Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Angry Floof]

Then there's the general culture of victimhood and entitlement and divisiveness that's been growing for years.

I dunno.
Tom

On the part of police, yes.

 

[TomC]

On the part of police, yes.

Only the police?

Did you see the video of hundreds of BLM marchers chanting:

"What do we want?
DEAD COPS!

When do we want em?
NOW!"

They got their wish a short time later, in Dallas. BLM snipers shot 6 cops, 5 fatally.
Tom

 

[bilby]

Then there's the general culture of victimhood and entitlement and divisiveness that's been growing for years.

I dunno.
Tom

On the part of police, yes.

Indeed, and excused by the false but widely believed claim that this is also happening in society at large.

A claim that has been both widely believed and the opposite of the truth for at least a millennium.

In part because, for at least that long, the Catholic church has been unable (or unwilling) to distinguish between "a culture of victimhood, entitlement and divisiveness" and "not unquestioningly putting up with the demands of the authorities". The authorities, of course, including, as a major player, the Catholic church.

And yet again we see how deeply TomC has internalised the indoctrination that he no doubt genuinely believes he has escaped, and yet which it is painfully obvious, to anyone reading his posts, that he has not.

He accepts as axiomatic the false but plausible sounding premises he was taught as a child, and then completely independently thinks things through for himself and finds himself, surprisingly, in agreement with the church as a matter a pure coincidence.

Given the undisputed (and unquestionable) FACT that there exists a general culture of victimhood and entitlement and divisiveness that's been growing for years, it's easy to conclude that the police deserve our support and admiration.

Of course, if people have always been selfish and fractious, and ready to declare themselves as victims, the whole position collapses; And a glance at history shows that in fact the long term trend has been consistently away from a general culture of victimhood and entitlement and divisiveness, and (albeit painfully slowly) towards a culture of responsibility, fairness, and fellowship.

One which police forces, with one eye on their budgets, and the other on their position of power, would very much like to destroy.

 

[Gospel]

On the part of police, yes.

Only the police?

Did you see the video of hundreds of BLM marchers chanting:

"What do we want?
DEAD COPS!

When do we want em?
NOW!"

They got their wish a short time later, in Dallas. BLM snipers shot 6 cops, 5 fatally.
Tom

Barney style.

Not every police officer. Not every BLM protester.

=bad

 

[Angry Floof]

On the part of police, yes.

Only the police?

Did you see the video of hundreds of BLM marchers chanting:

"What do we want?
DEAD COPS!

When do we want em?
NOW!"

They got their wish a short time later, in Dallas. BLM snipers shot 6 cops, 5 fatally.
Tom

That is an excellent demonstration of the right wing authoritarian tendency to find some tiny fraction of incidents and present them as if to claim that they are even remotely relevant to BLM or to the overall consequences and impact that corrupt police officers and forces have on society at large. Thanks.

 

[blastula]

 

[TomC]

Then there's the general culture of victimhood and entitlement and divisiveness that's been growing for years.

I dunno.
Tom

On the part of police, yes.

Indeed, and excused by the false but widely believed claim that this is also happening in society at large.

A claim that has been both widely believed and the opposite of the truth for at least a millennium.

In part because, for at least that long, the Catholic church has been unable (or unwilling) to distinguish between "a culture of victimhood, entitlement and divisiveness" and "not unquestioningly putting up with the demands of the authorities". The authorities, of course, including, as a major player, the Catholic church.

And yet again we see how deeply TomC has internalised the indoctrination that he no doubt genuinely believes he has escaped, and yet which it is painfully obvious, to anyone reading his posts, that he has not.

He accepts as axiomatic the false but plausible sounding premises he was taught as a child, and then completely independently thinks things through for himself and finds himself, surprisingly, in agreement with the church as a matter a pure coincidence.

Given the undisputed (and unquestionable) FACT that there exists a general culture of victimhood and entitlement and divisiveness that's been growing for years, it's easy to conclude that the police deserve our support and admiration.

Of course, if people have always been selfish and fractious, and ready to declare themselves as victims, the whole position collapses; And a glance at history shows that in fact the long term trend has been consistently away from a general culture of victimhood and entitlement and divisiveness, and (albeit painfully slowly) towards a culture of responsibility, fairness, and fellowship.

One which police forces, with one eye on their budgets, and the other on their position of power, would very much like to destroy.

I understand that you are reduced to mind reading.
I also understand that Angry Floof doesn't understand why.
Tom

 

[Angry Floof]

Then there's the general culture of victimhood and entitlement and divisiveness that's been growing for years.

I dunno.
Tom

On the part of police, yes.

Indeed, and excused by the false but widely believed claim that this is also happening in society at large.

A claim that has been both widely believed and the opposite of the truth for at least a millennium.

In part because, for at least that long, the Catholic church has been unable (or unwilling) to distinguish between "a culture of victimhood, entitlement and divisiveness" and "not unquestioningly putting up with the demands of the authorities". The authorities, of course, including, as a major player, the Catholic church.

And yet again we see how deeply TomC has internalised the indoctrination that he no doubt genuinely believes he has escaped, and yet which it is painfully obvious, to anyone reading his posts, that he has not.

He accepts as axiomatic the false but plausible sounding premises he was taught as a child, and then completely independently thinks things through for himself and finds himself, surprisingly, in agreement with the church as a matter a pure coincidence.

Given the undisputed (and unquestionable) FACT that there exists a general culture of victimhood and entitlement and divisiveness that's been growing for years, it's easy to conclude that the police deserve our support and admiration.

Of course, if people have always been selfish and fractious, and ready to declare themselves as victims, the whole position collapses; And a glance at history shows that in fact the long term trend has been consistently away from a general culture of victimhood and entitlement and divisiveness, and (albeit painfully slowly) towards a culture of responsibility, fairness, and fellowship.

One which police forces, with one eye on their budgets, and the other on their position of power, would very much like to destroy.

I understand that you are reduced to mind reading.
I also understand that Angry Floof doesn't understand why.
Tom

I don't understand why what? Why you think bilby is mind reading? Or why you think bootlicking is better than holding power accountable? Or why you are not strong in the area of recognizing power imbalance?

 

[TomC]

I don't understand why what?

Why Bilby is reduced to mind reading.

It's right there in my post.
Tom

 

[Angry Floof]

I don't understand why what?

Why Bilby is reduced to mind reading.

It's right there in my post.
Tom

What does that have to do with me? I didn't even read his post yet. How would you know if I'd read it at all? Right wing "discourse" is so full of convoluted goal shifting.

 

[TomC]

I don't understand why what?

Why Bilby is reduced to mind reading.

It's right there in my post.
Tom

What does that have to do with me? I didn't even read his post yet. How would you know if I'd read it at all? Right wing "discourse" is so full of convoluted goal shifting.

Perhaps radical feminists and other assorted Wokesters have beaten so much nonsense into your head that you don't realize that it was your post that I was referring to when Bilby posted his rant.
Tom

 

[IIDB Staff]

Address the topic of police misconduct and do not engage in ad hom attacks against other posters.

Attack the idea, not the person.

 

[Angry Floof]

I don't understand why what?

Why Bilby is reduced to mind reading.

It's right there in my post.
Tom

What does that have to do with me? I didn't even read his post yet. How would you know if I'd read it at all? Right wing "discourse" is so full of convoluted goal shifting.

Perhaps radical feminists and other assorted Wokesters have beaten so much nonsense into your head that

Right wing authoritarian boogiemen* get more and more comical and cartoonish the more [removed] naarrow the range of "news" sources you allow yourselves to engage with.

you don't realize that it was your post that I was referring to when Bilby posted his rant.
Tom

Still doesn't have anything to do with me. Respond to bilby about things bilby has said and don't bring me into it.

*Refers to the cartoon enemies of the right wing ecosystem, i.e., "wokesters," "radical feminists," etc., not to right wingers themselves.

 

[Elixir]

Well … there’s the person, and then there’s “the people”, I.e. “ Right wing authoritarian boogiemen”.
If the foo shits …
Feel free to explain how it doesn’t, if you’re so inclined.

 

[blastula]

They were unarmed when police shot at them. Then LAPD pushed for weapons charges

In two recent LAPD shootings, the men who were fired at turned out to be unarmed, but were still detained on charges related to the incident.

www.latimes.com

 

[ZiprHead]

Police bodycam of homeless Army vet’s controversial arrest released

An attorney assisting the veteran hopes the release of the bodycam will push Gastonia police to take accountability for the incident.

www.armytimes.com

Police body camera footage showing the controversial October 2021 arrest of a homeless veteran in Gastonia, N.C., was released July 27, detailing the moments before the veteran was arrested and his service animal tased, ultimately leading to the dog’s death by a car.

Joshua Graham Rohrer, a Kentucky Army National Guard veteran who deployed to Kuwait and Iraq between 2004 and 2005, was with his 2-year-old Belgian Malinois service dog Sunshine Rae on Oct. 13 when he was approached by police officers responding to a 911 call regarding his panhandling, which is a crime in North Carolina.

What followed next was an arrest that the attorney who helped Rohrer fight for the release of the footage, Andrew LaBreche, called, “far worse than what Mr. Rohrer was able to hear and see on the scene.”

 

[atrib]

I was referring specifically to a post claiming that police culture overall is changing for the worse. That doesn't surprise me.
It's the obvious result of the other changes in society.
Tom

Police culture is NOT changing for the worse; if anything, it has been getting better with the introduction and widespread adoption of body worn cameras, and the fruits of such recordings being used to sue cops and their controlling government agencies for large sums of money when cops break the law. The police have ALWAYS been assholes, but these days, some of the smarter ones choose to temper their public displays of tyranny because of the widespread use of such recording systems.

Also something to be noted - the average patrol cop knows very little about the law - most agencies only require a GED followed by a 4 to 6 month stint at the academy for certification as law enforcement officers, which is an extremely low bar. The average patrol cop is unlikely to even be familiar with their own department's policies and procedures, as is evidenced by the vast numbers of YouTube videos showing cops behaving badly around private citizens.

 

[atrib]

Here is one example of ignorant cops committing crimes and falsely arresting a private citizen:

Cops discover four small marijuana plants growing on the overgrown lot of an abandoned church.
Cops trespass on nearby private property to interrogate residents. No warrant, no reasonable suspicion.
Resident happens to be retired Army police who knows his rights, and stands up for them.
Cops arrest resident without probable cause and transport him to jail.
Charges are dismissed.
Resident files federal suit against cops, the department and the county.

 

[atrib]

And another one from the same lawyer's channel:

Man finishes work at restaurant and waits on curb for dad to give him a ride home.
Cop approachs man and demands ID.
Man rightfully refuses, and tells cop that he has just finished work and is waiting for a ride.
Cop forces man to the ground, arrests him for "obstruction" and "disorderly conduct", and transports him to jail. No warrant, no probable cause that man has committed any crimes.
Charges are dropped.
Man files suit against cop and city.
Federal court strips the cop of Qualified Immunity and approves trial.

 

[Gospel]

It's a crime for law abiding citizens to not identify themselves in America. It's why "show your ID" should be added to the pledge of allegiance and replace In God We Trust on US currency.