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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

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So Ukraine has about 6 weeks to start making some gains. Even if the momentum may be shifting slowly, that's a difficult task.

What is the difference between a fake referendum now, a fake referendum six weeks from now, a fake referendum six weeks ago or a fake referendum six months from now? Any such referendum will be moot once Ukraine pushes out the Rashists anyway.
The referendum is just for show to Russian people. The key is annexation. When that happens, Russia will claim that they're not just conducting a "special military operation" abroad, but defending holy Russian land from invaders. Legally that means they can use conscripts, and contract soldiers cannot refuse to serve in Ukraine. It will make mobilization efforts easier, regardless of whether Russia will continue the current covert mobilization, or go for the real thing and start forcing reservists to the front. I suspect that threats of using nuclear weapons are also going to be amped up. Russification measures in the occupied territory will become even more drastic than they are now.

All of these things will mean harder time for Ukraine, that still has a long way to go despite recent victories.
 

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Someone should tell Crazy Pelozy that Armenia does not have border with Russia.
And deep down, Russia does not really care if Armenia leaves Russian protection.
Also, Armenia does not have access to sea :)
US neocons are loosing it.
 

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Someone should tell Crazy Pelozy that Armenia does not have border with Russia.
Where did she say it did?
And deep down, Russia does not really care if Armenia leaves Russian protection.
That's the problem. Russia isn't protecting Armenia as it had agreed to do.
Also, Armenia does not have access to sea :)
US neocons are loosing it.
Who said it did?

There's someone losing it, but they're sitting behine a keyboard in Russia.
 

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Once Putler invaded, the country united. The Ukranian family staying with my in-laws in Poland were very pro-Putin. They are Russian speakers. Dislike Ukrainian culture. No more. They hate Russia now.
You want me to believe you that ukrainian refugees went to Poland and told polish that they were pro-putin ? :) And now became pro-Ukraine? after what?

Yeah right, I believe you :)

Sorry man, your garbage is not what actually happening.
What is happening is pro-ukrainian ukrainians are turning pro-russian and they do it on fucking camera! not on twitter with fake names and pictures.
 

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Russia seems to go ahead with annexation via fake "referendums":


Dmitry Medvedev, a former president who is currently deputy chairman of the Security Council, suggested before the announcements that the outcome of such votes would be irreversible and give Moscow - which has the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world - carte blanche to defend what it would regard as legally its own territory.

"Encroachment onto Russian territory is a crime which allows you to use all the forces of self–defence," Medvedev said in a post on Telegram. "This is why these referendums are so feared in Kyiv and the West."

No future Russian leader would be able to constitutionally reverse their outcome, he added.

Vyacheslav Volodin, the head of Russia's State Duma, the lower house of parliament, said that his chamber would support the two regions joining Russia if they voted to do so.

This is pretty much what I predicted over a month ago in August (although the date was pushed back due to poor progress in the battlefield):

Russia is planning to have a fake referendum to annex to territories in Russia on September 11th. After that, it will argue that attacks on occupied territories are attacks against Russia. The purpose of the circus is to make a domestic justification for using nukes or mobilization. Even if no other country recognizes the annexation, it will raise the bar considerably. And even if there wasn't a referendum, the purges and forced Russification of the occupied territories are effective. Already Ukrainian currency is forbidden, schools are forced to teach children only in Russian and according to Russian curriculum, and police forces are replaced by people brought from Russia.

So Ukraine has about 6 weeks to start making some gains. Even if the momentum may be shifting slowly, that's a difficult task.
Yeah they are, terribly feared.
So like that Chechen fuckstick, Kadyrov, Medvedev is running his mouth now too. Let's see who else does during Putin's silence.

Go ahead. Set up a horseshit puppet government if anyone's got the guts to stand the positions. They will be Ukrainian target #1. And they'll have the fire control solution to do it.
 

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Once Putler invaded, the country united. The Ukranian family staying with my in-laws in Poland were very pro-Putin. They are Russian speakers. Dislike Ukrainian culture. No more. They hate Russia now.
You want me to believe you that ukrainian refugees went to Poland and told polish that they were pro-putin ? :) And now became pro-Ukraine? after what?

Yeah right, I believe you :)

Sorry man, your garbage is not what actually is happening.
What is happening is pro-ukrainian ukrainians are turning pro-russian and they do it on fucking camera! not on twitter with fake names and pictures.
And as usual, no proof offered.
:LD:
 

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Once Putler invaded, the country united. The Ukranian family staying with my in-laws in Poland were very pro-Putin. They are Russian speakers. Dislike Ukrainian culture. No more. They hate Russia now.
You want me to believe you that ukrainian refugees went to Poland and told polish that they were pro-putin ? :) And now became pro-Ukraine? after what?

Yeah right, I believe you :)

Sorry man, your garbage is not what actually is happening.
What is happening is pro-ukrainian ukrainians are turning pro-russian and they do it on fucking camera! not on twitter with fake names and pictures.
YEAH!!! PRO-RUSSIA MAN!!! That is why the invasion... incursion... day trip (?)... went so smoothly and Ukraine is now an annexed part of Russia and Zelensky flee'd to an island enclave somewhere in Oceania.

However, there was this other poster who goes by barbos here that said the Ukrainians were too far gone and brainwashed against Russia and that there was little to be done to deal with that. You should talk to that barbos person barbos.
 

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Once Putler invaded, the country united. The Ukranian family staying with my in-laws in Poland were very pro-Putin. They are Russian speakers. Dislike Ukrainian culture. No more. They hate Russia now.
You want me to believe you that ukrainian refugees went to Poland and told polish that they were pro-putin ? :) And now became pro-Ukraine? after what?

Yeah right, I believe you :)

Sorry man, your garbage is not what actually happening.
What is happening is pro-ukrainian ukrainians are turning pro-russian and they do it on fucking camera! not on twitter with fake names and pictures.
Ok, show us. And since you don't believe refugees in Poland, then you have no problem with excluding fake propaganda interviews conducted in Russia. So just one person, still located in Ukrainian part of Ukraine, or a western country. Interviewed on camera, with his own name. And proof that he was "pro-ukrainian" before, and a Putin ass-kisser now.

Go on. We're waiting. You have such good record of always backing up your claims with evidence, so don't let us down now. :cautious:
 

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Once Putler invaded, the country united. The Ukranian family staying with my in-laws in Poland were very pro-Putin. They are Russian speakers. Dislike Ukrainian culture. No more. They hate Russia now.
You want me to believe you that ukrainian refugees went to Poland and told polish that they were pro-putin ? :) And now became pro-Ukraine? after what?

Yeah right, I believe you :)

Sorry man, your garbage is not what actually is happening.
What is happening is pro-ukrainian ukrainians are turning pro-russian and they do it on fucking camera! not on twitter with fake names and pictures.
And as usual, no proof offered.
:LD:
I posted it long time ago.
You on the other hand never post any proof, twitter bots are not proof.
 

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Who said it did?
I did not say she did. I implied that Crazy Pelozy wants to open second front on Russia
using a country which:
1. Does not have a border with Russia
2. completely land locked
3. Russia does not really care about them anymore.
:cheer:YAY!!!
 

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Go on. We're waiting. You have such good record of always backing up your claims with evidence, so don't let us down now.
Do you fucking even understand the difference between garbage twitter posts and actual man talking to a camera, while in Ukraine?
 

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Once Putler invaded, the country united. The Ukranian family staying with my in-laws in Poland were very pro-Putin. They are Russian speakers. Dislike Ukrainian culture. No more. They hate Russia now.
You want me to believe you that ukrainian refugees went to Poland and told polish that they were pro-putin ? :) And now became pro-Ukraine? after what?

Yeah right, I believe you :)

Sorry man, your garbage is not what actually is happening.
What is happening is pro-ukrainian ukrainians are turning pro-russian and they do it on fucking camera! not on twitter with fake names and pictures.
And as usual, no proof offered.
:LD:
I posted it long time ago.
Since you brought it up again, post it again.
 

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Who said it did?
I did not say she did. I implied that Crazy Pelozy wants to open second front on Russia
using a country which:
1. Does not have a border with Russia
2. completely land locked
3. Russia does not really care about them anymore.
:cheer:YAY!!!
What are you yaying about? You know nothing about the subject to YAY.
Truth to be told, Azerbajdzhan is "Ukraine" in this story - they lost some territory to Armenia, now they got it back.
So why double standards? Why do you support Armenian "aggressors"?
I thought you were all about country borders.

This Armenia business shows that neocons are desperate.
 

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Once Putler invaded, the country united. The Ukranian family staying with my in-laws in Poland were very pro-Putin. They are Russian speakers. Dislike Ukrainian culture. No more. They hate Russia now.
You want me to believe you that ukrainian refugees went to Poland and told polish that they were pro-putin ? :) And now became pro-Ukraine? after what?

Yeah right, I believe you :)

Sorry man, your garbage is not what actually happening.
What is happening is pro-ukrainian ukrainians are turning pro-russian and they do it on fucking camera! not on twitter with fake names and pictures.
Righto! Ukraine is totally divided 50-50. They are nearly in a civil war fighting each other. Thank goodness for the Russian troops keeping the peace. Those dang Nato meanies are causing so much strife. And yet somehow, this divided weak nation is kicking the shit out of the Russian troops in their country. How is this happening! It's just a mystery!
 

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Go on. We're waiting. You have such good record of always backing up your claims with evidence, so don't let us down now.
Do you fucking even understand the difference between garbage twitter posts and actual man talking to a camera, while in Ukraine?
Do you understand the difference between providing evidence, and just typing off whatever bullshit you've been fed by Russian propaganda? If the video is posted on this forum before, you should have no trouble finding a link.

(Also, I'm still waiting for you to concede that you were wrong about the Kharkiv city hall video being fake.)
 

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I forget the exact timeline.

There was a pro Putin leader of Ukraine and ethnic Russians who wanted autononmy.

A coup kicked out the pro Putin leader.

Ukraine appears to be yet another example of an arbitarry national baoudaies being drawn on a map without regard for ethnic and political differnces in the boundary.
 

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Once Putler invaded, the country united. The Ukranian family staying with my in-laws in Poland were very pro-Putin. They are Russian speakers. Dislike Ukrainian culture. No more. They hate Russia now.
You want me to believe you that ukrainian refugees went to Poland and told polish that they were pro-putin ? :) And now became pro-Ukraine? after what?

Yeah right, I believe you :)

Sorry man, your garbage is not what actually happening.
What is happening is pro-ukrainian ukrainians are turning pro-russian and they do it on fucking camera! not on twitter with fake names and pictures.
Righto! Ukraine is totally divided 50-50. They are nearly in a civil war fighting each other. Thank goodness for the Russian troops keeping the peace. Those dang Nato meanies are causing so much strife. And yet somehow, this divided weak nation is kicking the shit out of the Russian troops in their country. How is this happening! It's just a mystery!
There is no Ukraine fighting war with Russia anymore, it's long gone.
It's NATO manned with ukrainians (and 30% western mercenaries) and its their asses being blown.
 

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Who said it did?
I did not say she did. I implied that Crazy Pelozy wants to open second front on Russia
using a country which:
1. Does not have a border with Russia
2. completely land locked
3. Russia does not really care about them anymore.
:cheer:YAY!!!
What are you yaying about? You know nothing about the subject to YAY.
Truth to be told, Azerbajdzhan is "Ukraine" in this story - they lost some territory to Armenia, now they got it back.
So why double standards? Why do you support Armenian "aggressors"?
I thought you were all about country borders.

This Armenia business shows that neocons are desperate.
The present crisis started in May when Azerbaijiani soldiers crossed the border at took Armenian territory. You are completely backwards.
 

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Once Putler invaded, the country united. The Ukranian family staying with my in-laws in Poland were very pro-Putin. They are Russian speakers. Dislike Ukrainian culture. No more. They hate Russia now.
You want me to believe you that ukrainian refugees went to Poland and told polish that they were pro-putin ? :) And now became pro-Ukraine? after what?

Yeah right, I believe you :)

Sorry man, your garbage is not what actually happening.
What is happening is pro-ukrainian ukrainians are turning pro-russian and they do it on fucking camera! not on twitter with fake names and pictures.
Righto! Ukraine is totally divided 50-50. They are nearly in a civil war fighting each other. Thank goodness for the Russian troops keeping the peace. Those dang Nato meanies are causing so much strife. And yet somehow, this divided weak nation is kicking the shit out of the Russian troops in their country. How is this happening! It's just a mystery!
There is no Ukraine fighting war with Russia anymore, it's long gone.
It's NATO manned with ukrainians (and 30% western mercenaries) and its their asses being blown.
Oh very interesting! The above is what the Russian public is being told to justify the war?
 

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I forget the exact timeline.

There was a pro Putin leader of Ukraine and ethnic Russians who wanted autononmy.

A coup kicked out the pro Putin leader.
He was pro-himself and anti-lingerie, then pro-lingerie women kicked him out.

Ukraine appears to be yet another example of an arbitarry national baoudaies being drawn on a map without regard for ethnic and political differnces in the boundary.
Yep, That's what Putin, Romanian Foreign Minister, Orban and now you are saying.
 

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Who said it did?
I did not say she did. I implied that Crazy Pelozy wants to open second front on Russia
using a country which:
1. Does not have a border with Russia
2. completely land locked
3. Russia does not really care about them anymore.
:cheer:YAY!!!
What are you yaying about? You know nothing about the subject to YAY.
Truth to be told, Azerbajdzhan is "Ukraine" in this story - they lost some territory to Armenia, now they got it back.
So why double standards? Why do you support Armenian "aggressors"?
I thought you were all about country borders.

This Armenia business shows that neocons are desperate.
The present crisis started in May when Azerbaijiani soldiers crossed the border at took Armenian territory. You are completely backwards.
Present crisis was over already. You and crazy Peloyzy are too late.
 

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Who said it did?
I did not say she did. I implied that Crazy Pelozy wants to open second front on Russia
using a country which:
1. Does not have a border with Russia
2. completely land locked
3. Russia does not really care about them anymore.
:cheer:YAY!!!
What are you yaying about? You know nothing about the subject to YAY.
Truth to be told, Azerbajdzhan is "Ukraine" in this story - they lost some territory to Armenia, now they got it back.
So why double standards? Why do you support Armenian "aggressors"?
I thought you were all about country borders.

This Armenia business shows that neocons are desperate.
The present crisis started in May when Azerbaijiani soldiers crossed the border at took Armenian territory. You are completely backwards.
Whoever started this round of fighting, it is yet anohter long running cultural and ethnic conflict.

Two sides who can not compromise and end conflict.
 

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Who said it did?
I did not say she did. I implied that Crazy Pelozy wants to open second front on Russia
using a country which:
1. Does not have a border with Russia
2. completely land locked
3. Russia does not really care about them anymore.
:cheer:YAY!!!
What are you yaying about? You know nothing about the subject to YAY.
Truth to be told, Azerbajdzhan is "Ukraine" in this story - they lost some territory to Armenia, now they got it back.
So why double standards? Why do you support Armenian "aggressors"?
I thought you were all about country borders.

This Armenia business shows that neocons are desperate.
The present crisis started in May when Azerbaijiani soldiers crossed the border at took Armenian territory. You are completely backwards.
Present crisis was over already. You and crazy Peloyzy are too late.
The Azerbaijianis are still there and border clashes continue.
Renewed clashes in August 2022 resulted in three people being killed, with Russia accusing Azerbaijan of breaking the ceasefire.[160] On the morning of 13 September 2022, large-scale[161] clashes erupted between Azerbaijani and Armenian troops.[162] The Armenian Defense Ministry said Azerbaijan had attacked Armenian positions near the cities of Vardenis, Goris, Sotk and Jermuk with artillery and heavy weapons.[163][164] The Azerbaijani Defence Ministry said that Armenia had staged a "large-scale provocations" near the Dashkasan, Kalbajar, and Lachin regions.[165][166] At least 49 Armenian soldiers and 50 Azeri military personnel were killed.[167][168]
 

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Who said it did?
I did not say she did. I implied that Crazy Pelozy wants to open second front on Russia
using a country which:
1. Does not have a border with Russia
2. completely land locked
3. Russia does not really care about them anymore.
:cheer:YAY!!!
What are you yaying about? You know nothing about the subject to YAY.
Truth to be told, Azerbajdzhan is "Ukraine" in this story - they lost some territory to Armenia, now they got it back.
So why double standards? Why do you support Armenian "aggressors"?
I thought you were all about country borders.

This Armenia business shows that neocons are desperate.
The present crisis started in May when Azerbaijiani soldiers crossed the border at took Armenian territory. You are completely backwards.
Whoever started this round of fighting, it is yet anohter long running cultural and ethnic conflict.

Two sides who can not compromise and end conflict.
A useless tautology.
 

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Who said it did?
I did not say she did. I implied that Crazy Pelozy wants to open second front on Russia
using a country which:
1. Does not have a border with Russia
2. completely land locked
3. Russia does not really care about them anymore.

All she did was visit the country, and Russian snowflakes melt into a puddle of paranoid fear. Just be thankful that Russia doesn't have a border with Armenia. You don't need to invade it right away to restore your lost empire.
 

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Go on. We're waiting. You have such good record of always backing up your claims with evidence, so don't let us down now.
Do you fucking even understand the difference between garbage twitter posts and actual man talking to a camera, while in Ukraine?
Mike Lindell speaks in front of cameras in the US saying the election was stolen... and Trump will be put back in charge *insert 10th date*.
 

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Go on. We're waiting. You have such good record of always backing up your claims with evidence, so don't let us down now.
Do you fucking even understand the difference between garbage twitter posts and actual man talking to a camera, while in Ukraine?
Mike Lindell speaks in front of cameras in the US saying the election was stolen... and Trump will be put back in charge *insert 10th date*.
Yes, Mike Lindell is an actual person, crazy but an actual person, unlike ukrainian twitter bots.
 

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Yes, Mike Lindell is an actual person, crazy but an actual person, unlike ukrainian twitter bots.
You do realise that with the...less than accurate stuff you have spewed in this thread most people believe Lindell is your spirit animal, right?
 

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Once Putler invaded, the country united. The Ukranian family staying with my in-laws in Poland were very pro-Putin. They are Russian speakers. Dislike Ukrainian culture. No more. They hate Russia now.
You want me to believe you that ukrainian refugees went to Poland and told polish that they were pro-putin ? :) And now became pro-Ukraine? after what?

Yeah right, I believe you :)

Sorry man, your garbage is not what actually happening.
What is happening is pro-ukrainian ukrainians are turning pro-russian and they do it on fucking camera! not on twitter with fake names and pictures.
Righto! Ukraine is totally divided 50-50. They are nearly in a civil war fighting each other. Thank goodness for the Russian troops keeping the peace. Those dang Nato meanies are causing so much strife. And yet somehow, this divided weak nation is kicking the shit out of the Russian troops in their country. How is this happening! It's just a mystery!
There is no Ukraine fighting war with Russia anymore, it's long gone.
It's NATO manned with ukrainians (and 30% western mercenaries) and its their asses being blown.
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To anyone who thinks barbos is an extremist, consider what Russian propaganda feeds its people on a daily basis:



This is where barbos, and millions of Russians like him, get their information from. Sure he says he doesn't watch television, but instead gets his information from the internet, but if that's true he only seems to follow Russian youtubers who 100% agree with Putin's propaganda. He's being fed the same warmongering horse shit through a different channel.

Russian propagandists have geared up the genocidal talk of total destruction of Ukraine in recent weeks. Repetition is their tool of normalizing the idea of striking civilian targets and desensitizing the Russian public to possible nuclear holocaust. After all, if you're openly advocating bombing a country of 44 million people to 19th century because you don't like what they post on twitter, then what's a few nukes here or there?
 

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Putin's speech was postponed to wednesday. It could be due to technical difficulties getting the nuclear warheads to work. I wouldn't rule out anything when it comes to that madman.
 

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To anyone who thinks barbos is an extremist,
Barbos knowingly and willingly choses his information silo/echo chamber. I'm sure some Russians only have limited media access and he's not one of them. To assume all "western" media (FOX, Gateway Pundit, Crikey, BBC, Reuters, DW, Al Jazeera etc) are in cahoots to provide a unified false narrative like Barbos believes requires a deliberate choice in lack of awareness and/or a desire to argue in bad faith.

Simply put, I'm certain it is impossible to make such pro Putin arguments when faced with a variety of media sources from numerous forumers across the globe without engaging in intellectual dishonesty. Being deliberately obnoxious and refusing to back up claims reinforces that certainty.
 

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Putin's speech was postponed to wednesday. It could be due to technical difficulties getting the nuclear warheads to work. I wouldn't rule out anything when it comes to that madman.
More realistically though he'll announce mobilization.

Besides, US intelligence seems pretty good at predicting what Russia will do, and they're saying that. So if Russia was preparing a nuclear strike, I think we'd hear about it in advance.

(yes I know I'm just talking to myself here...)
 

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Putin's speech was postponed to wednesday. It could be due to technical difficulties getting the nuclear warheads to work. I wouldn't rule out anything when it comes to that madman.
More realistically though he'll announce mobilization.

Besides, US intelligence seems pretty good at predicting what Russia will do, and they're saying that. So if Russia was preparing a nuclear strike, I think we'd hear about it in advance.

(yes I know I'm just talking to myself here...)
On the TV debte fro,]m Russia that payed over here one of peole siad if it is as Putin said there should be full scale mobilization.

We have Neo-Cons, they have Neo-Soviets.

I expeect we do get information from inside Russia, but then I'm ptobably talking to myself.

That s why Trump with his affinity for Putin is really trialing when he took classified material. The saying is sources and methods.
 

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Malinda 🇺🇸 🇺🇦 🇵🇱 🇨🇦 on Twitter: "🇺🇦 Armed Forces of Ukraine are storming Liman At this moment, the city is being stormed. “The Armed Forces of Ukraine again began to storm Liman in two directions - from the west and north-west,” write Russian military correspondents. (pic link)" / Twitter

Nothing further, and I've been watching Twitter intently.

Russo Ukranian War Updates on Twitter: "🇷🇺 🇺🇦 A #Russian T-72B3 battle tank was hit by a #Ukrainian ATGM strike outside of the town of #Lysychansk. Video via @Osinttechnical (vid link)" / Twitter

ZMiST on Twitter: "💪Ukrainian forces have liberated the village of Bilohorivka, in the Donetsk region. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are getting closer to Lysychans'k. (vid link)" / Twitter

Maciej Urbaniak on Twitter: "@War_Mapper The interesting thing is that Ukrainian SOF seem to be moving freely on the allegedly Russian controlled territory. They seems to have entered Kreminna and Svatove number of times. Most likely recon but still, shows how weak Russian defences and control of the area is." / Twitter

Baltic nations close borders to Russians over Ukraine war - ABC News - "Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania have closed their borders to most Russians in response to the wide domestic support in Russia for the war in Ukraine"
Poland’s interior minister, Mariusz Kaminski, signed regulations Monday that will put the central European nation's war-related ban on Russian travelers into effect on Sept. 26. Poland, which borders Russia’s Kaliningrad exclave, still has tight restrictions on foreign visitors remaining from the COVID-19 pandemic.
 

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While we in the west like to revel in Ukrainian victories in the Northern front, the situation in Kherson is still dire. Russia seems to be making progress at restoring bridges over Nova Kakhovka dam:



Of course Ukraine can just hit it again. But if there are multiple sections, and the canal is filled with dirt and gravel, low-yield M31 rockets that HIMARS uses are not going to make much of a dent. On the plus side, there's still a curved part of the bridge over the dam itself (not visible in these pictures) that can be targeted and that's harder to fix, but there might be a way around it over the railroad tracks.

If Russia can restore some of the logistics over the Dnipro river this way, together with ferries, Ukraine could lose the initiative and be pushed back. And if Ukraine can't kick Russia to the other side of Dnipro, it will eventually lose the entire coastline.
 
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To anyone who thinks barbos is an extremist, consider what Russian propaganda feeds its people on a daily basis:



This is where barbos, and millions of Russians like him, get their information from. Sure he says he doesn't watch television, but instead gets his information from the internet, but if that's true he only seems to follow Russian youtubers who 100% agree with Putin's propaganda. He's being fed the same warmongering horse shit through a different channel.

Russian propagandists have geared up the genocidal talk of total destruction of Ukraine in recent weeks. Repetition is their tool of normalizing the idea of striking civilian targets and desensitizing the Russian public to possible nuclear holocaust. After all, if you're openly advocating bombing a country of 44 million people to 19th century because you don't like what they post on twitter, then what's a few nukes here or there?

It makes him more of a dupe or lackey than an extremist.
 

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Putin announces "partial" mobilization:


KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday announced a partial mobilization in Russia as the war in Ukraine reaches nearly seven months and Moscow loses ground on the battlefield. Putin also warned the West that “it’s not a bluff” that Russia would use all the means at its disposal to protect its territory.

The total number of reservists drafted in the partial mobilization is 300,000, officials said.

(...)

Putin said he has signed a decree on the partial mobilization, which is due to start on Wednesday.

“We are talking about partial mobilization, that is, only citizens who are currently in the reserve will be subject to conscription, and above all, those who served in the armed forces have a certain military specialty and relevant experience,” Putin said.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said in a televised interview Wednesday that conscripts and students won’t be mobilized — only those with relevant combat and service experience will be.
I suspect most of them will be chosen so that Putin's middle-class supporters in Moscow and St. Petersburg won't be affected. Russian people probably don't have the guts to fight back, as long as Putin keeps the numbers small and only increases the number gradually.

It's also ironic that he blames the west for "nuclear blackmail" (which nobody in the US or NATO is doing), and in the same breath engages in nuclear blackmail:
Putin accused the West in engaging in “nuclear blackmail” and noted “statements of some high-ranking representatives of the leading NATO states about the possibility of using nuclear weapons of mass destruction against Russia.”

“To those who allow themselves such statements regarding Russia, I want to remind you that our country also has various means of destruction, and for separate components and more modern than those of NATO countries and when the territorial integrity of our country is threatened, to protect Russia and our people, we will certainly use all the means at our disposal,” Putin said.

He added: “It’s not a bluff.”
:rolleyes:

Anyway, this is bad news for Ukraine, but it was obvious that Russia was going to mobilize eventually anyway and the fact that it didn't do it until now has given Ukraine time to react. Now the grace period is coming to a close. The west needs to ramp up training and delivery of weapons asap to counter the increase in numbers.
 

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If twitter is to be believed, the actual text of the mobilization decree doesn't limit it to just reservists. Anyone can get drafted. Pretty convenient, if you want to get rid of anti-war activists or dissidents: just send them to Ukraine to be cannon fodder. Or maybe their children.
 

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Considering how he main line troops performed, I don't see that reservists and conscripts are going t0 do any better.

I read a book on he Battle Of Stalingrad. They were short of rifles. In an attack if you did nt have a rifle you ran along and picked one up when somebody got shot. The battle in the east was one of attrition. No finesse or tactics, the mass attack.

For the Roman empresses when facing political problems at home the paradigm was find an old enemy to attack.


Like Hitler it appears Putin will destroy his country rather than accept defeat.

From bios that have been broadcast Putin s probaly steeped in WWII and Russian history, and sees himself as in the line of Russian conquerors.

I'd bet he sees Ukraine like WWII.


The Battle of Kursk was a major World War II Eastern Front engagement between the forces of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union near Kursk in the southwestern USSR during late summer 1943; it ultimately became the largest tank battle in history.

The battle began with the launch of the German offensive Operation Citadel (German: Unternehmen Zitadelle), on 5 July, which had the objective of pinching off the Kursk salient with attacks on the base of the salient from north and south simultaneously. After the German offensive stalled on the northern side of the salient, on 12 July the Soviets commenced their Kursk Strategic Offensive Operation with the launch of Operation Kutuzov (Russian: Кутузов) against the rear of the German forces on the same side. On the southern side, the Soviets also launched powerful counterattacks the same day, one of which led to a large armoured clash, the Battle of Prokhorovka. On 3 August, the Soviets began the second phase of the Kursk Strategic Offensive Operation with the launch of Operation Polkovodets Rumyantsev (Russian: Полководец Румянцев) against the German forces on the southern side of the salient.

The Germans hoped to weaken the Soviet offensive potential for the summer of 1943 by cutting off and enveloping the forces that they anticipated would be in the Kursk salient.[33] Hitler believed that a victory here would reassert German strength and improve his prestige with his allies, whom he thought were considering withdrawing from the war.[34] It was also hoped that large numbers of Soviet prisoners would be captured to be used as slave labour in the German armaments industry.[35] The Soviet government had foreknowledge of the German intentions, provided in part by British intelligence's Tunny intercepts. Aware months in advance that the attack would fall on the neck of the Kursk salient, the Soviets built a defence in depth designed to wear down the German armoured spearhead.[36] The Germans delayed the offensive while they tried to build up their forces and waited for new weapons,[37][38][39] giving the Red Army time to construct a series of deep defensive belts[40] and establish a large reserve force for counter-offensives.[41]

The battle was the final strategic offensive that the Germans were able to launch on the Eastern Front. Because the Allied invasion of Sicily began during the battle, Adolf Hitler was forced to divert troops training in France to meet the Allied threat in the Mediterranean, rather than using them as a strategic reserve for the Eastern Front.[42] Hitler canceled the offensive at Kursk after only a week, in part to divert forces to Italy.[43] Germany's extensive losses of men and tanks ensured that the victorious Soviet Red Army enjoyed the strategic initiative for the remainder of the war. The Battle of Kursk was the first time in the Second World War that a German strategic offensive was halted before it could break through enemy defences and penetrate to its strategic depths.[44][45] Though the Red Army had succeeded in winter offensives previously, their counter-offensives after the German attack at Kursk were their first successful summer offensives of the war.[46]
 

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Hungarian delegation member addressing UN meeting, in ...... russian.
His russian is actually very very good. He has slight georgian accent, weird.



Australians are emigrating to Russia:

Her russian is very cute.
 
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