January 6 Hearings Live

[Loren Pechtel]

You really underestimate the paranoia involved in the system's design. We can't even connect the sub's Missile Control Computer to tge same sub's Radio Room, to make secure targeting updates idiot proof, because the decision people at SSP are so adamant about MCC being unhackable. Similar neasures surround the release codes in the isolated basement computers that generate and send them.
When they made the movie, Crimson Tide, the Navy updated the system by installing a safe that no one on board has the combination to.
Even if Eric Trump was somehow appointed CO of the Rhode Island, and Trump told him directly to launch nukes, he'd be physically incapable without the rest of the approval process agreeing to the justification for launch.
And those guys really want to avoid war crimes and their impact on post-service job prospects.

Yeah, "murdered a billion assorted foreigners" looks pretty bad on your permanent record; If it's followed up with "...leading to a retaliatory strike that killed 200 million Americans", you're really going to struggle to get an interview.

Even the GOP is unlikely to let you run with the "did they die of themonuclear bombardment, or did they have pre-existing consitions, and merely die with thermonuclear bombardment?" excuse.

Nah, they died by arson.

 

[Elixir]

You really underestimate the paranoia involved in the system's design. We can't even connect the sub's Missile Control Computer to tge same sub's Radio Room, to make secure targeting updates idiot proof, because the decision people at SSP are so adamant about MCC being unhackable. Similar neasures surround the release codes in the isolated basement computers that generate and send them.
When they made the movie, Crimson Tide, the Navy updated the system by installing a safe that no one on board has the combination to.
Even if Eric Trump was somehow appointed CO of the Rhode Island, and Trump told him directly to launch nukes, he'd be physically incapable without the rest of the approval process agreeing to the justification for launch.
And those guys really want to avoid war crimes and their impact on post-service job prospects.

Yeah, "murdered a billion assorted foreigners" looks pretty bad on your permanent record; If it's followed up with "...leading to a retaliatory strike that killed 200 million Americans", you're really going to struggle to get an interview.

Even the GOP is unlikely to let you run with the "did they die of themonuclear bombardment, or did they have pre-existing consitions, and merely die with thermonuclear bombardment?" excuse.

Nah, they died by arson.

Antifadidit.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Antifa, or....

 

[lpetrich]

MTG did it again.

40 Republicans vote against Greene motion | TheHill

They’ve complained that these unexpected votes, which do not appear on the House schedule, have disrupted constituent meetings and congressional hearings, and have no purpose other than gumming up the floor.

“I’m just tired of it. We’re doing this every day, and there’s no point. So I’m just done playing,” Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), a Greene critic, told The Hill last week.

Roll Call 71 | ADJOURN - Mar 10, 2021, 10:07 AM | 117th Congress, 1st Session
D: N 195, nv 25
R: Y 149, N 40, nv 22
Total: Y 149, N 235, nv 45

With previous votes:

• 24 - Feb 3 - RN = 0
• 33 - Feb 24 - RN = 0
• 38 - Feb 25 - RN = 2
• 56 - Mar 3 - RN = 18
• 71 - Mar 10 - RN = 40

She's pissing off her fellow Republicans more and more.


Marjorie Taylor Greene and Freedom Caucus members force delay on votes for non-controversial legislation - CNNPolitics

Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia and several members of the House Freedom Caucus made plans Monday night to ask for a roll call vote on a series of suspension bills.

The move forced House Democrats to delay votes on 13 non-controversial pieces of legislation. These types of measures that are generally passed with wide bipartisan support either through voice vote or unanimous consent. Forcing a roll call vote on each measure would've taken up to 10 hours to pass the bills because of Covid restrictions in place in the House of Representatives.

Among the bills being considered were Congressional Gold Medal awards for members of the Capitol Police Force and the Washington Metropolitan Police Department.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There is a ceiling to this though. 139 Republicans voted against certification of the votes in one or two states during the Electoral College mess. That is a supermajority of the Republican Party.

 

[ZiprHead]

So QAnon Betty is trying to prove congress is a waste of time by wasting time.

 

[TomC]

So QAnon Betty is trying to prove congress is a waste of time by wasting time.

I'm not sure. But here's what I'm seeing.

A Democrat president is trying to repair the damage left by the previous, Republican, administration. The TeaParty Republicans go into obstruction mode, trying to keep damaging the American people so that they have problems they can blame on "those Democrats!".

MTG and the Freedom Caucus didn't invent this. Such TeaPartiers did the same thing while Obama was trying to pull us out of the Bush Recession.

Unfortunately, the Party of Lincoln is reduced to causing as much damage as possible to keep people voting to return them to power. Low information people.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

There is a ceiling to this though. 139 Republicans voted against certification of the votes in one or two states during the Electoral College mess. That is a supermajority of the Republican Party.

Is that a ceiling or a floor?
I get a sense that Trump's toxicity is starting to really bother some Republicans who were fine with it until he started trying to take all their donations. This could turn out to be a truly popcorn-worthy turn of the screw.

 

[lpetrich]

Trump's own Defense secretary says he was responsible for Capitol riot | TheHill

Former acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller says in a forthcoming interview that former President Trump's speech at a "Stop the Steal" rally on Jan. 6 was to blame for the deadly Capitol riot later that day.

“Would anybody have marched on the Capitol, and tried to overrun the Capitol, without the president’s speech? I think it’s pretty much definitive that wouldn’t have happened,” Miller said while speaking with Vice on Showtime.

Miller served as Trump's final Defense chief, filling the top Pentagon post from November until Trump left office in January. Miller previously headed up the National Counterterrorism Center last year.

I agree, though that speech was only part of it. Many of the attackers had prepared for the event for some weeks before. But if Trump had any objection to those plans, he didn't voice any.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

So QAnon Betty is trying to prove congress is a waste of time by wasting time.

QBall Betty is gonna fade. Count on it.

Trump's own Defense secretary says he was responsible for Capitol riot | TheHill

Former acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller says in a forthcoming interview that former President Trump's speech at a "Stop the Steal" rally on Jan. 6 was to blame for the deadly Capitol riot later that day.

“Would anybody have marched on the Capitol, and tried to overrun the Capitol, without the president’s speech? I think it’s pretty much definitive that wouldn’t have happened,” Miller said while speaking with Vice on Showtime.

Miller served as Trump's final Defense chief, filling the top Pentagon post from November until Trump left office in January. Miller previously headed up the National Counterterrorism Center last year.

I agree, though that speech was only part of it. Many of the attackers had prepared for the event for some weeks before. But if Trump had any objection to those plans, he didn't voice any.

One thing the Racketeer said to the Georgia investigator was how important the 6th was, and that they needed to do something by that time.

 

[lpetrich]

GOP Sen. Ron Johnson says he never felt threatened during Jan. 6 Capitol attack
He's R-WI

“And mainly because I knew that even though those thousands of people that were marching the Capitol were trying to pressure people like me to vote the way they wanted me to vote, I knew those were people that loved this country, that truly respect law enforcement, would never do anything to break a law, and so I wasn’t concerned," Johnson told The Joe Pags Show, which airs nationally from WOAI in San Antonio, Texas.

"Now had the tables been turned, now Joe this will get me in trouble, had the tables been turned and President Trump won the election and those were tens of thousands of Black Lives Matter and Antifa protesters, I might have been a little concerned.”

Attacking cops and threatening to murder Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence -- what does he think about that? Did he really expect that mob to spare him?

Johnson, a staunch Trump supporter, has recently been given the nickname "RonAnon" - based on the convoluted and baseless QAnon conspiracies - for spreading conspiracy theories about the attack.

In February, after the Senate acquitted former President Donald Trump for inciting the riot in his second impeachment trial, he told another conservative radio talk show that the Jan. 6 attack "didn’t seem like an armed insurrection to me.” He also slammed the impeachment trial at the time as “vindictive and divisive” and claimed it was a “diversionary operation” by Democrats to distract from security lapses at the U.S. Capitol

Already in a ditch, Ron Johnson digs deeper with Jan. 6 comments

In late February, the Wisconsinite went so far as to appear at a Senate hearing, read an item from a right-wing blog, and peddle the ridiculous idea that the pro-Trump forces that launched the attack on the Capitol were secretly made up of "fake Trump protesters.

 

[Shadowy Man]

GOP Sen. Ron Johnson says he never felt threatened during Jan. 6 Capitol attack
He's R-WI

Attacking cops and threatening to murder Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence -- what does he think about that? Did he really expect that mob to spare him?

Already in a ditch, Ron Johnson digs deeper with Jan. 6 comments

In late February, the Wisconsinite went so far as to appear at a Senate hearing, read an item from a right-wing blog, and peddle the ridiculous idea that the pro-Trump forces that launched the attack on the Capitol were secretly made up of "fake Trump protesters.

So he simultaneously is saying that they were fake Trump supporters and they were people who loved their country and wouldn’t break any laws.

I guess if he covers all possible opinions he’s bound to be correct at some point.

 

[fromderinside]

Isn't the purpose of whitewash?

 

[Trausti]

GOP Sen. Ron Johnson says he never felt threatened during Jan. 6 Capitol attack
He's R-WI

Attacking cops and threatening to murder Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence -- what does he think about that? Did he really expect that mob to spare him?

Already in a ditch, Ron Johnson digs deeper with Jan. 6 comments

In late February, the Wisconsinite went so far as to appear at a Senate hearing, read an item from a right-wing blog, and peddle the ridiculous idea that the pro-Trump forces that launched the attack on the Capitol were secretly made up of "fake Trump protesters.

So he simultaneously is saying that they were fake Trump supporters and they were people who loved their country and wouldn’t break any laws.

I guess if he covers all possible opinions he’s bound to be correct at some point.

A lot of them were grandma MAGAs who were waived in by the Capitol Police.

 

[Shadowy Man]

So he simultaneously is saying that they were fake Trump supporters and they were people who loved their country and wouldn’t break any laws.

I guess if he covers all possible opinions he’s bound to be correct at some point.

A lot of them were grandma MAGAs who were waived in by the Capitol Police.

Luckily there is so much video available that we know the “grandmas” weren’t the problem.

That doesn’t even address my point. Johnson is trying to have it both ways. He is either stupid or intellectually dishonest. Possibly both somehow.

 

[LoAmmo]

A lot of them were grandma MAGAs who were waived in by the Capitol Police.

If believing that makes you feel better about what really happened, just go ahead and believe it, in good health.

 

[Elixir]

A lot of them were grandma MAGAs who were waived in by the Capitol Police.

But if they had been BLACK grandmas, Ron Johnson would have shit his pants.
Right.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Luckily there is so much video available that we know the “grandmas” weren’t the problem.

That doesn’t even address my point. Johnson is trying to have it both ways. He is either stupid or intellectually dishonest. Possibly both somehow.

I sincerely believe there is no difference.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Luckily there is so much video available that we know the “grandmas” weren’t the problem.

That doesn’t even address my point. Johnson is trying to have it both ways. He is either stupid or intellectually dishonest. Possibly both somehow.

I sincerely believe there is no difference.

He is definitely intellectually dishonest. I was reading a commentary elsewhere that did confirm Sen. Johnson's actual status in his first term as a Midwest not crazy Senator. He turned heel and he turned heel in a very bad way. This guy knows exactly what he is doing, which implies he is fanning flames.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

GOP Sen. Ron Johnson says he never felt threatened during Jan. 6 Capitol attack
He's R-WI

Attacking cops and threatening to murder Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence -- what does he think about that? Did he really expect that mob to spare him?

They're on his side, why would he be in danger?