Kapaernick

[sharon45]

Of course they ought to, and obviously we all should care too, but I am going to have a problem when people capitalize off of it, and use it for self-promotion. People keep forgetting that the real bottom line here is money.

How is anyone capitalizing on the knee protest?

A small part of it is shown in the picture I reposted. Obviously we are dealing with a major corporation's rash tactics in hopes of continued survival.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Where in the NFL rulebook does it say you have to stand for the national anthem? If people don't want to see ball players protesting the anthem, then maybe we shouldn't be having the anthem at a ball game. The players weren't the ones who started having political expression part of the game.

Huh? Where does it say owners can only fire employees for breaking rules in the NFL rule book?

If critics are complaining that they are only ball players and shouldn't make political expressions on the field then we should only have them play ball. Get the anthem off the playing field and let them play ball.

My point is that the national anthem should not be part of the "workplace", as you put it.

 

[sharon45]

Huh? Where does it say owners can only fire employees for breaking rules in the NFL rule book?

If critics are complaining that they are only ball players and shouldn't make political expressions on the field then we should only have them play ball. Get the anthem off the playing field and let them play ball.

My point is that the national anthem should not be part of the "workplace", as you put it.

Say you were right, and they stopped playing the Anthem, are the protests going to stop with it though? I don't think they would, because these players are drawing attention to a very important political issue, far outside of the actual game.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

 

[Shadowy Man]

If critics are complaining that they are only ball players and shouldn't make political expressions on the field then we should only have them play ball. Get the anthem off the playing field and let them play ball.

My point is that the national anthem should not be part of the "workplace", as you put it.

Say you were right, and they stopped playing the Anthem, are the protests going to stop with it though? I don't think they would, because these players are drawing attention to a very important political issue, far outside of the actual game.

Certainly protesting during the anthem would stop. The players are always free to protest on their own time, even according to the "critics". I'm just saying that the critics are hypocrites. They want to have a political expression during the game, but get upset when someone else makes a political expression they don't like. They they say they shouldn't do that because they're just ball players, so I'm saying that we should only have the ball playing then, if we're going to be intellectually consistent.

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And in the former case, the "hero" actually didn't do the job she was legally obligated to do. There is no legal obligation for football players to stand for the anthem, and standing for the anthem isn't even part of their job.

 

[coloradoatheist]

The constitution says to impeach for Treason, Bribery, and other high crimes. Saying that Football owners should fire players for not standing is not one of those items. They didn't want the President to be impeached just because the opposition disagreed with his politics, of which this could be considered a disagreement on politics.

... or a manifestation of his incompetence.

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

Here is a good article on it. While open ended, that amendment really was for physical incapacitation not just disagreeing with someone political. I think a civil war would erupt if they tried to remove Trump for this condition. It would be considered a coup and not just an election.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/presidential-disability-is-a-political-question/527703/

 

[ZiprHead]

How is anyone capitalizing on the knee protest?

A small part of it is shown in the picture I reposted. Obviously we are dealing with a major corporation's rash tactics in hopes of continued survival.

They're doing this to make money? Please explain how this works, especially in light of the millions the NFL makes from military advertizing.

 

[dismal]

Huh? Where does it say owners can only fire employees for breaking rules in the NFL rule book?

If critics are complaining that they are only ball players and shouldn't make political expressions on the field then we should only have them play ball. Get the anthem off the playing field and let them play ball.

My point is that the national anthem should not be part of the "workplace", as you put it.

I support your right not to play the national anthem in any workplace you control. Unless you currently control the NFL, however, I struggle to understand what your opinion has to do with this thread.

Though I suppose you could join Trumps in calling for an NFL boycott if you don't like their position on the anthem.

 

[dismal]

The things he has said can be used against him in any of the likely charges. And, yes, if you can be fired for what you say, then you can be impeached by the same reasoning.

The constitution says to impeach for Treason, Bribery, and other high crimes. Saying that Football owners should fire players for not standing is not one of those items. They didn't want the President to be impeached just because the opposition disagreed with his politics, of which this could be considered a disagreement on politics.

It turns out all of the best free speech advocates are willing to call for assault and/or high crimes and misdemeanors charges being brought against someone who says something they disagree with.

 

[sharon45]

A small part of it is shown in the picture I reposted. Obviously we are dealing with a major corporation's rash tactics in hopes of continued survival.

They're doing this to make money? Please explain how this works, especially in light of the millions the NFL makes from military advertizing.

Because the NFL is ultimately supported by the enabling public, and right now, various members are desperately scrambling to figure out how to deal with and respond to this recent spectacle of protests. Clearly there is bitter criticism from all sides, and a huge business clings twitching in supposedly around the middle.

 

[blastula]

The constitution says to impeach for Treason, Bribery, and other high crimes. Saying that Football owners should fire players for not standing is not one of those items. They didn't want the President to be impeached just because the opposition disagreed with his politics, of which this could be considered a disagreement on politics.

It turns out all of the best free speech advocates are willing to call for assault and/or high crimes and misdemeanors charges being brought against someone who says something they disagree with.

O rly?

 

[untermensche]

And in the former case, the "hero" actually didn't do the job she was legally obligated to do. There is no legal obligation for football players to stand for the anthem, and standing for the anthem isn't even part of their job.

She harmed innocent people.

Denied people their rights.

How many have been harmed because a football player knelt during a bad song?

To the right this has nothing to do with harming others. They love the idea of harming others. Especially at the workplace.

This is about an uppity black man and people who do not do as they are told.

To some rich white men any person who questions their absolute authority is a criminal.

These rich men have many mindless sycophants who for some reason also condemn anyone who questions the absolute authority of the masters.

Masters have always had their sycophants who wiped clean their every crime. This is the nature of humanity so far.

 

[WAB]

Yes, this guy is a medal-winning serviceman who went out to salute the anthem while go rest of his team stayed in the tunnel to protest America.

His coach was a bit ticked off a about it in the press, but fortunately he can't be fired because something in the Constitution.

It should be noted that he feels like shit for doing it:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ittsburgh-steelers-standing-alone-intentional

Only because of the ridiculous pressure put on him. He will come out of this as a true champion, a warrior worth watching. You watch.

 

[untermensche]

It should be noted that he feels like shit for doing it:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ittsburgh-steelers-standing-alone-intentional

Only because of the ridiculous pressure put on him. He will come out of this as a true champion, a warrior worth watching. You watch.

He feels bad because he spit into the faces of all his teammates.

And for what?

For absolutely NOTHING!! No cause.

Just to pretend that unarmed people are not being murdered by the police.

 

[Harry Bosch]

It should be noted that he feels like shit for doing it:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ittsburgh-steelers-standing-alone-intentional

Only because of the ridiculous pressure put on him. He will come out of this as a true champion, a warrior worth watching. You watch.

If you really believe that, you don't sports. He went against the team, and put himself above the team.

 

[dismal]

Only because of the ridiculous pressure put on him. He will come out of this as a true champion, a warrior worth watching. You watch.

If you really believe that, you don't sports. He went against the team, and put himself above the team.

Wait, wasn't he a nobly following his conscience to exercise his free speech rights in the face of oppressive management?

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

It should be noted that he feels like shit for doing it:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ittsburgh-steelers-standing-alone-intentional

Only because of the ridiculous pressure put on him. He will come out of this as a true champion, a warrior worth watching. You watch.

LOL. He's a football player. He's not a warrior.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It should be noted that he feels like shit for doing it:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ittsburgh-steelers-standing-alone-intentional

Only because of the ridiculous pressure put on him. He will come out of this as a true champion, a warrior worth watching. You watch.

In one year, we won't remember which player did what other than Kapaernick. We will remember yet another shower of right-wing pant pissing and the President joining in on the need for new pants.

 

[Keith&Co.]

In one year, we won't remember which player did what other than Kapaernick. We will remember yet another shower of right-wing pant pissing and the President joining in on the need for new pants.

At this point, I'd love to see an Imam, maybe in Iran? Anyway, an Imam issue a fatwa declaring that any muslims who kneel or support kneelers are heretics. Watch my coworkers flip their shit about foreigners who don't understand the essential freedoms that ALL AMERICANS enjoy! Also, I'd enjoy the whiplash as they about-face....

 

[Elixir]

Here is a good article on it.

Yeah, I agree it's a reach.

I think a civil war would erupt if they tried to remove Trump for this condition.

Heh! The world's shortest civil war... and it may erupt no matter HOW Cheato is purged, even if by general election. Trumpsuckers are not collectively known for the smarts or their rational behavior.