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The evidence strongly suggests it's the Republicans who are trying to rig the election!

Last week, Trump warned anyone who takes part in election fraud that their punishment will be dire: 'Those involved in unscrupulous behavior will be sought out, caught, and punished at levels never before seen in our Country.'
It seems to me that he is threatening self-harm. Does anyone else see this is in his statement?
It seems all the more alarming because he has recently been verbalizing his fears about such things as pet-eating in Ohio and transgender surgery (apparently) being performed by school nurses in public schools. These statements have been repeated in many settings and noted by concerned onlookers.
I do not wish to be an alarmist.
Should this be reported to, say, the Palm Beach police for followup?
How would we feel if this man gave us these broad hints and then actually harmed himself?
 
Elixir said:
Tigers! said:
Or will what was done in 2020 be left as it is?
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What was “done in 2020”?

We had an election. Trump lost BIGLY.
He tried to overthrow the government to change the result. He’s under indictment for trying that, and Joe Biden, who won the election, is still President.

So, what exactly are you asking about?

What is being done to try to prevent allegations of voter fraud (real or imagined)?
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NOTHING.
It remains the voter’s responsibility to differentiate allegations from evidence.
If too many are too stupid to do that, we deserve what we get.
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Unfortunately we cannot help you about that.
Elixir said:
We’re not interested establishing truth police; Americans are free to make allegations, lie, distort and deceive to their hearts’ content.
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If that be true why do and others on these fora spend/waste so much time complaining about it?
Elixir said:
Are Australians often arrested for lying?
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Not enough are.
 
Elixir said:
bilby said:
Elixir said:
Americans are free to make allegations, lie, distort and deceive to their hearts’ content.
Are Australians often arrested for lying?
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We don't have allegators here, we have crocodiles.
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So, if you say something that is a crock, can you be arrested?
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Probably:
bilby said:
I was just reading an article about the state government's new laws regarding human interactions with crocodiles.

My favourite line is:

The government has also made it an offence to knowingly stay close to a crocodile on land, with an on-the-spot fine of $806 or a maximum court-imposed penalty of $16,130.
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They seem to have forgotten:

...or a maximum crocodile-imposed penalty of death.
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How can it be an offence (sp) to knowingly stay close to a crocodile on land, with an on-the-spot fine? Wouldn’t they have to violate the same law to get you, if the spot you are on is too close to a crocodile? Can you leave “the spot” you were on, and instantly have immunity from the fine? Or tell them to leave the ticket on “the spot” next to the croc, as required by law?
Also - ok if you’re in water? How much water? A meter? A centimeter? How about if you’re just fairly wet?
Also II: why crocodiles? Everything else can kill you just as easy in Australia, so it doesn’t seem fair.
 
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Elixir said:
How can it be an offence (sp) to knowingly stay close to a crocodile on land, with an on-the-spot fine?
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Well, it could be worse.

bilby said:
... if you do get eaten, you are probably also guilty of this new offence:

Under the reforms, which have already come into effect, it will be illegal to "unintentionally" feed a crocodile...
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Ok, crocs and gators aside, I am sure Republicans are casting an interested eye Venezuela’s way. Apparently the opposition won, but Madura had trumpified the election officials so badly that they declared him the winner regardless of the vote.
This is exactly what they’re planning now that they’re sure their apricot is rotting on the vine. They’ll throw it to the States if they can.
 
Elixir said:
Ok, crocs and gators aside, I am sure Republicans are casting an interested eye Venezuela’s way. Apparently the opposition won, but Madura had trumpified the election officials so badly that they declared him the winner regardless of the vote.
This is exactly what they’re planning now that they’re sure their apricot is rotting on the vine. They’ll throw it to the States if they can.
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Are you saying that the Left (Madura) does behave in the way you claim the Right (Trump) will if he wins the election?
 
Tigers! said:
Elixir said:
Ok, crocs and gators aside, I am sure Republicans are casting an interested eye Venezuela’s way. Apparently the opposition won, but Madura had trumpified the election officials so badly that they declared him the winner regardless of the vote.
This is exactly what they’re planning now that they’re sure their apricot is rotting on the vine. They’ll throw it to the States if they can.
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Are you saying that the Left (Madura) does behave in the way you claim the Right (Trump) will if he wins the election?
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To Americans, Left and Right are rural aesthetics more so than political convictions. We can and have thrown our weight behind foreign dictators of every political stripe.
 
Here's more attempts at voter suppression the Republicans are up to. It's a long article that I'm sharing, so please read it or most of it, assuming y'all can read. ;)

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/15/...e_code=1.K04.g7fl.HqGjyiVHhIih&smid=url-share

Helen Strahl stood at the front of a conference room in Savannah, Ga., last month and looked out at her audience, the evolving face of election denialism in 2024. There were no armed militia groups in attendance, no would-be revolutionaries dressed in capes and horns. The crowd was mostly made up of retirees and professional women, including some who wore glasses and T-shirts that read: “Got data?”

They called themselves the Georgia Nerds, and their volunteer group had spent the last several months challenging voter rolls and expressing skepticism about the upcoming presidential election before either candidate received a single vote.

“Can everybody hear me in the back?” asked Strahl, 65. A few people shook their heads, so she tried again.

“I’ll speak up. Can you hear me now?”

A longtime compliance officer, Strahl had found her political voice during the last few years by taking advantage of a new Georgia law that allows private citizens to file mass challenges against other people’s eligibility to vote. She has legally challenged more than a thousand voters in Chatham County during the past 18 months, quietly reshaping the electorate in a crucial stretch of coastal Georgia and amplifying conspiracy theories about widespread voter fraud. She wrote to elections officials to question the eligibility of seasonal workers who moved temporarily out of state, homeless residents who didn’t have a proper address and almost 700 students or former students who were registered to vote at Savannah State University, one of the country’s oldest historically Black colleges.
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It has become a popular tactic during a campaign season that has sometimes turned into a race between pro-democracy groups that try to register a historic number of voters and election deniers who try to inhibit registration drives and remove tens of thousands of people from the rolls. More than 40 states now allow for some type of voter challenges, and Donald Trump’s campaign has encouraged activists to focus on the voter rolls in a relatively small number of liberal counties that could swing the election.

In Pittsburgh, a Trump supporter has challenged more than 25,000 people based mostly on change-of-address data, creating confusion among voters. In Detroit, teams of “election security” volunteers go door to door to verify people’s addresses and then file challenges based on what they find. An election-monitoring organization called True the Vote, which promoted conspiracy theories after the 2020 election, has armed its volunteers with a web-based app that allows them to “identify ineligible records and report findings.” The group says it has resulted in the filing of more than 640,000 challenges across 1,322 counties.

But few activists have been as prolific as Strahl, who has won hundreds of challenges and left a trail of chaos in her wake: overwhelmed election officials who ran out of envelopes to respond to her challenges; confused voters who aren’t sure if they are eligible; enraged voting rights activists who allege voter suppression and intimidation, even as Strahl signs each of her emails with “respectfully” and thanks election officials at county board meetings for their work.
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There's a lot more interesting information in the article. More evident that it's the Republicans who are trying to rig the election.
 
Politesse said:
To Americans, Left and Right are rural aesthetics more so than political convictions. We can and have thrown our weight behind foreign dictators of every political stripe.
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Can we acknowledge that fact and still try to move toward democracy, or just set our hair on fire?
We will not see social, racial, gender, religious or economic equity, any time soon. Let us despair.
But then get to work.
That includes doing things you might not want to do, like voting for a suboptimal candidate in order to avoid a decades long - or permanent - setback.
 
Elixir said:
That includes doing things you might not want to do, like voting for a suboptimal candidate in order to avoid a decades long - or permanent - setback.
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One of the curses of democracy.
Your vote is precious yet are given candidates that are not worth your vote.
 
Tigers! said:
Elixir said:
That includes doing things you might not want to do, like voting for a suboptimal candidate in order to avoid a decades long - or permanent - setback.
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One of the curses of democracy.
Your vote is precious yet are given candidates that are not worth your vote.
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It is a bit strange, how the whole compendium of precious worthless votes is what enables democracies to persist, and ideally gives them direction.
We have long outgrown the electoral college system and continue down the road of outgrowing our system of government in general. As the population grows, regardless of demographics, the percentage of the electorate that is actually represented goes down. And that is just one unavoidable factor. The system was designed for the benefit of people like Mitt Romney, John Kennedy and Donald Trump, with people like Mitt Romney, John Kennedy and Donald Trump assigned as temporary benign leaders, seeing after the welfare of of people like Mitt Romney, George Bushes, John Kennedy and Donald Trump.
But then we went and did away with slavery, at least officially. And lo, that has wrought a bit of change. The basic systemic priorities have changed little though. The notion that you too can be a Mitt Romney, John Kennedy or Donald Trump has been sold to a lot of people who look nothing like them, but have votes. Many are perfectly content to leave such people in power while daydreaming that their "representatives" are troothin' them and doing whatever any good ol boy would be doing. So they can continue their inexorable journey toward being someone who inherited a half billion dollars. (or at least live as one vicariously)
 
Tigers! said:
Elixir said:
That includes doing things you might not want to do, like voting for a suboptimal candidate in order to avoid a decades long - or permanent - setback.
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One of the curses of democracy.
Your vote is precious yet are given candidates that are not worth your vote.
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“Given”?? These candidates are being voted in, not given by some higher power. Trump is the Republican candidate because Republican voters want him to be.

Maybe you have an argument in Harris’ case, though she was already on the ticket being voted for in the primaries.
 
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