argument, it’s because you’re a Communist yourself, or a Commie sympathizer, or a fellow traveller, or a disgusting hippie.

And yet, a lot of them have been commies and fellow travelers. Just like so many of the Gaza protesters today support Hamas and Hezbollah.
Pro-Palestinian Columbia University group calls for armed resistance: 'violence is the only path'

Oppose Hitler? It’s because you’re a Jew, or a homosexual, or the member of an inferior race, or vermin, or an enemy of the people.

Better analogy would be to accuse the Allies of "genocide" because a lot of German civilians died during WWII. Gaza City is looking no worse than Berlin in May 1945.

Oppose Netanyahu’s genocide? It’s because … you get the picture.

What do you think Bibi should have realistically done? Do you think he should not have waged war on Hamas and Hezbollah even as they keep attacking Israel? Do you think he should have released Palestinian terrorists (including murderers serving life sentences) in exchange for hostages? What bright ideas does pood have that would both be effective and would not be considered "genocide" by Israel-haters?

 

[Derec]

Famine is so closely coupled with war that it no longer makes sense to consider it as a separate problem; The only cure (and the invariably effective cure) for famine, is peace.

How much attention is the famine in Sudan receiving? No Jews, no news.

Now, I do agree that peace is an effective cure for famines. But Hamas has made no overtures that they are willing to give up power and release hostages to end this war. If anything, they are doubling down on what they have been doing for the last year - steal any humanitarian supplies, sell them at huge markups and blame Israel.

 

[Arctish]

Saying or implying that those who oppose Netanyahu’s genocide (it’s not a war — the other side has no army)

Hamas may not have an army that fights in uniform and follows the laws of war, but they do have combatants that are organized in units that have commanders. The "Al Qassam Brigades" are organized into five brigades and 30 batallions.

are anti-Semitic is of course straightforwardly ad hominem, in addition to being a despicable slur.

Saying that Jews are committing "genocide" for defending themselves from aggression by Hamas, Hezbollah and other puppets of the Tehran regime is anti-Semitic.

No one here has said Jews, as in all Jews everywhere, are committing genocide.

No one here has said that of Israeli Jews for defending themselves. I and others have said it of the IDF and government of Israel due to specific tactics, policies, and rules of engagement that violate human rights, approved and championed by extreme right-wing racists and bigots in Netanyahu's coalition, and Netanyahu himself.

And no one here has denied the IDF and the government of Israel should, and indeed must, defend Israel, including waging war against organizations like Hamas that attack its citizens.

If you think you can demonstrate otherwise, please do so.

 

[Tigers!]

Oh, starvation has been the leading cause of death for many many years. It's just that we don't care about it unless it happens to Gazians. 10,000 children die per day due to starvation:

Do you mean 10,000 Gazan children are dying each day fom starvation or 10,000 world-wide daily?

We also don't care if it happens to Sudanese too. That civil war is > 2 years with no end in sight. I am waiting for the marchers who will demand peace in Sudan.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

IDF destroys an entire village in Lebanon.

Very interesting explosion pattern. Looks almost like a fuse leading up to the big boom. What weapon looks like that? Certainly nothing I'm aware of--a bomb starts with the biggest boom. But it's perfectly reasonable for secondaries. There are some "villages" in Lebanon that are basically nothing but Hezbollah rocket storage--I've never paid attention to names but this certainly seems like it might be an example of such.

Cluster munition.

Can hit an area, won't make that big boom at the end. That was something they hit, not something they dropped.

 

[Tigers!]

And no one here has denied the IDF and the government of Israel should, and indeed must, defend Israel, including waging war against organizations like Hamas that attack its citizens.

I am glad you have said that.
Could you please tell us what Israel can do, in self-defence of course, that would not have people "crying war crimes", "disproportionate response" etc.?
It seems at that anything Israel does brings out those calls.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Due to wars, hunger (incl. starvation etc.) is now one of the world's leading causes of death. I'll attach some graphics about the food situation in Gaza.

Yeah, Hamas takes it and sells it at high prices. Short of complete occupation how do you propose Israel stop it? It's part of how Hamas controls the population.

And if the food situation is so bad why do people look like they have enough to eat? Look at Sudan to see actual starvation.

(I'll bet the pro-genocide Infidels show up and repeat the canard that Hamas is stealing available food. What do I win?)

And why do you think that is in any way a rebuttal to the fact that they do??

Note that your "source" is Al Jazeera--owned by Qatar which is one of the countries behind the violence. Credible??

Or consider their utter lies in trying to show Israel guilty of the hospital bombing that was quickly determined to be a rocket misfire? They showed video that didn't even show what happened as "evidence".

And while you're at it how about addressing the fact that there's an awful lot of food just sitting there because the UN won't pay the drivers the market rate, nor provide any security for them. The private shipments are making it through so it's certainly possible.