How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

In other news. Russia banned internet phone calls to regular phones (land and mobile)
You may ask how is that relevant to this Ukraine business? Well, most of these scum calls come from Ukraine where they call russian pensioners, make them send all their money and then make them do shit like setting government shit on fire, blowing up banks and other shit.
To be fair Russia has such call centers too, but they (unsurprisingly) scam people in other countries and do it for money only.
Recently FSB raided few such call centers in Moscow. These places are huge - 500 people from all over the world were scamming their respective countries.
They also plan to ban messenger voice calls too, at least from abroad. Video calls are still OK.

 

[ZiprHead]

Russia-linked cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland ‘was loaded with spying equipment’

<em>Eagle S</em>, the Russia-linked tanker suspected of damaging an underwater electricity cable on Christmas Day, was kitted out with special transmitting and receiving devices that were used to monitor naval activity, according to a source with direct involvement in the ship, which has since...

www.lloydslist.com

Russia seems determined to provoke NATO into war.

You need to work on your Russian.

NATO Vows To Bolster Baltic Presence Amid Suspected Undersea Sabotage

NATO said it would bolster its presence in the Baltic Sea after undersea power lines and Internet cables were damaged by suspected sabotage believed carried out by vessels belonging to Russia’s so-called “shadow fleet.”

www.rferl.org

NATO seems determined to provoke Russia into war.

I'm not understanding this? Russia does something bad to NATO members. NATO responds for its own protection but it's NATO doing the provocation.

How does that work???

 

[Harry Bosch]

Russia-linked cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland ‘was loaded with spying equipment’

<em>Eagle S</em>, the Russia-linked tanker suspected of damaging an underwater electricity cable on Christmas Day, was kitted out with special transmitting and receiving devices that were used to monitor naval activity, according to a source with direct involvement in the ship, which has since...

www.lloydslist.com

Russia seems determined to provoke NATO into war.

You need to work on your Russian.

NATO Vows To Bolster Baltic Presence Amid Suspected Undersea Sabotage

NATO said it would bolster its presence in the Baltic Sea after undersea power lines and Internet cables were damaged by suspected sabotage believed carried out by vessels belonging to Russia’s so-called “shadow fleet.”

www.rferl.org

NATO seems determined to provoke Russia into war.

I'm not understanding this? Russia does something bad to NATO members. NATO responds for its own protection but it's NATO doing the provocation.

How does that work???

I’m hoping that TV was being sarcastic. Almost certain that he was.

 

[barbos]

I cited a lot of papers where Deep State think tanks literally spelled words "Provoke Russia"
You all "crickets" it of course.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Russia-linked cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland ‘was loaded with spying equipment’

<em>Eagle S</em>, the Russia-linked tanker suspected of damaging an underwater electricity cable on Christmas Day, was kitted out with special transmitting and receiving devices that were used to monitor naval activity, according to a source with direct involvement in the ship, which has since...

www.lloydslist.com

Russia seems determined to provoke NATO into war.

You need to work on your Russian.

NATO Vows To Bolster Baltic Presence Amid Suspected Undersea Sabotage

NATO said it would bolster its presence in the Baltic Sea after undersea power lines and Internet cables were damaged by suspected sabotage believed carried out by vessels belonging to Russia’s so-called “shadow fleet.”

www.rferl.org

NATO seems determined to provoke Russia into war.

I'm not understanding this? Russia does something bad to NATO members. NATO responds for its own protection but it's NATO doing the provocation.

How does that work???

I’m hoping that TV was being sarcastic. Almost certain that he was.

I was. Sorry. Maybe I should take it down a notch. I just hate posting from the outset that it is sarcasm.

 

[ZiprHead]

Russia-linked cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland ‘was loaded with spying equipment’

<em>Eagle S</em>, the Russia-linked tanker suspected of damaging an underwater electricity cable on Christmas Day, was kitted out with special transmitting and receiving devices that were used to monitor naval activity, according to a source with direct involvement in the ship, which has since...

www.lloydslist.com

Russia seems determined to provoke NATO into war.

You need to work on your Russian.

NATO Vows To Bolster Baltic Presence Amid Suspected Undersea Sabotage

NATO said it would bolster its presence in the Baltic Sea after undersea power lines and Internet cables were damaged by suspected sabotage believed carried out by vessels belonging to Russia’s so-called “shadow fleet.”

www.rferl.org

NATO seems determined to provoke Russia into war.

I'm not understanding this? Russia does something bad to NATO members. NATO responds for its own protection but it's NATO doing the provocation.

How does that work???

I’m hoping that TV was being sarcastic. Almost certain that he was.

I'm hoping the same but it was far from clear to me.

 

[ZiprHead]

I cited a lot of papers where Deep State think tanks literally spelled words "Provoke Russia"
You all "crickets" it of course.

I don't believe you. You almost never cite anything.

 

[ZiprHead]

Russia-linked cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland ‘was loaded with spying equipment’

<em>Eagle S</em>, the Russia-linked tanker suspected of damaging an underwater electricity cable on Christmas Day, was kitted out with special transmitting and receiving devices that were used to monitor naval activity, according to a source with direct involvement in the ship, which has since...

www.lloydslist.com

Russia seems determined to provoke NATO into war.

You need to work on your Russian.

NATO Vows To Bolster Baltic Presence Amid Suspected Undersea Sabotage

NATO said it would bolster its presence in the Baltic Sea after undersea power lines and Internet cables were damaged by suspected sabotage believed carried out by vessels belonging to Russia’s so-called “shadow fleet.”

www.rferl.org

NATO seems determined to provoke Russia into war.

I'm not understanding this? Russia does something bad to NATO members. NATO responds for its own protection but it's NATO doing the provocation.

How does that work???

I’m hoping that TV was being sarcastic. Almost certain that he was.

I was. Sorry. Maybe I should take it down a notch. I just hate posting from the outset that it is sarcasm.

Cool. My misinterpretation.

 

[SLD]

Russia-linked cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland ‘was loaded with spying equipment’

<em>Eagle S</em>, the Russia-linked tanker suspected of damaging an underwater electricity cable on Christmas Day, was kitted out with special transmitting and receiving devices that were used to monitor naval activity, according to a source with direct involvement in the ship, which has since...

www.lloydslist.com

Russia seems determined to provoke NATO into war.

You need to work on your Russian.

NATO Vows To Bolster Baltic Presence Amid Suspected Undersea Sabotage

NATO said it would bolster its presence in the Baltic Sea after undersea power lines and Internet cables were damaged by suspected sabotage believed carried out by vessels belonging to Russia’s so-called “shadow fleet.”

www.rferl.org

NATO seems determined to provoke Russia into war.

How is a defensive reaction a determination to provoke war? Are you seriously suggesting that NATO should simply allow Russia to attack infrastructure in NATO countries without consequence?

 

[bilby]

I cited a lot of papers where Deep State think tanks literally spelled words "Provoke Russia"
You all "crickets" it of course.

I don't believe you. You almost never cite anything.

Anyone who unironically uses the phrase "Deep State" can be dismissed as a kook instantly.

It saves a lot of pointless effort; Such kooks are utterly impervious to reason, logic, or facts.

 

[barbos]

How is a defensive reaction a determination to provoke war?

There is nothing defensive about NATO expansion in violation of even respective countries wishes, not to mention explicit ignoring of their own promises and other side concerns, NATO is an utterly corrupt and aggressive organization.

 

[barbos]

Anyone who unironically uses the phrase "Deep State" can be dismissed as a kook instantly.

That's exactly what deep state would say.
Deep State is absolutely 100% real thing and Jeffrey Sachs is not a kook. The kooks are the ones who deny Seep State existance.

 

[barbos]

I cited a lot of papers where Deep State think tanks literally spelled words "Provoke Russia"
You all "crickets" it of course.

I don't believe you. You almost never cite anything.

I almost never cite the same thing twice. But I did cite what I said i cited. You ignored it because you had nothing to say.
It's a classical usual suspects tactics.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Russia-linked cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland ‘was loaded with spying equipment’

<em>Eagle S</em>, the Russia-linked tanker suspected of damaging an underwater electricity cable on Christmas Day, was kitted out with special transmitting and receiving devices that were used to monitor naval activity, according to a source with direct involvement in the ship, which has since...

www.lloydslist.com

Russia seems determined to provoke NATO into war.

You need to work on your Russian.

NATO Vows To Bolster Baltic Presence Amid Suspected Undersea Sabotage

NATO said it would bolster its presence in the Baltic Sea after undersea power lines and Internet cables were damaged by suspected sabotage believed carried out by vessels belonging to Russia’s so-called “shadow fleet.”

www.rferl.org

NATO seems determined to provoke Russia into war.

How is a defensive reaction a determination to provoke war? Are you seriously suggesting that NATO should simply allow Russia to attack infrastructure in NATO countries without consequence?

It was sarcasm that if there were any hostile escalation from NATO bolstering its presence in the Baltic, Russia would blame this presence, not the reason for it, the cable damage.
Actually not so much sarcasm as I was trying to think like a Russian.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I cited a lot of papers where Deep State think tanks literally spelled words "Provoke Russia"
You all "crickets" it of course.

I don't believe you. You almost never cite anything.

I almost never cite the same thing twice. But I did cite what I said i cited. You ignored it because you had nothing to say.
It's a classical usual suspects tactics.

The problem is that you either don’t cite or you cite unreliable sources. I’m not going to open a cite that I don’t trust. Secondly who cares what some random person says. I like sources that do deep research and have verified sources. Your ‘cites’ rarely do.

 

[barbos]

I cited a lot of papers where Deep State think tanks literally spelled words "Provoke Russia"
You all "crickets" it of course.

I don't believe you. You almost never cite anything.

I almost never cite the same thing twice. But I did cite what I said i cited. You ignored it because you had nothing to say.
It's a classical usual suspects tactics.

The problem is that you either don’t cite or you cite unreliable sources. I’m not going to open a cite that I don’t trust. Secondly who cares what some random person says. I like sources that do deep research and have verified sources. Your ‘cites’ rarely do.

Trusted sources like BBC and CNN, MSNBC right?
Regardless, I actually cite sources you trust.
When BBC staged chemical attack in Syria I cited them and explained how to read their "reporting" correctly.
When MSNBC was pushing Alfa Bank BS I cited them and end explained why they are actually lying.

 

[TV and credit cards]

I cited a lot of papers where Deep State think tanks literally spelled words "Provoke Russia"
You all "crickets" it of course.

I don't believe you. You almost never cite anything.

I almost never cite the same thing twice. But I did cite what I said i cited. You ignored it because you had nothing to say.
It's a classical usual suspects tactics.

The problem is that you either don’t cite or you cite unreliable sources. I’m not going to open a cite that I don’t trust. Secondly who cares what some random person says. I like sources that do deep research and have verified sources. Your ‘cites’ rarely do.

Trusted sources like BBC and CNN, MSNBC right?
Regardless, I actually cite sources you trust.
When BBC staged chemical attack in Syria I cited them and explained how to read their "reporting" correctly.
When MSNBC was pushing Alfa Bank BS I cited them and end explained why they are actually lying.

Citations that support your position. As close as you come are lengthy YouTube videos usually from some rando with little to no credibility.
To you and a few select others who like to use YouTube as reference material, I and I suspect others have no intention of sitting through some hour long video wondering if the individual is ever going to say anything of substance. This is what is beautiful about the written word, one can skim through anecdotes and other filler and locate the substance. YouTube, not so much.

 

[Elixir]

I cited a lot of papers where Deep State think tanks literally spelled words "Provoke Russia"
You all "crickets" it of course.

I don't believe you. You almost never cite anything.

I almost never cite the same thing twice. But I did cite what I said i cited. You ignored it because you had nothing to say.
It's a classical usual suspects tactics.

The problem is that you either don’t cite or you cite unreliable sources. I’m not going to open a cite that I don’t trust. Secondly who cares what some random person says. I like sources that do deep research and have verified sources. Your ‘cites’ rarely do.

Trusted sources like BBC and CNN, MSNBC right?
Regardless, I actually cite sources you trust.
When BBC staged chemical attack in Syria I cited them and explained how to read their "reporting" correctly.
When MSNBC was pushing Alfa Bank BS I cited them and end explained why they are actually lying.

Citations that support your position. As close as you come are lengthy YouTube videos usually from some rando with little to no credibility.
To you and a few select others who like to use YouTube as reference material, I and I suspect others have no intention of sitting through some hour long video wondering if the individual is ever going to say anything of substance. This is what is beautiful about the written word, one can skim through anecdotes and other filler and locate the substance. YouTube, not so much.

A feature, not a bug.
Post an hour long piece of crap video that nobody in their right mind would ever wade through, and claim that it PROVES that the US invaded Russia, and that Putin is the rightful owner of everything not already claimed by China.
Who is going to argue? When someone points out the facts, just refer to the video and repeat that it proves them wrong.

 

[barbos]

Citations that support your position.

I cite BBC, MSNBC and CNN.
And they absolutely support my position. You just need to have IQ>75

 

[barbos]

To you and a few select others who like to use YouTube as reference material

I use Youtube channles as aggregators. All my channels use CNN/BBC/MSNBC and US congress as reference material.