Minnesota has a new flag

[bilby]

If any proposed new flag of Illinois doesn't incorporate the images of the most famous historical residents of the state, Jake and Elwood Blues, and/or the state motto "We're on a mission from God", it should be summarily rejected.

 

[lpetrich]

Maine is moving ahead with a new flag design.

Flag contest winning design unveiled

• Winner - Maine State Flag Redesign Contest.pdf
• Microsoft Word - State Flag Redesign Semi-finalists - Top 10 - Maine State Flag Redesign Contest.pdf

There is a ballot question for the November elections: use the winner or keep the existing flag -  Flag of Maine

The existing one looks very cluttered, while the new one is a revival of an old one: a pine tree on a light yellow background, with a dark blue star in the upper left.

 

[lpetrich]

Catching up. Referendum to replace Maine state flag fails | Maine Public - the new design lost 55% - 45%, so Maine will be keeping its existing flag design for now, the state seal on a dark blue background, a common kind of state-flag design.

But that won't stop many Mainers who prefer the Pine Tree Flag, said David Martucci, former president of the North American Vexillological Association.

"And a lot of people are still going to prefer that over the blue flag with the state coat of arms on it, I don't think that's going to change, obviously it wasn't a majority of voters but that's the way politics works sometimes," he said.

Martucci said he will continue to fly his Pine Tree Flag, and that the issue may come up again in the future.

Was it the possible cost of changing flag designs?

Former state representative Sean Paulus, who sponsored the bill that became the referendum, said he is disappointed by the results, but appreciates the discussion generated by the effort.

"But I think overall you know its been a long process and I think through that there's been a lot of discussion, debate, about what are flags the meaning of flags," he said.

...
State Representative Richard Campbell, who has opposed the change, said he heard from residents who said they were unaware of the question and didn't want the change.

"I thought the margin would be greater in opposition, that's what we had learned at different parades and fairs, and its as though no one knew it was on the ballot, let alone have 45 percent voting for it," he said.

 

[lpetrich]

Current State Flag is Decisive Winner in Flag Redesign Contest - 250306d1.pdf
The current flag won 43% of the votes, more than the next five ones combined.

This was a very bad vote: first-past-the-post, vote for only one in only one round of voting. I think that this deserves some multicandidate-friendly kind of voting like instant runoff voting (ranked choice voting).

 

[Politesse]

SERC - Next Minnesota State Flag
Designer Andrew Prekker's solution has a dark blue stylization of the state on the left with a white star in it, with three horizontal stripes on the right. From top to bottom: white, green, light blue.

I guess the green was supposed to be symbolizing Islam, since Minnesota is in the process of submitting voluntarily ...

Prekker's Minnesota flag:

Jubaland (in Somalia) flag:

No wonder Ilhan Omar likes it. And I guess Andrew Prekker is a plagiarist.

Why would anyone be copying -or even have heard of - the Jubaland flag?

 

[Elixir]

Why would anyone be copying -or even have heard of - the Jubaland flag?

If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, the people of south sudan should be Jubalant.

 

[Politesse]

Why would anyone be copying -or even have heard of - the Jubaland flag?

If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, the people of south sudan should be Jubalant.

See, even Elixir doesn't know what country Jubaland is in. God knows they've changed hands enough times, but I'm certain they have never belonged to South Sudan. Or if it had, Ethiopia would very much like to know how!

In any case, I don't think there is a significant project to place Minnesota under Somalian jurisdiction. Generally speaking, people who flee to the US are... well, fleeing to the US. As for Jubaland in particular, it barely succeeds in managing to govern itself let alone conquering anywhere else. It's three principal regions have no year round road connection, it's mostly rural farmers....

 

[Derec]

In any case, I don't think there is a significant project to place Minnesota under Somalian jurisdiction.

Minneapolis is already submitting voluntarily.
Minneapolis mayor signs change to noise ordinance allowing amplified call to prayer 5 times a day
Fajr prayer can be as early as 3AM.

It is another instance where Muslims move in and demand everybody else adjust to them, not the other way around.

 

[Derec]

Why would anyone be copying -or even have heard of - the Jubaland flag?

There are a bunch of Somalis in Minnesota. Some of them are bound to be from Jubaland.

 

[Politesse]

Why would anyone be copying -or even have heard of - the Jubaland flag?

There are a bunch of Somalis in Minnesota. Some of them are bound to be from Jubaland.

And there are a lot of French people in Philadelphia, but that doesn't prove, or even suggest, that Betsy Ross proposed red, white, and blue for our flag as part of a complex plot to convert the US to Catholicism. There are so many bizarre holes in the logic your argument, it's more hole than logic.

 

[Politesse]

In any case, I don't think there is a significant project to place Minnesota under Somalian jurisdiction.

Minneapolis is already submitting voluntarily.
Minneapolis mayor signs change to noise ordinance allowing amplified call to prayer 5 times a day
Fajr prayer can be as early as 3AM.

It is another instance where Muslims move in and demand everybody else adjust to them, not the other way around.

Gee, I don't know anyone who struggles to cope with not everyone acknowledging the superiority of his culture as he understands it...

 

[Derec]

And there are a lot of French people in Philadelphia, but that doesn't prove, or even suggest, that Betsy Ross proposed red, white, and blue for our flag as part of a complex plot to convert the US to Catholicism. There are so many bizarre holes in the logic your argument, it's more hole than logic.

That's just a silly counterargument. The red-white-blue color scheme is obviously borrowed from Great Britain. We can see the evolution in the Continental Union Flag from just before the Revolutionary War. Note that the design already had the 13 black and white stripes, but had the Union Jack in the corner.

It also shows that older flags definitely inspire designs of newer ones. Nothing bizarre about that.

 

[Derec]

Gee, I don't know anyone who struggles to cope with not everyone acknowledging the superiority of his culture as he understands it...

Whatever do you mean by this?
Let me ask you concretely: do you think Muslims should have an exception from noise ordinances? Do you think they should have the right to wake people up at 3AM by blasting chants from loudspeakers mounted on towers?

 

[laughing dog]

In any case, I don't think there is a significant project to place Minnesota under Somalian jurisdiction.

Minneapolis is already submitting voluntarily.
Minneapolis mayor signs change to noise ordinance allowing amplified call to prayer 5 times a day
Fajr prayer can be as early as 3AM.

It is another instance where Muslims move in and demand everybody else adjust to them, not the other way around.

Do you have a shred of evidence of any complaints stemming from the 2 year old ordinance?

 

[TomC]

In any case, I don't think there is a significant project to place Minnesota under Somalian jurisdiction.

Minneapolis is already submitting voluntarily.
Minneapolis mayor signs change to noise ordinance allowing amplified call to prayer 5 times a day
Fajr prayer can be as early as 3AM.

It is another instance where Muslims move in and demand everybody else adjust to them, not the other way around.

How about you just shut up and let the people in Minneapolis decide for themselves what is important?
Tom

 

[Politesse]

And there are a lot of French people in Philadelphia, but that doesn't prove, or even suggest, that Betsy Ross proposed red, white, and blue for our flag as part of a complex plot to convert the US to Catholicism. There are so many bizarre holes in the logic your argument, it's more hole than logic.

That's just a silly counterargument. The red-white-blue color scheme is obviously borrowed from Great Britain. We can see the evolution in the Continental Union Flag from just before the Revolutionary War. Note that the design already had the 13 black and white stripes, but had the Union Jack in the corner.

It also shows that older flags definitely inspire designs of newer ones. Nothing bizarre about that.

On a similar note, Islam invented neither the color green, nor Minnesota's state motto.

 

[Derec]

Do you have a shred of evidence of any complaints stemming from the 2 year old ordinance?

My claim was not that anybody complained (although I am sure there have been complaints), but that Minneapolis giving Muslims exemption from noise ordinances constitute a de facto submission to Islam on the part of the city council and the invertebrate mayor.

How about you just shut up and let the people in Minneapolis decide for themselves what is important?
Tom

The problem is that Minneapolis city council is dominated by the far left, who just love to submit to the Muslim minority.
I am not aware of any referendum on the policy. But even if a majority had voted for it, I do not think giving one religion an exemption from laws is either good policy or passes constitutional muster.

 

[Derec]

On a similar note, Islam invented neither the color green,

No, and nobody claimed that. But it is associated with Islam, which is why for example Hamas terrorists wear greed headbands and why their flag is green.

nor Minnesota's state motto.

"Star of the North". Nothing about the color green or giving Muslims special rights to annoy their neighbors.

 

[laughing dog]

Do you have a shred of evidence of any complaints stemming from the 2 year old ordinance?

My claim was not that anybody complained (although I am sure there have been complaints), but that Minneapolis giving Muslims exemption from noise ordinances constitute a de facto submission to Islam on the part of the city council and the invertebrate mayor.

So any exemption granted to anyone to any ordnance is de facto submission to something?

If you have no evidence that this exemption is a problem for the neighborhoods, then there is no factual basis for your splenetic claims about complaints or annoyances.

 

[Derec]

So any exemption granted to anyone to any ordnance is de facto submission to something?

Let me ask you something else. Why is it so important for you and a few others to defend Minneapolis and the Islamists when the policy is so wrong on its face? You'd expect an atheist forum to be more critical of politicians giving special rights to religious institutions. But when it's Islamic institutions, you are suddenly all in favor. Why?