Derec
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They are moving in the wrong direction since 10/7.How do you feel about the Kingdom of Jordan?
Why?
They are moving in the wrong direction since 10/7.How do you feel about the Kingdom of Jordan?
What does your question refer to?How do you feel about the Kingdom of Jordan?There is no perfect good in the real world.I don't agree with full isolation. I just don't see any good guys in the Gaza/Hesbo/Israel situation.
But Israel is many orders of magnitude more good than the evils of Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and the theocracy in power in Tehran.
There is no question that we should wholeheartedly support Israel. Not only because of Israel, but also because their enemies are the enemies of the western civilization in general.
Well Jordan did allow Palestians into Jordan after the six day war. Then, the pals tried to overthrow the Jordanian government. So yea, they haven’t been welcome since.What does your question refer to?How do you feel about the Kingdom of Jordan?There is no perfect good in the real world.I don't agree with full isolation. I just don't see any good guys in the Gaza/Hesbo/Israel situation.
But Israel is many orders of magnitude more good than the evils of Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and the theocracy in power in Tehran.
There is no question that we should wholeheartedly support Israel. Not only because of Israel, but also because their enemies are the enemies of the western civilization in general.
The Kingdom of Jordan violently assaulted Israel back in the 40s. And refuse to allow Palestinian Muslims to be Jordanian citizens.
Because you know what those Palestinians are like.
Jordan's monarchy has played a big role in screwing the future of the Muslims in Palestine. And they don't plan to change.
Israel is extremely convenient for Islamic authoritarians, especially the violent ones. If it weren't for Israel, they'd have to explain to their people why life in Islamic tyrannies is so awful (without a scapegoat.)
Tom
True, because even when it is spelked out, you still manage to get it wrong.We know because we do not have to have everything spelled out for us.You know that for certain because any reference to 10/7 is missing?
Nope. You are the one refusing to see it just because they use thinly veiled euphemisms like "Resistance" when they mean "Hamas".True, because even when it is spelked out, you still manage to get it wrong.
Derec, he is having a lend of you. Don't fall for it.Nope. You are the one refusing to see it just because they use thinly veiled euphemisms like "Resistance" when they mean "Hamas".True, because even when it is spelked out, you still manage to get it wrong.
Btw, you even misspelled "spelled". Weak.
Feeling better yet?Nope. You are the one refusing to see it just because they use thinly veiled euphemisms like "Resistance" when they mean "Hamas".True, because even when it is spelked out, you still manage to get it wrong.
Btw, you even misspelled "spelled". Weak.
At least you are honest about your antisemitism.
I wish I could support their leader too. It would make a lot of things easier on a lot of people. Pretty much everyone but Bibi.There is no question that we should wholeheartedly support Israel.
They are moving in the wrong direction since 10/7.How do you feel about the Kingdom of Jordan?
Why?
What does your question refer to?How do you feel about the Kingdom of Jordan?There is no perfect good in the real world.I don't agree with full isolation. I just don't see any good guys in the Gaza/Hesbo/Israel situation.
But Israel is many orders of magnitude more good than the evils of Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and the theocracy in power in Tehran.
There is no question that we should wholeheartedly support Israel. Not only because of Israel, but also because their enemies are the enemies of the western civilization in general.
The Kingdom of Jordan violently assaulted Israel back in the 40s.
And refuse to allow Palestinian Muslims to be Jordanian citizens.
Because you know what those Palestinians are like.
Jordan's monarchy has played a big role in screwing the future of the Muslims in Palestine. And they don't plan to change.
Is life in Jordan awful? Or are you painting with the broadest brush you could find?Israel is extremely convenient for Islamic authoritarians, especially the violent ones. If it weren't for Israel, they'd have to explain to their people why life in Islamic tyrannies is so awful (without a scapegoat.)
Tom
He is saying the US and the West should just unconditionally surrender to any invader. Technically this would prevent wars, if the defender always surrendered to an aggressor.An isolationist US would result in much less wars, not more.
BULLSHIT.
Who said they should? I certainly didn't. The reality is that Hamas can not be demoted by anyone but the Arab powers. Israeli military force has failed to do the impossible.There may not be perfectly good guys but that does not mean the two sides are in any way equivalent.Don't have to have good guys. We need to try and stop the killing.
One side (Israel) is defending itself against aggression from the other side (Hamas, Hezbos, Iran).
We need to stop the killing, I agree, but not at any price.
Hamas certainly should not be rewarded for starting this war.Any deal brokered would need to have the Palestinian interests at equal with the Israelis.
I'm talking about Saudi Arabia and the Arab world. They are the key to peace in that area.Israel-haters will always look up to the Tehran theocracy. And allies like Russia do not care.something that would make the Iranian theocracy isolated (more so) globally in rejecting it.
Well, that is a hand wave.That's the nature of coalition governments.Of course, the other issue is that the hard liners that control more policy in Israel than the percentage of the vote they receive should allow, also don't care about the Palestinians and have their own agenda.
Hamas can not be taken out in Gaza. They must be dismantled by the Arab nations. This insistence that just a few more bombs and bullets will take care of Hamas is deluded.The peace plan will be challenging, and will not be possible until Hamas is taken out in Gaza anyway and Hezbollah is substantially weakened.Which leads to what makes this a difficult peace plan, current leadership on both sides do not want peace. The people are much more likely to want stability, but they aren't in charge.
What I don't understand is how you seem utterly incapable of separating Palestine from Hamas.A ceasefire with Hamas will only kick the can down the road. And how can you rebuild Gaza if another war is right around the corner. After all, Hamas has vowed to repeat 10/7 over and over again until Israel is defeated.
Your confusion was understandable because the English language sucks. However, if you read Harry Bosch's post within the context of his posts for the decade plus you've posted here, clearly he wasn't condoning the Hamas attack! There is no possible way you could have reasonably thought Harry Bosch would support such a thing, if you took their posting history into context.No, he did use a wrong word, hence my confusion over what he meant.He could have used different wording, but he didn't use the wrong word. His context was pretty clear if you read the post in whole instead of dissecting it.
It is the exact same thing. You took one statement and couldn't derive the accurate meaning of said statement. Ambiguity and inconsistency are the blood of the English Language.Yes, the sketch provided intentionally ambiguous statements to throw off the contestants.Because you didn't read the words in my post. I'll all cap it this time. CONTEXT.
Not really the same as Harry's wrong word choice alas.
You are beating the carrion of a dead horse. No one in any thread here justifies the actions of Hamas or wants more dead Israelis. But that does not stop the usual suspects from their slanderous "conclusions".Your confusion was understandable because the English language sucks. However, if you read Harry Bosch's post within the context of his posts for the decade plus you've posted here, clearly he wasn't condoning the Hamas attack! There is no possible way you could have reasonably thought Harry Bosch would support such a thing, if you took their posting history into context.No, he did use a wrong word, hence my confusion over what he meant.He could have used different wording, but he didn't use the wrong word. His context was pretty clear if you read the post in whole instead of dissecting it.
It is the exact same thing. You took one statement and couldn't derive the accurate meaning of said statement. Ambiguity and inconsistency are the blood of the English Language.Yes, the sketch provided intentionally ambiguous statements to throw off the contestants.Because you didn't read the words in my post. I'll all cap it this time. CONTEXT.
Not really the same as Harry's wrong word choice alas.
You are beating the carrion of a dead horse. No one in any thread here justifies the actions of Hamas or wants more dead Israelis. But that does not stop the usual suspects from their slanderous "conclusions".
You are beating the carrion of a dead horse. No one in any thread here justifies the actions of Hamas or wants more dead Israelis. But that does not stop the usual suspects from their slanderous "conclusions".
But people keep minimizing the effects of Islamic terrorists and authoritarians, like Hamas and Hezbollah and Jordan and Iran.
Like blaming Israel for the massive deaths of Gazans who were used brutally for human shields.
To quote someone - Fuck that noise.Israel made a successful, targeted, attack on a violent and implacable enemy force of Islamic terrorists. Near zero civilians hurt much less killed. Almost 3000 terrorists in a big hurt. Somehow, that's still Israeli misbehavior.
Fuck that noise.
Tom