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Mueller investigation

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Keith&Co. said:
Anyone with a modicum of ethics OR sufficient awareness to wonder if it might be a sting OR bald self-interest and not wanting to put themselves in a position that they owed a foreign power a favor, money, or other considerations.

No. I would not trust a Russian source that their offering this information was to the nation's benefit.
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But you trust the information from a dossier based on interviews with Russian prostitutes? :slowclap:
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I wouldn't say that I 'trust' this dossier. I'm still waiting on the results of the investigation.
The investigation that started without the dossier, and would have continued if it never showed up.

So, if you could maybe show where I am wrong about why I would not have gone to that meeting, go head. Let's leave this strawman attempt at a 'gotcha' on the cutting room floor.
 
Trausti said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Trausti said:
Dreaming is what most of the posters in this thread seem to be doing.
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Acting US Attorney General fired over Flynn
FBI Director fired over Flynn
US District Attorney overseeing Russian firm money laundering case (same people that met Jr) fired
Deputy Director of FBI pressured to be quit and be fired and has resign
Memo release likely to lead to firing of second in charge at Justice Dept.

Yeah, nothing to see here. Completely normal to see when an investigation is on going.
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Wasn't the acting attorney general fired because she would not defend Trump's executive order? And the Deputy FBI director instructed to resigned by the FBI director after the Inspector General discovered that he knew of Clinton's undisclosed emails for over a month and did not inform Congress. You really need to wake up, dude. Or pass me what you're smoking.
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I think you're going to need to be more clear about what you are talking about.

The New York bureau sat on Wiener's laptop for weeks before informing Comey of the Clinton emails on the device. Comey notified congress two days after receiving that information.

BTW, the person that drafted the letter to Comey informing him of this was agent Strzok, the guy the Republicans are trying to say was all in for Hillary.
 
John McCain: “The latest attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests – no party’s, no president’s, only Putin’s. The American people deserve to know all of the facts surrounding Russia’s ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation must proceed unimpeded. Our nation’s elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.” http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...in-attacks-on-fbi-serve-no-american-interests

Dems finally fighting back: https://medium.com/the-committee-on...ct-justice-with-release-of-nunes-e7b2e85229a6

By releasing this propaganda memo, the Republicans involved have openly shown themselves to be complicit in obstruction of justice.
 
Ford said:
Angry Floof said:
The orange fuckface released the Nunes memo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...this-memo-was-written/?utm_term=.b1265d906490
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/us/politics/trump-fbi-memo.html
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And as expected, it's full of shit.
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Well of course, since it was written by the Whitehouse, given to Nunes, revised for Congress' approval, re-modified by Nunes and given back to the WH.
It will be interesting to see the Dems' exposé when it comes out.
 
TV and credit cards said:
Ford said:
Angry Floof said:
The orange fuckface released the Nunes memo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...this-memo-was-written/?utm_term=.b1265d906490
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/us/politics/trump-fbi-memo.html
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And as expected, it's full of shit.
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Trump will spend his afternoon watching the news and the market drop and wonder if it's even an excuse to fire anyone.

What a Nunesburger.
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Whoever said, "Don't worry sir this will fix everything and make all your dreams come true."

Btw interesting blog

The GOP has been Newt Gingrich’s party since 1994. I’m not sure it’s even fair to say that Trump is taking it to new levels. He’s just bringing it to life more effectively than anyone before him. Either way, though, he is Newt Gingrich’s Platonic ideal of a politician made flesh. You bluster for the cameras endlessly. You use words to change reality. You attack any institution that can offer a credible alternative to your reality. You lie so often it becomes the truth. You pretend to be a populist but make sure to retain the support of the corporate class. Newt wrote the playbook. Trump is finally the quarterback who can follow it.
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https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-d...finally-have-a-quarterback-who-can-follow-it/
 
Elixir said:
Ford said:
Angry Floof said:
The orange fuckface released the Nunes memo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...this-memo-was-written/?utm_term=.b1265d906490
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/us/politics/trump-fbi-memo.html
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And as expected, it's full of shit.
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Well of course, since it was written by the Whitehouse, given to Nunes, revised for Congress' approval, re-modified by Nunes and given back to the WH.
It will be interesting to see the Dems' exposé when it comes out.
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And here's a really good read on why the memo is a bunch of BS:

http://www.stonekettle.com/2018/01/dirty-tricks.html
 
John McCain said:
“The latest attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests – no party’s, no president’s, only Putin’s. The American people deserve to know all of the facts surrounding Russia’s ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation must proceed unimpeded. Our nation’s elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.”
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LOL, wasn't it McCain that turned over the phony dossier to the feds ? LOL.
 
If this memo is all they have, the Republicans are really desperate. This memo does nothing, absolutely nothing to soil the Trump investigation.
 
Amber Phillips of The Fix gives a nice summary of all the problems with the memo (See 6 key takeaways from the GOP memo alleging FBI bias in the Russia investigation). Here is the list of "outstanding questions" that she came up with:


  1. Given this seems to be THE key point of the memo — the FBI relied on a politically motivated document to spy on a U.S. citizen — its description of how important the Steele memo was to the FBI's surveillance of Page is vague. How much is “an essential” part of the application? The FBI officials have told my Post colleagues that the memo was far from the only piece of intel it used to get a court to spy on Page.
  2. Does who funded dossier really matter to the court? The company behind the dossier testified to Congress that Steele’s report isn’t fake, was not politically motivated and did not set out with the intention to smear Trump, least of all to find collusion.
  3. It's not immediately clear how [Steele's contact with the media] impacts the information that made its way into the FISA warrant.
  4. It's an open question whether Steele's bias matters if the information he provided was sound. Talking about how the FBI got the information is a distraction from what agents found, Jens David Ohlin, a dean at Cornell Law University, told The Fix earlier this week: “Consider an analogy. Say there’s a murder in a small town and the police aren’t making any progress. In frustration, the family of the victim hires a private investigator who turns up evidence and gives it to the police. What should the police do? Answer: They should act on it if there’s something there.”
  5. Unless House Republicans are alleging the entire FBI was biased against Trump, it's not clear how this impacts the FISA application that ultimately let them spy on Page. Strzok was a key member of the team investigating Russia interference in the 2016 election, but he was reassigned after the FBI discovered these texts.
  6. The memo has yet to answer why Trump's handpicked head of the FBI disagrees [with its conclusions].
 
TV and credit cards said:
Ford said:
Angry Floof said:
The orange fuckface released the Nunes memo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...this-memo-was-written/?utm_term=.b1265d906490
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/us/politics/trump-fbi-memo.html
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And as expected, it's full of shit.
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Trump will spend his afternoon watching the news and the market drop and wonder if it's even an excuse to fire anyone.

What a Nunesburger.
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Does the memo have to demonstrate wrongdoing for Trump to use it to fire Rosenstein? No, it doesn't. That is the problem here. You have the intellectual Dennis Prager going on about how bad this is, worse that Watergate.
 
The dossier contains several documents, as is typical of a dossier--otherwise it would be called a "document". Only one of of the documents in this dossier originally assembled at the request of one of Trump's Republican opponents, is about Russian prostitutes.
 
TSwizzle said:
John McCain said:
“The latest attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests – no party’s, no president’s, only Putin’s. The American people deserve to know all of the facts surrounding Russia’s ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation must proceed unimpeded. Our nation’s elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.”
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LOL, wasn't it McCain that turned over the phony dossier to the feds ? LOL.
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What's phony about it? Everything about it that could be corroborated or falsified so far, has been corroborated. So... WHAT makes it phony - Trump's say-so?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
TV and credit cards said:
Trump will spend his afternoon watching the news and the market drop and wonder if it's even an excuse to fire anyone.

What a Nunesburger.
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Does the memo have to demonstrate wrongdoing for Trump to use it to fire Rosenstein? No, it doesn't. That is the problem here. You have the intellectual Dennis Prager going on about how bad this is, worse that Watergate.
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It seems this is the memo's purpose but to what end? While it can end this special investigation, my understanding is the investigation can (will?) be picked up under another authority.

Watergate does pale in comparison. This is an attack on our democracy, from without and from within to paraphrase James Clapper. Can enough Americans see it in time? I'm very worried that many of the Republicans seem indifferent toward the upcoming elections. This is telling. Do they believe this is a done deal? The only way out of this is through cohesiveness within the House of Representatives. I believe this is needed to unite the country.
If we're looking for House Republicans to finally be appalled, I think we only need to look back to Sandy Hook for the answer.
 
TSwizzle said:
John McCain said:
“The latest attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests – no party’s, no president’s, only Putin’s. The American people deserve to know all of the facts surrounding Russia’s ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation must proceed unimpeded. Our nation’s elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.”
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LOL, wasn't it McCain that turned over the phony dossier to the feds ? LOL.
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"Yeah, McCain's part of the Deep State. Fake News."
"Yeah, Fake News. Heh. Heh."
 
TV and credit cards said:
It seems this is the memo's purpose but to what end? While it can end this special investigation, my understanding is the investigation can (will?) be picked up under another authority.
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You're overthinking. Throttle down to Trump Lizard Brain Speed. Mueller's toast, everything's groovy.
 
Copernicus said:
Amber Phillips of The Fix gives a nice summary of all the problems with the memo (See 6 key takeaways from the GOP memo alleging FBI bias in the Russia investigation). Here is the list of "outstanding questions" that she came up with:


  1. Given this seems to be THE key point of the memo — the FBI relied on a politically motivated document to spy on a U.S. citizen — its description of how important the Steele memo was to the FBI's surveillance of Page is vague. How much is “an essential” part of the application? The FBI officials have told my Post colleagues that the memo was far from the only piece of intel it used to get a court to spy on Page.
  2. Does who funded dossier really matter to the court? The company behind the dossier testified to Congress that Steele’s report isn’t fake, was not politically motivated and did not set out with the intention to smear Trump, least of all to find collusion.
  3. It's not immediately clear how [Steele's contact with the media] impacts the information that made its way into the FISA warrant.
  4. It's an open question whether Steele's bias matters if the information he provided was sound. Talking about how the FBI got the information is a distraction from what agents found, Jens David Ohlin, a dean at Cornell Law University, told The Fix earlier this week: “Consider an analogy. Say there’s a murder in a small town and the police aren’t making any progress. In frustration, the family of the victim hires a private investigator who turns up evidence and gives it to the police. What should the police do? Answer: They should act on it if there’s something there.”
  5. Unless House Republicans are alleging the entire FBI was biased against Trump, it's not clear how this impacts the FISA application that ultimately let them spy on Page. Strzok was a key member of the team investigating Russia interference in the 2016 election, but he was reassigned after the FBI discovered these texts.
  6. The memo has yet to answer why Trump's handpicked head of the FBI disagrees [with its conclusions].
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You (and Nunes) missed an essential element:
The original FISA warrant on Page was obtained well before the FBI was even aware of the "dossier". The Rethugs are complaining about it being the basis for the FOURTH renewal of that warrant. For their case to have merit, four separate judges would ALL have to be remiss, including the judges who had never heard of the Steele dossier.
It's 100% phony baloney, cooked up for and by the Cheato Regime, and delivered by their pet Congressional butt-boy.
 
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