Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Derec]

It has been widely reported in right wing propaganda, that is.

Right-of-center sources are the only ones willing to say anything critical of the hero George Floyd.

1) "lethal dose". The problem is opioids do not have a lethal dose. That is not to say you can't overdose on them, it's that you can't reasonably define the point of overdose--what's a lethal dose to someone not habituated to them doesn't mean much to a regular user.

The point is that it doesn't have to be proven that he died of an overdose. To rightly acquit Chauvin and others of any homicide crime, all you need is reasonable doubt.
Note also that it's not just the dose. He had liquid fill the parenchyma of his lungs so that they were twice the weight of a normal lung. That is common with overdoses and would obviously have made it difficult to breathe.

2) Opioid overdose is a quick thing. He's not going to walk into the store, then get hauled out of it, then die of an overdose.

Source?

All this really means is that he was a regular user of opioids. It very well might have some bearing on his death--that level of opioids is going to mess with your behavior and very well might have led to the police administering a bit of "justice", but it didn't cause his death.

I disagree. I think it is more likely than not that drugs caused his death and it is certainly likely enough to serve as reasonable doubt.

It is notable that all these restraint-type deaths involve people on drugs, with severe health issues or both. George Floyd was both. He was on meth and fentanyl and he had health issues like an enlarged heart and 90% blockage of his right coronary artery.

 

[Derec]

I think we are in agreement - neither one of us has a clue what you are talking about.

Have you slept through the Summer? Left-wing extremists took over and occupied several blocks in downtown Seattle including a police station.

So excuse me when I do not agree that police was too aggressive toward them. More like way too soft and lenient.

That is simply delusional. The police are fully armed. The police are not enjoined against using appropriate force in appropriate circumstances.

In cities like Seattle and Portland they are very much so enjoined. In Portland, where extremists have now established another autonomous zone, police are even prohibited from using something as basic as tear gas.

The problem are not truly peaceful protesters. The problem are vandals, looters, rioters, arsonist etc. that wrongfully call themselves "peaceful protesters".

 

[Elixir]

The problem are not truly peaceful protesters. The problem are vandals, looters, rioters, arsonist etc. that wrongfully call themselves "peaceful protesters".

But not "protesters" who shoot counter-protesters?
Thank god there wasn't more graffiti, though!

 

[Derec]

But not "protesters" who shoot counter-protesters?

Shooting somebody, unless it is self-defense, is of course wrong. As is macing retreating protesters, which led to the shooting according to your own source.

Thank god there wasn't more graffiti, though!

If you refer to the Thanksgiving vilence in Portland, the grafitti were useful to identify the perp's political views (anti-Thanksgiving, anti-USA). But main damage was from smashing window, destroying bank ATMs and the like.

 

[laughing dog]

I think we are in agreement - neither one of us has a clue what you are talking about.

Have you slept through the Summer? Left-wing extremists took over and occupied several blocks in downtown Seattle including a police station.

No, I simply do not get triggered as easily as some people.

So excuse me when I do not agree that police was too aggressive toward them. More like way too soft and lenient.

There is no excuse for violence against peaceful protesters or protesters who pose no actual threat.

That is simply delusional. The police are fully armed. The police are not enjoined against using appropriate force in appropriate circumstances.

In cities like Seattle and Portland they are very much so enjoined. In Portland, where extremists have now established another autonomous zone, police are even prohibited from using something as basic as tear gas.

And why did that prohibition come about? Hmmm.

The problem are not truly peaceful protesters. The problem are vandals, looters, rioters, arsonist etc. that wrongfully call themselves "peaceful protesters".

The problem is that many people conflate a small portion of group as the entire group.

 

[Angry Floof]

Yeah, DHS and the FBI are the delusional cunts in this situation. Why do we even keep those assholes in their jobs when we have people like Derec with a much more realistic understanding of threats to the U.S. from within?

 

[Elixir]

Yeah, DHS and the FBI are the delusional cunts in this situation. Why do we even keep those assholes in their jobs when we have people like Derec with a much more realistic understanding of threats to the U.S. from within?

Exactly what I was thinking.
DHS Report Says White Supremacist Groups Are Deadliest US Terror Threat

Why don't we pool our resources and put Derec forward for a position in the new administration, replacing Jared? I mean, someone has to stop them from saying that shit!

 

[Angry Floof]

Yeah, DHS and the FBI are the delusional cunts in this situation. Why do we even keep those assholes in their jobs when we have people like Derec with a much more realistic understanding of threats to the U.S. from within?

Exactly what I was thinking.
DHS Report Says White Supremacist Groups Are Deadliest US Terror Threat

Why don't we pool our resources and put Derec forward for a position in the new administration, replacing Jared? I mean, someone has to stop them from saying that shit!

And he's obviously got the goods in terms of evidence and intelligence on that dangerous and vast, highly structured organization Antifa. Even the word sounds evil, AntiFAAAAAAAHH!!!

 

[Derec]

Cherry picking reports to excuse and justify far-left violence.

I guess Antifas stabbing people or macing fleeing protesters or vandalizing businesses or occupying city blocks is just a-ok as long as they have not been mentioned in some random news story by Bay News 9.

 

[Elixir]

I guess Antifas stabbing people or macing fleeing protesters or vandalizing businesses or occupying city blocks is just a-ok as long as they have not been mentioned in some random news story by Bay News 9.

Whose mouth are you trying to put those vile words in Derec?

 

[Angry Floof]

Cherry picking reports to excuse and justify far-left violence.

I guess Antifas stabbing people or macing fleeing protesters or vandalizing businesses or occupying city blocks is just a-ok as long as they have not been mentioned in some random news story by Bay News 9.

Again, why are you not holding DHS and the FBI accountable for unfairly cherry picking when they evaluate right wing hate groups as the most dangerous threat to the US? Also for their stupid audacity in considering violence against people worse than violence against things?

You must be absolutely outraged at the DHS and FBI! Why are you and your fellow Proud Boys or whatever not protesting DHS and the FBI for this travesty of justice??

 

[Angry Floof]

Yeah, DHS and the FBI are the delusional cunts in this situation. Why do we even keep those assholes in their jobs when we have people like Derec with a much more realistic understanding of threats to the U.S. from within?

Exactly what I was thinking.
DHS Report Says White Supremacist Groups Are Deadliest US Terror Threat

Why don't we pool our resources and put Derec forward for a position in the new administration, replacing Jared? I mean, someone has to stop them from saying that shit!

I knew DHS were nothing but a bunch of sushi-eating never-Trumpers!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I disagree. I think it is more likely than not that drugs caused his death and it is certainly likely enough to serve as reasonable doubt.

It is notable that all these restraint-type deaths involve people on drugs, with severe health issues or both. George Floyd was both. He was on meth and fentanyl and he had health issues like an enlarged heart and 90% blockage of his right coronary artery.

To cause reasonable doubt you need an autopsy that explains why he died of other causes right when the police did something with the potential to kill. We don't have that and any source that says "lethal dose" of opioids doesn't know what it's talking about.

His health very well might have had a bearing on his death but that is not a defense. You have to take your victims as you find them, someone being easy to harm is not a defense against having harmed them.

 

[Jarhyn]

I disagree. I think it is more likely than not that drugs caused his death and it is certainly likely enough to serve as reasonable doubt.

It is notable that all these restraint-type deaths involve people on drugs, with severe health issues or both. George Floyd was both. He was on meth and fentanyl and he had health issues like an enlarged heart and 90% blockage of his right coronary artery.

To cause reasonable doubt you need an autopsy that explains why he died of other causes right when the police did something with the potential to kill. We don't have that and any source that says "lethal dose" of opioids doesn't know what it's talking about.

His health very well might have had a bearing on his death but that is not a defense. You have to take your victims as you find them, someone being easy to harm is not a defense against having harmed them.

So, question, if I walk up to a dying homeless man on the sidewalk and shoot them, did I murder them? Will I face murder charges? Should I?

I mean, I'm pretty sure we ALL know the answers to these questions.

The fact that someone here doesn't seem to understand that for some reason right at this moment is troubling though.

 

[Worldtraveller]

I disagree. I think it is more likely than not that drugs caused his death and it is certainly likely enough to serve as reasonable doubt.

It is notable that all these restraint-type deaths involve people on drugs, with severe health issues or both. George Floyd was both. He was on meth and fentanyl and he had health issues like an enlarged heart and 90% blockage of his right coronary artery.

To cause reasonable doubt you need an autopsy that explains why he died of other causes right when the police did something with the potential to kill. We don't have that and any source that says "lethal dose" of opioids doesn't know what it's talking about.

His health very well might have had a bearing on his death but that is not a defense. You have to take your victims as you find them, someone being easy to harm is not a defense against having harmed them.

So, question, if I walk up to a dying homeless man on the sidewalk and shoot them, did I murder them? Will I face murder charges? Should I?

I mean, I'm pretty sure we ALL know the answers to these questions.

The fact that someone here doesn't seem to understand that for some reason right at this moment is troubling though.

Two conditionals?

Are you wearing a badge, and can you conceivably accuse this homeless person of doing something illegal, even if it's as banal as jaywaking?

Note that doesn't have anything to do with whether it was actually murder (it is), just whether you're likely to be tried/prosecuted.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Cherry picking reports to excuse and justify far-left violence.

I guess Antifas stabbing people or macing fleeing protesters or vandalizing businesses or occupying city blocks is just a-ok as long as they have not been mentioned in some random news story by Bay News 9.

While the Proud Boys were on the run that doesn't say who started the stabbing. Your source didn't support it's claim of the left macing them.

 

[ZiprHead]

Former Houston police captain charged after allegedly attacking man falsely accused of voter fraud
The man allegedly told police in October that he was part of a group investigating voter fraud and accused a repairman of having fake ballots in his truck.

A former Houston police captain was arrested Tuesday with police alleging that he pointed a gun at a repairman and ran him off the road over false voter fraud allegations.

Mark Anthony Aguirre, 63, was charged Tuesday with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, according to the Harris County District Attorney’s Office. The former officer allegedly told police following the incident in October that he was part of a civilian group called “Liberty Center,” who were looking into allegations of voter fraud.

Aguirre allegedly said he conducted “surveillance” on a man for four days under the belief he had 750,000 fraudulent ballots in his truck, according to the district attorney. He allegedly ran his SUV into the back of the man’s truck and forced him to the ground at gunpoint, which was captured on an officer’s body camera.

A Houston officer saw Aguirre hit the truck while responding to an unrelated car nearby, according to a police statement Tuesday. The officer said they saw Aguirre point a gun at the man and called for backup as the truck was driven away.

So not only a crappy cop but a Trumper to boot.

 

[Trausti]

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[Angry Floof]

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[Derec]

That happened in the Czech Republic, which explains why The Mountain That Rides wasn't shot.