Remember, Antifa only attacks fascists, right?

[Jolly_Penguin]

Except that, in an environment in which the target audience is "humans", that's a losing strategy. Humans love conflict and taking "sides". They eat up oppositional games like a dung beetle eats shit. And since the point is not to "tell the truth" but rather "attract viewers so as to sell advertisement time", the more lucrative and thus successful strategy is to sell a "side", particularly a "side" that doesn't strongly oppose "the side of the moneyed media".

I think there is very much a market for news that does its best to be objective and not take a side, especially with all the media that is so polarized and political.

 

[Jarhyn]

Except that, in an environment in which the target audience is "humans", that's a losing strategy. Humans love conflict and taking "sides". They eat up oppositional games like a dung beetle eats shit. And since the point is not to "tell the truth" but rather "attract viewers so as to sell advertisement time", the more lucrative and thus successful strategy is to sell a "side", particularly a "side" that doesn't strongly oppose "the side of the moneyed media".

I think there is very much a market for news that does its best to be objective and not take a side, especially with all the media that is so polarized and political.

No. There is a market for having the appearance of news that does it's best to be objective and not take a side from the perspective of consumers of some given side

Which is not the same as actual objective media.

Because the news is controlled by corporate actors, and the legal purpose of a corporation is to make money for their ownership.

 

[Worldtraveller]

All of the right wing right now:

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Two things can be bad at the same time. If the only thing about Antifa is that they were anti-fascist, there would be no controversy. Yet there is.

Pointing out the crimes of Antifa isn't the same as absolving their opponents.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Two things can be bad at the same time. If the only thing about Antifa is that they were anti-fascist, there would be no controversy. Yet there is.

Pointing out the crimes of Antifa isn't the same as absolving their opponents.

Bingo! Ding! Ding! Ding!

 

[Politesse]

Two things can be bad at the same time. If the only thing about Antifa is that they were anti-fascist, there would be no controversy. Yet there is.

Pointing out the crimes of Antifa isn't the same as absolving their opponents.

Unless you ONLY criticize Antifa, and don't do a damn thing about the rising tide of fascism.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Two things can be bad at the same time. If the only thing about Antifa is that they were anti-fascist, there would be no controversy. Yet there is.

Pointing out the crimes of Antifa isn't the same as absolving their opponents.

Unless you ONLY criticize Antifa, and don't do a damn thing about the rising tide of fascism.

IF that was all I did. Of course I don't define "fascism" as "slightly to the right of Bernie Sanders".

 

[Derec]

I wonder if Cellicia Hunt, aka "Florida woman", is Antifa...
Woman Tosses Molotov Cocktail Into South Florida Citizenship Office

 

[PyramidHead]

cEnTeR rIgHt GaY aSiAn JoUrNaLiSt

A note: Right-wing writer @MrAndyNgo is with the PP group the entire time as they plan out their attack. He smiles as they joke about being outnumbered. There's no way he couldn't know the group was planning on instigating violence against people at Cider Riot.

And the crown jewel, in which Andy claims antifa members assaulted someone with a hammer clearly being brandished by the right-wing chud on the bus



It is far past the point of there being any rational grounds to defend this man. He is an agent provocateur for fascists. Not a journalist.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

It is far past the point of there being any rational grounds to defend this man. He is an agent provocateur for fascists. Not a journalist.

Even if so, that's no excuse for assaulting him.

 

[PyramidHead]

It is far past the point of there being any rational grounds to defend this man. He is an agent provocateur for fascists. Not a journalist.

Even if so, that's no excuse for assaulting him.

It reveals him as a collaborator with the people who are plotting violence against minorities. Antifa defends the would-be victims of groups like Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys. Andy is their cheerleader, and should not expect to be on that side of the war without suffering any consequences.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

It is far past the point of there being any rational grounds to defend this man. He is an agent provocateur for fascists. Not a journalist.

It is never "past the point of there being any rational grounds to defend" an assault victim. Even if he were an agent provocateur, which he isn't, and wasn't a journalist, which he is, there is still have no grounds for assault and battery. Any rational, sane, and civilized person says "you don't go around assaulting people". Any rational, sane, and civilized person would condemn those who commit assault.

 

[Derec]

It reveals him as a collaborator with the people who are plotting violence against minorities. Antifa defends the would-be victims of groups like Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys. Andy is their cheerleader, and should not expect to be on that side of the war without suffering any consequences.

Stalin used the same excuse ...

 

[Bronzeage]

It's actually quite amusing to see conservatives wring their hands in anxiety over "left wing violence" and feign concern that such tactics will cause them to lose support. Get real.


The politics of this nation was built on left wing violence. Ask any Royal Tax collector who suffered 2nd degree burns after being tarred and feathered by a Boston mob.

The right seems to have gotten altogether too comfortable with the pacifist civil disobedience of Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King. Those guys were anomalies. The left has always had a violent element because the left has always lived with the threat of violence. Don't act so surprised when threats of violence are met with violence. Plus, always remember, violence is never well aimed.

 

[Angry Floof]

People of humane principles and decency have always fought back. It might take some time since violence is not our number one go-to reaction to every fucking thing like right wing authoritarian morons, whose perceptions of the world are rooted in fear of every fucking thing.

But we do fight back. History is chock full of "left wing violence" in the form of being pushed to that point by people whose only way of life is us vs. them violence, hatred, and fear, the U.S. Civil War and WWII as the most obvious examples to Americans of right wing authoritarians getting their asses beat. We will fight back and we will either win or no one will win. Authoritarian ideology is led and supported by people without conscience or humanity. As long as there is some fraction of humankind still alive, there will be those who will fight for what's right and not go along with power hungry, murderous cowards. Inhumane ideologies held by sociopaths and their obedience machines are not sustainable.

 

[marc]

Show

 

[Harry Bosch]

It's actually quite amusing to see conservatives wring their hands in anxiety over "left wing violence" and feign concern that such tactics will cause them to lose support. Get real.


The politics of this nation was built on left wing violence. Ask any Royal Tax collector who suffered 2nd degree burns after being tarred and feathered by a Boston mob.

The right seems to have gotten altogether too comfortable with the pacifist civil disobedience of Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King. Those guys were anomalies. The left has always had a violent element because the left has always lived with the threat of violence. Don't act so surprised when threats of violence are met with violence. Plus, always remember, violence is never well aimed.

Bronzeage: usually you are a lot more perceptive than this! Do you really think that conservatives are "wringing their hands" over Antifa? Antifia is giving the far right exactly what they want: an enemy to organize against. Antifia keeps right wing extremists in the spotlight.

 

[Angry Floof]

It's actually quite amusing to see conservatives wring their hands in anxiety over "left wing violence" and feign concern that such tactics will cause them to lose support. Get real.


The politics of this nation was built on left wing violence. Ask any Royal Tax collector who suffered 2nd degree burns after being tarred and feathered by a Boston mob.

The right seems to have gotten altogether too comfortable with the pacifist civil disobedience of Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King. Those guys were anomalies. The left has always had a violent element because the left has always lived with the threat of violence. Don't act so surprised when threats of violence are met with violence. Plus, always remember, violence is never well aimed.

Bronzeage: usually you are a lot more perceptive than this! Do you really think that conservatives are "wringing their hands" over Antifa? Antifia is giving the far right exactly what they want: an enemy to organize against. Antifia keeps right wing extremists in the spotlight.

It's still insignificant enough in comparison to right wing violence that it's downright delusional. Antifascists are no more the reason that violent right wing morons are in the spotlight than gays are the reason for hurricanes. Gay people don't put hate zealots in the spotlight. They put themselves there with their own batshittery. White supremacist violence is the scourge and threat that it is regardless of who or how many fight back.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

It's actually quite amusing to see conservatives wring their hands in anxiety over "left wing violence" and feign concern that such tactics will cause them to lose support. Get real.

I don't see conservatives in this thread. Also, don't forget, pointing out crimes of one side doesn't absolve or give approval to crimes of another side, which is why I've often compared Antifa and some of its opponents to the Crips and the Bloods.

The politics of this nation was built on left wing violence. Ask any Royal Tax collector who suffered 2nd degree burns after being tarred and feathered by a Boston mob.

You have an odd definition of "left wing" if you equate them to modern examples of "left wing". Today they'd be called libertarians, and you would call them conservatives because you refuse to tell the difference.

The right seems to have gotten altogether too comfortable with the pacifist civil disobedience of Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King. Those guys were anomalies. The left has always had a violent element because the left has always lived with the threat of violence. Don't act so surprised when threats of violence are met with violence. Plus, always remember, violence is never well aimed.

True, the Democratic Party has always had its paramilitary wing. In years past it was the KKK.

 

[Harry Bosch]

It's actually quite amusing to see conservatives wring their hands in anxiety over "left wing violence" and feign concern that such tactics will cause them to lose support. Get real.


The politics of this nation was built on left wing violence. Ask any Royal Tax collector who suffered 2nd degree burns after being tarred and feathered by a Boston mob.

The right seems to have gotten altogether too comfortable with the pacifist civil disobedience of Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King. Those guys were anomalies. The left has always had a violent element because the left has always lived with the threat of violence. Don't act so surprised when threats of violence are met with violence. Plus, always remember, violence is never well aimed.

Bronzeage: usually you are a lot more perceptive than this! Do you really think that conservatives are "wringing their hands" over Antifa? Antifia is giving the far right exactly what they want: an enemy to organize against. Antifia keeps right wing extremists in the spotlight.

It's still insignificant enough in comparison to right wing violence that it's downright delusional. Antifascists are no more the reason that violent right wing morons are in the spotlight than gays are the reason for hurricanes. Gay people don't put hate zealots in the spotlight. They put themselves there with their own batshittery. White supremacist violence is the scourge and threat that it is regardless of who or how many fight back.

You betcha! Right wing fanatics are extremely delusional! They believe that Antifa is a growing danger that must be confronted. They also believe that the earth is 7,000 years old, that brown skinned people are inferior, and that global warming is a Chinese conspiracy. That way to fight back against right wing extremists is to take away their air. The more they air their hateful platform to empty stadiums the more their support goes down.