The death of Tyre Nichols

[Politesse]

The police are trained professionals.

Kind of. That training can vary quite a lot in length, quality, and content, and in some cases their trainers directly encourage the kinds of practices and reactions that lead to violent escalation.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

The police are not civilian primary responders dedicated to the protection and service of the public. They are in the latter stages of becoming a fully militarized occupying force that sees the general population not as a citizenry but as either civilians, combatants, or collateral damage.

 

[Oleg]

The police are not civilian primary responders dedicated to the protection and service of the public. They are in the latter stages of becoming a fully militarized occupying force that sees the general population not as a citizenry but as either civilians, combatants, or collateral damage.

And they pull us over for having expired tags and broken tail lights. For those of us tired of paying the MAN for annual car registrations and forced to keep proper car maintenance, abolishing the police is the way to go. Also gonna up my collection of ghost guns.

 

[Patooka]

The police are not civilian primary responders dedicated to the protection and service of the public. They are in the latter stages of becoming a fully militarized occupying force that sees the general population not as a citizenry but as either civilians, combatants, or collateral damage.

Commander Adama on police state

Season 1 episode 2, at 28th minute mark.

www.youtube.com

And they pull us over for having expired tags and broken tail lights. For those of us tired of paying the MAN for annual car registrations and forced to keep proper car maintenance, abolishing the police is the way to go. Also gonna up my collection of ghost guns.

Daunte Knight thinks you left out a minor detail there. Just so we're clear, I'm all for the cops you fantasise about. I wish they were real too.

 

[Oleg]

Daunte Knight thinks you left out a minor detail there. Just so we're clear, I'm all for the cops you fantasise about. I wish they were real too.

Sam Hyde speaks on female cops

Sam Hyde speaks on female cops

www.youtube.com

 

[Patooka]

Daunte Knight thinks you left out a minor detail there. Just so we're clear, I'm all for the cops you fantasise about. I wish they were real too.

Sam Hyde speaks on female cops

Sam Hyde speaks on female cops

www.youtube.com

It's a complete surprise to me you watched Million Dollar Extreme. Doesn't change the point that you fetishize over Hollywood cops.

 

[TomC]

Chauvin acted out of malice and a desire to cause harm.

Have you got evidence of this?

I don't think you do. I think you're accepting the media accounts the way TSwizzle accepts the media accounts concerning Hunter Biden's laptop.

It matches your preconceived notions. You put on your ideological blinders. You think it's obvious.
Tom

 

[TomC]

I saw the video. That's my evidence. He looked extremely pleased with himself.

I saw the video where Nicholas Sandmann assaulted a Native American elder. He looked extremely pleased with himself.

That's my evidence.
Tom

 

[Toni]

I saw the video. That's my evidence. He looked extremely pleased with himself.

I saw the video where Nicholas Sandmann assaulted a Native American elder. He looked extremely pleased with himself.

That's my evidence.
Tom

Everyone lived to tell their side of the story in the Sandman incident. No one was in custody. No one died. No one committed a crime. No police were involved.

None of Sandman’s fellow students suggested to him that he was perhaps being disrespectful, much less causing the elder any physical harm.

 

[laughing dog]

I saw the video. That's my evidence. He looked extremely pleased with himself.

I saw the video where Nicholas Sandmann assaulted a Native American elder. He looked extremely pleased with himself.

That's my evidence.
Tom

Whenyou add 2 + 2 , do you get a headache?

 

[ZiprHead]

Opinion | ‘Bad Apples’ or Systemic Issues? (Published 2023)

From the police to academia, we often see what we want to see.

www.nytimes.com

I don't have access to this article but I'm told it discusses the numerous contradictory and unachievable orders to Mr. Nichols.

 

[Toni]

Opinion | ‘Bad Apples’ or Systemic Issues? (Published 2023)

From the police to academia, we often see what we want to see.

www.nytimes.com

I don't have access to this article but I'm told it discusses the numerous contradictory and unachievable orders to Mr. Nichols.

I have a subscription and am gifting the article below:

Opinion | ‘Bad Apples’ or Systemic Issues? (Published 2023)

From the police to academia, we often see what we want to see.

www.nytimes.com

Everyone should have access now.

 

[Elixir]

Thanks.
Weak sauce IMHO. "Bothsidesism" rationalized via ideal-straddling, and no practical observation outside of the fact that people seek bias confirmation, a fact long known to and acknowledged by anyone and everyone with one shred of introspective ability.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Thanks.
Weak sauce IMHO. "Bothsidesism" rationalized via ideal-straddling, and no practical observation outside of the fact that people seek bias confirmation, a fact long known to and acknowledged by anyone and everyone with one shred of introspective ability.

Agreed, fully! That is what I've been saying all along!

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

'They were his best shot. And they failed to help': Why did EMS workers neglect Tyre Nichols?

For 19 minutes, EMS workers took no action to help Tyre Nichols. His death points to longstanding issues of bias in emergency medicine.

www.statnews.com

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

'They were his best shot. And they failed to help': Why did EMS workers neglect Tyre Nichols?

For 19 minutes, EMS workers took no action to help Tyre Nichols. His death points to longstanding issues of bias in emergency medicine.

www.statnews.com

This sounds familiar to the Georgia case, where the officers were on site, helping the killers to relax and not even attending to the murder victim. Tamir Rice's sister was put in the back of a police car while his brother died (that case, maybe first aid couldn't have helped, but we certainly know it wasn't even attempted until others (FBI?) showed up). And this is the bias thing again, where a victim of police (or police adjacent) violence is presumed to be guilty.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

... this is the bias thing again, where a victim of police (or police adjacent) violence is presumed to be guilty.

That seems pretty believable to me. Criminals often come up with excuses and are dishonest about health issues once arrested/in custody. So, when police are dealing with anyone and seem to project they dealt with such a person, people will tend to believe it on their authority. Race could also play a factor in multiple levels of trust/assumptions/factors contributing into inferences. I think EMTs ought to be more duty-driven and objective.

 

[Toni]

... this is the bias thing again, where a victim of police (or police adjacent) violence is presumed to be guilty.

That seems pretty believable to me. Criminals often come up with excuses and are dishonest about health issues once arrested/in custody. So, when police are dealing with anyone and seem to project they dealt with such a person, people will tend to believe it on their authority. Race could also play a factor in multiple levels of trust/assumptions/factors contributing into inferences. I think EMTs ought to be more duty-driven and objective.

The lack of assistance by the EMTs I found particularly stunning.

 

[IIDB Staff]

A lot of derailing posts about the Floyd/Chauvin incident have been moved to the appropriate thread. Derails are against the TOU.

There are other derails going on in this thread also. Do not participate in those. They need to stop now. You are being warned that you may be putting your access to the forum in jeopardy.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]