George Floyd murderer's trial

[Metaphor]

Is she inciting violence. No. BUT is she saying the right things? Not completely.

If Waters' statements are not incitement, then nothing Trump said was incitement either.

I don't completely disagree that a comparison can be made... in the case of Trump, it was the insurrection attempt. In Water's case it was.... wait, what was incited?

Incitement is the act of encouraging somebody to commit a crime. Waters made her comments in the context of multiple nights of illegal violence having already transpired.

 

[Elixir]

Now... appeal apppeal appeal ...

Maybe there’s still time to gratify the lynchmobs, eh?

 

[Elixir]

I don't completely disagree that a comparison can be made... in the case of Trump, it was the insurrection attempt. In Water's case it was.... wait, what was incited?

Incitement is the act of encouraging somebody to commit a crime. Waters made her comments in the context of multiple nights of illegal violence having already transpired.

Where’s the crime, bub? You can’t retroactively “incite”.

 

[ZiprHead]

I don't completely disagree that a comparison can be made... in the case of Trump, it was the insurrection attempt. In Water's case it was.... wait, what was incited?

Incitement is the act of encouraging somebody to commit a crime. Waters made her comments in the context of multiple nights of illegal violence having already transpired.

What part of her comment made you think she's inciting criminal activity?

 

[Angry Floof]

I understand filing multiple charges in such cases but I’m not sure why/how one can be found culpable 3 times in the same death.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m glad they found him guilty. I just am not sure I understand the particulars of being found guilty of multiple counts of murder of the same individual.

If the fullest extent is given, all together those three add up to 24 to 34 years if consecutive, about 10 if concurrent.

 

[Ford]

A man murders another man live on camera, and it only took slightly less than a year to convict the murderer.

Progress, I guess.

 

[Angry Floof]

A man murders another man live on camera, and it only took slightly less than a year to convict the murderer.

Progress, I guess.

It's like accountability might sort of almost be a thing again maybe? Dare I hope?

 

[Toni]

I understand filing multiple charges in such cases but I’m not sure why/how one can be found culpable 3 times in the same death.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m glad they found him guilty. I just am not sure I understand the particulars of being found guilty of multiple counts of murder of the same individual.

If the fullest extent is given, all together those three add up to 24 to 34 years if consecutive, about 10 if concurrent.

I think 2nd degree murder carries a max sentence of 40 years.

 

[Metaphor]

I don't completely disagree that a comparison can be made... in the case of Trump, it was the insurrection attempt. In Water's case it was.... wait, what was incited?

Incitement is the act of encouraging somebody to commit a crime. Waters made her comments in the context of multiple nights of illegal violence having already transpired.

Where’s the crime, bub? You can’t retroactively “incite”.

Not all incitement laws require someone else to commit the crime being incited (though most do). But I was not referring to the violence of previous nights as what Waters incited, but the potential for violence (and its escalation - "more confrontational") on future nights.

I don't believe in incitement laws in the first place. I simply believe that if the fluff statements Donald Trump made reflected either Trump's intent to incite or his reckless indifference to it, then all the more would that apply to Waters' language.

 

[Toni]

A man murders another man live on camera, and it only took slightly less than a year to convict the murderer.

Progress, I guess.

I don't have any problem at all with the amount of time it took to investigate, bring charges, and try Derek Chauvin.

Let's not forget that this is not over. Not only has Chauvin not been sentenced (in about 8 weeks) but there are 3 other defendants to see their day in court. The one that I really hope goes down is Tou Thao who was so smug, smirking as the crowd begged for Floyd's life. The other two I feel a bit sorry for as they were both brand new officers and at least one made an effort early on to get Chauvin to ease up. Not enough, not by far but not so cold blooded and unfeeling as the others.

 

[Angry Floof]

I understand filing multiple charges in such cases but I’m not sure why/how one can be found culpable 3 times in the same death.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m glad they found him guilty. I just am not sure I understand the particulars of being found guilty of multiple counts of murder of the same individual.

If the fullest extent is given, all together those three add up to 24 to 34 years if consecutive, about 10 if concurrent.

I think 2nd degree murder carries a max sentence of 40 years.

Okay, yeah. I was going off of a paused news video I was looking at. I truly hope he gets the max and spends his miserable life in endless appeals. Fuck that guy.

 

[Patooka]

A man murders another man live on camera, and it only took slightly less than a year to convict the murderer.

Progress, I guess.

It's like accountability might sort of almost be a thing again maybe? Dare I hope?

Because I'm a cynical prick, I expect the narrative from Carlson et al will be ,"You got your pound of flesh now shut the fuck up about police accountability and qualified immunity - it's been fixed". You know, kinda like racism can't possibly exist because of Martin Luther King having a dream. Or fiscal irresponsibility got fixed once Bernie Madoff went to jail. Or Mission Accomplished because Saddam Hussein is no longer in power. Those type of sweeping generalisations that are totally accurate.

EDIT: My second prediction will be rhetorical hyperbole in the lines of, "Now that Chauvin has been found guilty, the elitist left are going to be emboldened on their war against justice and law enforcement. They are going to go after police even harder and won't stop until no cops exist in America. And you know this to be true because all leftists are millionaires living in California in their gated communities and private security. Having no police won't affect their lives but it will affect yours. In order to secure our existence and the future of our children we must fight against this far left antifa agenda that Biden and The Squad are pushing."

 

[Patooka]

I don't believe in incitement laws in the first place. I simply believe that if the fluff statements Donald Trump made reflected either Trump's intent to incite or his reckless indifference to it, then all the more would that apply to Waters' language.

Except that Trump's impeachment (which I'll reiterate was short sighted) took into account Trump's incendiary language from November 10th to January 6th. All of it. You are comparing that to a couple of sentences in a two minute monologue that so far has not produced any unintended consequences. You understand how they are two different things, right?

 

[Ford]

A man murders another man live on camera, and it only took slightly less than a year to convict the murderer.

Progress, I guess.

It's like accountability might sort of almost be a thing again maybe? Dare I hope?

I hope so. It is a bit frustrating that the pace of accountability is so slow. I was a victim of a crime back in 2016. Drunk driver plowed into half a dozen cars including mine. The cops knew he was impaired that night. The accident made all the local news channels. Seven cars, ten victims, two car fires, a major freeway shut down for hours, and a blood test on the driver confirmed it not long after. Dozens of witnesses. Last week I was talking to a trainer at my new job and she said "you were in that? My son witnessed that accident...I have to tell him I met you!" Open and shut case.

He was charged with nine counts of felony criminal endangerment and one count of aggravated assault. I had a "victim advocate" from the county, got the 42 page police report, followed the process and tried to show up to hearings (without any success) and eventually waited months on end until he finally copped a plea to the one aggravated assault charge. His jail sentence was only slightly longer than the process it took to actually send him to the pokey. It's maddening.

 

[Metaphor]

I don't completely disagree that a comparison can be made... in the case of Trump, it was the insurrection attempt. In Water's case it was.... wait, what was incited?

Incitement is the act of encouraging somebody to commit a crime. Waters made her comments in the context of multiple nights of illegal violence having already transpired.

What part of her comment made you think she's inciting criminal activity?

Pretty much her entire statement (from CNN)

Waters told reporters while in a Minneapolis suburb that recently experienced another killing of a Black man -- Daunte Wright -- by police, that if the jury didn't find Chauvin guilty of murder "we've got to stay on the street. We get more active, we've got to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business."

So Waters actually named a 'triggering event' for her incitement (the jury verdict) and told people who were already looting and burning to get more 'active', 'confrontational' - to escalate their actions.

If I was naive to the circumstances and somebody had asked me to read Trump's speech vs Waters' comments and ask which was closer to 'incitement', it seems like a slam dunk that it was Waters' comment.

 

[abaddon]

I understand filing multiple charges in such cases but I’m not sure why/how one can be found culpable 3 times in the same death.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m glad they found him guilty. I just am not sure I understand the particulars of being found guilty of multiple counts of murder of the same individual.

If the fullest extent is given, all together those three add up to 24 to 34 years if consecutive, about 10 if concurrent.

I think 2nd degree murder carries a max sentence of 40 years.

He's been found guilty of all 3 charges.
He'll be convicted of the worst one, 2nd degree murder.
He faces a max of 40 years for that.
Sentencing guidelines recommend 12.5 years.
If there are "aggravating factors" like a child witnessed it or he had priors, he might get sentenced to a longer time.
He has no priors.

Source

 

[Derec]

Told you guys the fix was in. The local jury did not want their city to burn down because #BLMers and Antifas got mad at the verdict.
And Maxine Waters muddying the jury pool was BS too.
So there should be an appeal.

I should have made a bet with Riley. He was sure there'd be an acquittal.

 

[ZiprHead]

What part of her comment made you think she's inciting criminal activity?

Pretty much her entire statement (from CNN)

Waters told reporters while in a Minneapolis suburb that recently experienced another killing of a Black man -- Daunte Wright -- by police, that if the jury didn't find Chauvin guilty of murder "we've got to stay on the street. We get more active, we've got to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business."

So Waters actually named a 'triggering event' for her incitement (the jury verdict) and told people who were already looting and burning to get more 'active', 'confrontational' - to escalate their actions.

If I was naive to the circumstances and somebody had asked me to read Trump's speech vs Waters' comments and ask which was closer to 'incitement', it seems like a slam dunk that it was Waters' comment.

Confrontation
Confrontation is an element of conflict wherein parties confront one another, directly engaging one another in the course of a dispute between them. A confrontation can be at any scale, between any number of people, between entire nations or cultures, or between living things other than humans.

It would be a tough call to claim she advocated violence.

 

[Derec]

If I was naive to the circumstances and somebody had asked me to read Trump's speech vs Waters' comments and ask which was closer to 'incitement', it seems like a slam dunk that it was Waters' comment.

You don't get it. Such things are ok if you are a leftist.

 

[ZiprHead]

I think 2nd degree murder carries a max sentence of 40 years.

Okay, yeah. I was going off of a paused news video I was looking at. I truly hope he gets the max and spends his miserable life in endless appeals. Fuck that guy.

He's been found guilty of all 3 charges.
He'll be convicted of the worst one, 2nd degree murder.
He faces a max of 40 years for that.
Sentencing guidelines recommend 12.5 years.
If there are "aggravating factors" like a child witnessed it or he had priors, he might get sentenced to a longer time.
He has no priors.

Source

There were children in the small crowd who witnessed what he did.